Monk rework thoughts

Monk rework thoughts
Hello everyone, I'm happy to post my first thread on FFXIV forums I hope I learn something new from you guys with your ideas, and I also hope that at least some of our thoughts might reach SE developers. Have fun.

Monk rework:
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Fists (each shares a recast time of 1 second):
FoF:
-increases damage by 5%. (removing the 10% increase from the trait)

FoW:
-requires a trait. I'll call it "Like the Wind." Like the Wind: build stacks up to 100 (2 stacks per 1y) while in combat regardless of current Fists. While in FoW, spend 10 stacks to increase next GCD potency by 20.
-additional movement speed increase.

FoE:
-reduces damage taken by 10%.
-ignore positional req. (reduce positional bonuses by 50%).

Elemental Kick (changes depending on current Fists):

Blaze Kick (new):
-available when FoF is active.
-potency: 500
-recast: 10 sec.

Tornado Kick:
-available when FoW is active.
-potency: 300 (800 if player used the full 100 stacks from "Like the Wind" trait)
-recast: 10 sec.

Fissure Kick (new):
-available when FoE is active.
-potency: 300 + (2x damage taken while Earth's Reply is active - damage taken that triggers Earth's Reply is counted)
-recast: 10 sec.
-additional effect: if the player takes damage, gain Earth's Reply.
-duration: 5 seconds.

Mantra (changes depending on current Fists):
-HP recovery increases by 5% instead of 10%.
-additional effect based on current Fists:
If FoF: grants lifesteal to nearby party members by 5%.
If FoW: grants increased movement speed to nearby party members.
If FoE: decrease damage taken by nearby party members by 5%.
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Greased Lightning:
-maximum of 3 GL stacks (4th stack bonus divided equally among the 3).

Six- sided Star:
-granted when 3th GL stack is kept for 60 seconds. (timer starts when 3th GL is up)
-potency: 1,000
-doesn't share recast time with other weapon skills.

Anatman:
-channeling for 2 seconds will grant 3th GL stack.

Form Shift:
-resets GL timer upon execution and adds one stack.
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Forms:
Opo-opo: same.
Raptor: opens a chakra.
Coeurl: same.
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Chakra:
-Forbidden Chakra potency: 350 instead of 370.
-remove Deep Meditation I & II traits.
-filling chakra stacks (5 stacks) increases critical and direct hit rates by 5% each.
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Brotherhood:
-Brotherhood effect: 5% damage increase (affects all damage types).
-Meditative Brotherhood removed.
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Riddle of Fire:
-rename

Riddle of Earth:
-remove
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If you guys have any thoughts please let me know. Thanks all in advance.

Just going down the line.

GL 4 being a trait and stance independent is fine and better than it's current implementation.

The Fist changes still doesn't solve the basic problem with the fist stances that have existed forever. There's still going to be one dominant stance that deals the most damage. Plus not being able to change stances mid fight takes away Monk's unique defensive option and it's ability to mitigate damage from lost stacks. Earth stance will now be more useless than ever because we won't even be able to switch into it for spot saves, we'll only ever want to use Fire or Wind based on which is optimal for damage.

The form changes don't solve many of the inherent problems that exist. Leaden Fist/current Dragon Kick keeps there being a single disproportionate positional, Raptor Form skills granting a Chakra is an improvement on pure RNG but you've kept Deep Meditation 1 which should be scrapped entirely.

Anatman as a utility Cooldown at 6 minutes is absurd especially when it's interruptible by needing to move.

Tornado Kick is an improvement I've suggested in the past so I don't mind it.

Six Sided Star's new effect means we'd be using it basically every 10-12 seconds, which really removes the impact that the skill should have.

Form Shift would be a fine thing to implement now, it would functionally just make Monk less spammy in downtime.

The Mantra effect, by tying party offensive buffs to Healing/Support utility ensures that the support utility will never be used. The Fists of Wind effect being a haste to other party members will annoy people who rely on rigid GCD strings for buff alignment such as Samurai and Dragoon. The Earth effect will be useless because Earth will no longer be used. This basically makes Mantra less useful as party support in exchange for an unnecessary extra input for our Burst window.

Brotherhood along with the previously mentioned problem, doesn't solve the issues with Composition dependency and the RNG ensuring that the skill basically is never satisfying to use. You'll still either whiff or inevitably experience periods of Chakra overflow due to the nature of the gauge.

Tl;dr: There's some decent ideas in there but broadly this causes more problems than it fixes.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

The Fist changes still doesn't solve the basic problem with the fist stances that have existed forever. There's still going to be one dominant stance that deals the most damage. Plus not being able to change stances mid fight takes away Monk's unique defensive option and it's ability to mitigate damage from lost stacks. Earth stance will now be more useless than ever because we won't even be able to switch into it for spot saves, we'll only ever want to use Fire or Wind based on which is optimal for damage.

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Fists of Earth doesn't just give 10% reduced damage but ignores positional requirements with reduced positional bonuses as I mentioned. So, it might be competing with FoF and FoW in terms of dps output. Also, I mentioned an adjustment to Riddle of Earth ability which will grant other Fists bonuses, so changing between Fists might be neglected.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

The form changes don't solve many of the inherent problems that exist. Leaden Fist/current Dragon Kick keeps there being a single disproportionate positional, Raptor Form skills granting a Chakra is an improvement on pure RNG but you've kept Deep Meditation 1 which should be scrapped entirely.

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I thought that by just removing Deep Meditation II and reducing FC potency is enough to balance it with the new raptor bonus.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

Anatman as a utility Cooldown at 6 minutes is absurd especially when it's interruptible by needing to move.

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Anatman currently is rarely used during boss fights except in opener and between phases, so I don't think it is too much when you count the rewards (after 3 seconds, you are ready to punch!). Also, since i fixed Form Shift, you really don't need Anatman for GL timer reset. But yeah, I think reducing recast time would be better. btw, 300 sec. = 5 minutes XD

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

Six Sided Star's new effect means we'd be using it basically every 10-12 seconds, which really removes the impact that the skill should have.

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The skill as of now is trash imo. Level 80 ability which ruins your rotation flow is not a good ability for monk even if you use it before boss leaves, the dps gain from this ability is almost nothing. That is why I thought about rebuilding it.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

The Mantra effect, by tying party offensive buffs to Healing/Support utility ensures that the support utility will never be used. The Fists of Wind effect being a haste to other party members will annoy people who rely on rigid GCD strings for buff alignment such as Samurai and Dragoon. The Earth effect will be useless because Earth will no longer be used. This basically makes Mantra less useful as party support in exchange for an unnecessary extra input for our Burst window.

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That's a good point. Maybe leaving Mantra as it is as well as Brotherhood except changing Brotherhood effect from physical damage to all damage types.

Thanks for your reply :)

Counter/follow-up suggestions, mostly in theme with what you're suggesting here rather than my own preferences:

• Don't add GL4. It just makes GL more punishing as a mechanic, costing us a vital PB GCD or forcing a tick of Anatman, in our ramp-up. It also siphons away from your throughput budget that could otherwise go towards diversifying your Fists (with individual potencies thereafter being adjusted to compensate).
  If you must, just increase the per-stack value of GL by 33% at level 76, which amounts to exactly the same capacity, but without the added clunk.
  
  
• Give GL itself a Movement Speed-affecting component. That serves to make GL itself more thematically satisfying and to ease positioning for those not in Fists of Wind.
  
  
• Perhaps even level out GL's Damage, Attack Speed, and Movement Speed bonuses to the same 5% per stack. Adjust individual potencies to compensate (TK being adjusted differently, obviously). That leaves them plenty significant, but offers further cohesion.
  
  
• Give FoW an oGCD-affecting component. This could be nearly anything, from a "rush" mechanic to something ripped off Enhanced Infuriate, so long as it still allows for oGCDs to be synced to raid (de)buffs.
  
  
• If you don't go full power on GL, diversify your fists further, and give Earth a real damage mechanic attached to its mitigation (e.g. your oGCDs provide temporary, rapidly-fading armor at a portion of damage dealt; damage thus absorbed temporarily increases your Attack Power, making it competitive in certain fights).
  
  
• Keep the Mantra effects purely defensive, as not to force Fists of Fire in all 8-man content, such as by adding Movement Speed via Wind, Lifesteal via Fire, and Mitigation via Earth. Feel free to leave that part out of Brotherhood out of the power budget if you like, though, in favor of more personal/direct contribution.

Questions:

• Why go to all this trouble on SSS to make it a Shoha instead of SSS when you can just buff it nearer to the average ppgcd and it'd already see a fair bit of use, especially if you put more of Monk's power budget into its general power CD(s), be that Riddle of Fists, Internal Release, or both? Heck, even just 520 potency would see it used by mid-SkS Monks in your FoF.

Grumbles:

• Mutter mutter Form Shift still resetting GL like some kind of mock mechanic instead of any attempt to balance TK or LF and give us back more frequent GL generators mutter mutter.

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Originally Posted by hballamco

Fists of Earth doesn't just give 10% reduced damage but ignores positional requirements with reduced positional bonuses as I mentioned. So, it might be competing with FoF and FoW in terms of dps output. Also, I mentioned an adjustment to Riddle of Earth ability which will grant other Fists bonuses, so changing between Fists might be neglected.

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It wouldn't at all, positionals aren't so difficult that people miss them even 50% of the time in even the most difficult content, and the goal of DPS maximization will ultimately land you in FoF or FoW.

I'd also say asking for changes to the Fist Stances is pointless and they should just be turned into traits. People have asked for the Fist Stances to have new traits or effects for two expansions and all we've gotten is brilliant traits like 4.0 Tackle Mastery, Enhanced Riddle of Fire, and GL4 tied to Fists of Wind. Maybe we'd get an interesting new trait that allows for some feeling of advancement if the devs focused on an aspect of the job they demonstrably can't make into anything but button bloat.

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I thought that by just removing Deep Meditation II and reducing FC potency is enough to balance it with the new raptor bonus.

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The problem with the RNG isn't balance or even ouput, it's the existence of the RNG itself. The Monk playerbase has been dissatisfied with the RNG aspects since they were introduced in stormblood, it's incredibly unsatisfying on most jobs that employ it in my opinion. Raptor Form Chakras allows for consistent output which is good, and that alone is better than RNG on its own, or even coupled with RNG.

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Anatman currently is rarely used during boss fights except in opener and between phases, so I don't think it is too much when you count the rewards (after 3 seconds, you are ready to punch!). Also, since i fixed Form Shift, you really don't need Anatman for GL timer reset. But yeah, I think reducing recast time would be better. btw, 300 sec. = 5 minutes XD

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Yes, and 5 minutes is substantially too long. If you want Anatman to be good for recovery it has to be actually be available for use, at a 5 minute timer it's actually worse than Perfect Balances original 4 minute timer in that regard. Having to channel it also just makes it worse than Blood of the Dragon or Enochian which are just buttons for granting a buff identical in purpose to GL.

Plus if Tornado Kick no longer burns stacks then a powerful recovery skill doesn't automatically introduce excess potency.

Thanks for your generous reply.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Don't add GL4. It just makes GL more punishing as a mechanic, costing us a vital PB GCD or forcing a tick of Anatman, in our ramp-up. It also siphons away from your throughput budget that could otherwise go towards diversifying your Fists (with individual potencies thereafter being adjusted to compensate).
If you must, just increase the per-stack value of GL by 33% at level 76, which amounts to exactly the same capacity, but without the added clunk.

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This is indeed a brilliant idea considering the work to bring all 4 GL stacks after losing them. 3 GL stacks would make the monk blend in the fight faster which is not the case currently imo.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Keep the Mantra effects purely defensive, as not to force Fists of Fire in all 8-man content, such as by adding Movement Speed via Wind, Lifesteal via Fire, and Mitigation via Earth. Feel free to leave that part out of Brotherhood out of the power budget if you like, though, in favor of more personal/direct contribution.

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True, just @SpeckledBurd mentioned, diverging Mantra's effects would cause confusion in fights as to whether to use it for healing or damage.

Thanks again.

Thanks to SpeckledBurd and Shurrikhan for their valuable feedback. I've refined the rework. Please let me know about new adjustments.

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Originally Posted by hballamco

Thanks to SpeckledBurd and Shurrikhan for their valuable feedback. I've refined the rework. Please let me know about new adjustments.

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• FoF still feels relatively forced across high-per-execute-potency Weaponskills and any globals with a damaging Ability. Given how frequent those are, I suspect most Monks will want to merely stay in FoF 24/7. FoW also cannot be used consistently for alternative rotation loops at transitional SkS thresholds because Leaden Fist does not consistently align with Demolish. I'd again recommend adding an oGCD-affecting component to FoW -- ideally a fun one.
• I don't understand the purpose of the "(500 if player lands 12 direct hits while this ability is ready)" clause on Tornado Kick and Blaze Kick. Moreover, I'd prefer to see the two kicks differentiated. Your Fissure Kick will likely be useless or obligatory.
• I'm still not sold on SSS being a Shoha-knockoff.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

• FoF still feels relatively forced across high-per-execute-potency Weaponskills and any globals with a damaging Ability. Given how frequent those are, I suspect most Monks will want to merely stay in FoF 24/7. FoW also cannot be used consistently for alternative rotation loops at transitional SkS thresholds because Leaden Fist does not consistently align with Demolish. I'd again recommend adding an oGCD-affecting component to FoW -- ideally a fun one.
• I don't understand the purpose of the "(500 if player lands 12 direct hits while this ability is ready)" clause on Tornado Kick and Blaze Kick. Moreover, I'd prefer to see the two kicks differentiated. Your Fissure Kick will likely be useless or obligatory.
• I'm still not sold on SSS being a Shoha-knockoff.

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Hey Shurrikhan, that's true, I don't think someone would trade FoW current bonus for SkS interruption. So, I'm thinking of adding 5% crit. hit bonus to FoW instead of haste. What do you think? As for Blaze and Tornado kicks, my concept is to give a player the feel of challenge that might affect his/her sub-stats build instead of pure potency ability although I do think there is something better to do with them. I think Fissure Kick would be extremely powerful if you think about raid-wide AoEs (E5s > Judgment Volts, E6s > Infernal Howl, E7s > Empty Wave, etc.). Thus, a player would technically plan to switch to FoE just before an AoE and cast Fissure Kick then switch back to whatever he likes or maybe stay. For SSS, my brain was squeezed too much to come up with this result XD any suggestions?

Thanks a lot.

Does anyone else find it odd that the community can come up with such in depth analysis of the job, with insightful reworks (usually just as one person), but an entire companies worth of employees cant seem to even do anything meaningful with the jobs abilities or additions?

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Does anyone else find it odd that the community can come up with such in depth analysis of the job, with insightful reworks (usually just as one person), but an entire companies worth of employees cant seem to even do anything meaningful with the jobs abilities or additions?

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When thinking about MNK, this is something that eventually comes across my mind. And I think I can only describe how SE treats it as two things:
1. They're too married to how monk is now and are too stubborn to change it.
2. They genuinely don't know what to do with the job for whatever reason, despite having years of feedback to work off of and quite literally endless amounts of inspiration to design a fist fighting job, especially from their own games.

I lied, there's a third reason being that they don't care. But I really don't want to believe that.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

When thinking about MNK, this is something that eventually comes across my mind. And I think I can only describe how SE treats it as two things:
1. They're too married to how monk is now and are too stubborn to change it.
2. They genuinely don't know what to do with the job for whatever reason, despite having years of feedback to work off of and quite literally endless amounts of inspiration to design a fist fighting job, especially from their own games.

I lied, there's a third reason being that they don't care. But I really don't want to believe that.

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4. What one person or one small group of people like, doesn't mean everyone at large will like.
5. Text design doesn't often translate to game-feel.
6. It's very bad precedent to source your changes from specific users.

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Originally Posted by hballamco

Hey Shurrikhan, that's true, I don't think someone would trade FoW current bonus for SkS interruption. So, I'm thinking of adding 5% crit. hit bonus to FoW instead of haste. What do you think? As for Blaze and Tornado kicks, my concept is to give a player the feel of challenge that might affect his/her sub-stats build instead of pure potency ability although I do think there is something better to do with them. I think Fissure Kick would be extremely powerful if you think about raid-wide AoEs (E5s > Judgment Volts, E6s > Infernal Howl, E7s > Empty Wave, etc.). Thus, a player would technically plan to switch to FoE just before an AoE and cast Fissure Kick then switch back to whatever he likes or maybe stay. For SSS, my brain was squeezed too much to come up with this result XD any suggestions?

Thanks a lot.

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Using Crit is far worse than Haste, for two reasons:

1. It only adds 40-60% bonus damage relative to the percent revealed, as compared to ~84-93%.
2. Its value varies with crit chance buffs present.

Even if you had balanced it, though, it'd be worthless: you'd merely be applying Damage in Fire or Effectively Just Damage in Wind.

The whole point of stances is generally capacity variance that permit gameplay changes. Haste provides that through alternative rotations and Chakra banking. Earth can provide that by increasing how late and/or minimally one can move out of proximity-based AoEs. Fire, depending on tuning, would be the main stay from which you generally swap to Wind for about 40% of the time one Demolish string, and 60% the next string except where abilities are ready to be spent within the stances' shared cooldown. That's not to say that each of those capacities, and therefore opportunities, haven't been continually lackluster thus far, but there is at least an obvious concept to them that can be expanded upon. But if they're not going to amount to either gameplay or newfound unique capacities there's no point in designing a stance system at all.

My issue with your Tornado and Blaze kicks, besides their being identical and thus Tornado Kick is relative garbage for lack of a damage modifier, is that they again force Monk towards Crit. Wasn't the whole point of the Chakra change to eliminate that?

I'd offer some suggestions, but for now there's too little here to get a clear picture of the design direction you specifically want to go for, leaving any potential suggestions... haphazard/arbitrary.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Does anyone else find it odd that the community can come up with such in depth analysis of the job, with insightful reworks (usually just as one person), but an entire companies worth of employees cant seem to even do anything meaningful with the jobs abilities or additions?

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To be fair, as soon as we get a truly in depth analysis or suggestion list, it's avoided like plague-gerbils.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'd offer some suggestions, but for now there's too little here to get a clear picture of the design direction you specifically want to go for, leaving any potential suggestions... haphazard/arbitrary.

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Now I see your point. Based on your feedback, it would be logical to give FoF the priority over the other two while letting the secondary Fists shine at certain circumstances. FoE in my opinion, is good so far. FoW on the other hand, need to be valuable at some point which I'm not sure how to achieve that.

However, there is an idea which I'm fond of that came across my mind when thinking of a bonus to the FoW instead of the current haste or critical hit bonuses that could attract the player to activate it:

-This bonus requires a trait. I will call it "Like the Wind." Like the Wind: while moving, build stacks up to 100 (2 stacks per 1y).
It activates during combat regardless of the current Fists. While FoW is active, spend 10 stacks of "Like the Wind" to increase next GCD potency by 20 (meaning that 10 GCDs will get the bonus if stacks are at 100). That is in addition to the increase of the movement speed ofc. Hence, the player may stay in FoF while "Like the Wind" is building. Once stacks reaches 100, the player can change for the extra damage and then back to FoF.

As for the design, that is indeed a good question. I will state my logic as follows:

1-Fists, currently, has lost identity in my opinion (I have not used FoE since I learned FoF, and that is a total waste). I believe they are the core of the MNK's job and what shapes it. So far, FoF is the primary choice which is great yet I would like to see the other two stand as well and give some valuable gifts during different encounters.

2-In addition to let the Fists stand, giving each of them a unique Kick ability would make different aspects of the job blend nicely. (current Tornado Kick is a sub ability for sure which is not supposed to be as a level 60 ability) However and as you know, I'm still thinking of refining the Kicks potency bonuses.

3-Forms are also another signature of the MNK, yet one of them is nothing but a name. (hello raptor) So I decided to implement the chakra opening once a GCD with raptor form gets executed.

4-Chakras generation are currently chaotic. I do sometime use Boot Shine while The Forbidden Chakra is available which popped up just at the moment I pressed Boot Shine thus wasting a chance of opening a chakra. For that, I decided to remove the RNGs and added the chakra opening to the raptor GCDs.

5-Mantra, in my opinion, is less flashy or I should say simple. So I added some spices based on the activated Fists (another blending stuff) while decreasing the healing percentage.

6-GL stacks are now much obvious to control, whether to build or maintain them.

Thanks for your reply. (btw, the quote is short because of character limitation)

I feel like FoF, FoW and FoE should become temporary buffs that interact with MP like they used to in 1.2. I don't like how melee have a resource that isn't interacted with it at all, especially when lore-wise we are using our aether in some fashion on every job.

• FoF could increase DPS by a % while draining 50% of your MP.
• FoE could ignore positionals and increase chakra gain rate while draining 50% of your MP.
• FoW could refresh Greased Lightning with the 4th stack, increase movement speed, and recover MP (either 100% over the duration, or 50% and separately allow MP to recover by 10% every time a chakra is opened).

Give each of them an equal duration and 3x recast so you have one up at all times. This could give MNK the feeling of fast mode and strong mode by losing that 4th stack of GL for a period of time. I liked the concept of that in SB but negating GL completely just felt slow and bad, gaining and losing 1 stack feels like a good compromise.

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Originally Posted by hballamco

However, there is an idea which I'm fond of that came across my mind when thinking of a bonus to the FoW instead of the current haste or critical hit bonuses that could attract the player to activate it:

-This bonus requires a trait. I will call it "Like the Wind." Like the Wind: while moving, build stacks up to 100 (2 stacks per 1y).
It activates during combat regardless of the current Fists. While FoW is active, spend 10 stacks of "Like the Wind" to increase next GCD potency by 20 (meaning that 10 GCDs will get the bonus if stacks are at 100). That is in addition to the increase of the movement speed ofc. Hence, the player may stay in FoF while "Like the Wind" is building. Once stacks reaches 100, the player can change for the extra damage and then back to FoF.

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Sorry, I won't be able to respond to everything right now; I may do more on edit later.

One could argue that in such a case there is little point in having an FoF, and that we should instead instead add a compromise component to FoW/FoE or have them consume gauge while FoF be just... no stance at all. Of course, we could say the same for the present situation. Nonetheless, I'm glad you're considering them in new ways.

You can kind of consider what you're moving towards as what's called "back-loaded" or "back-end(ed)" effect, whereas immediate Damage and Mitigation bonuses would be called "fully dynamic", and Haste "to-GCD dynamic". (For comparison, the current FoW, in the form of GL4, is a "to-GCD dynamic" effect with "windowed/limited access" since one can only enter it on a Coeurl skill.)

You could, for instance, go entirely back-ended, generating something over time, from attacks dealt, potency dealt, relative potency dealt, or any combination thereof, such as by having Fire generate Attack Power (affects all sources of potency, including even Second Wind), Wind generate Skill Speed (AAs, GCDs, and DoTs a bit further), and Earth generate (Magic) Defense, each of which fades over time. The problem is two-fold: (1) an back-ended Defense buff is going to feel useless or entrapping until one has a fight fully memorized AND somehow needs the added mitigation AND can get more out of sacrificing damage during the time prior to proximity AoE than by moving that little bit further away (unless of course there's a damage component to FoE as well), and (2) it's just far less intuitive and harder to track.

A logical alternative, then, would be to build something generalistic, and then have them spend from that same resource pool for their (additional) effects. In that way there's no sense of entrapment. Swapping to FoE before a big hit will consume just enough resource to keep you alive -- no more, no less -- while FoF may consume resource based on potency dealt (its damage bonus refunding an increasing part of that resource cost as not to make its value even across all GCDs), FoW per strike, etc.

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

I feel like FoF, FoW and FoE should become temporary buffs that interact with MP like they used to in 1.2. I don't like how melee have a resource that isn't interacted with it at all, especially when lore-wise we are using our aether in some fashion on every job.

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This is another way to go, and my personal preference if ever we returned all jobs to using MP in some way. I despise wasted UI components, so I'd like to see that shift regardless.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Does anyone else find it odd that the community can come up with such in depth analysis of the job, with insightful reworks (usually just as one person), but an entire companies worth of employees cant seem to even do anything meaningful with the jobs abilities or additions?

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That is probably because the vision of classes between the players and the dev's do not often match up. Due to that difference what we the players find interesting, viable, fun, and engaging differ greatly it makes class balance a pain.

I have made a change to the chakra system. When a player gets all chakra stacks, increase critical hit and direct hit rates by 5% (might be better to make it 10% but I'll see what you guys think). Now, you won't have to worry about exceeding chakra stacks as keeping them would give you the mentioned reward.

But now you just weigh the damage. Would a 5% increase to crit and direct hit give more damage on average than using a Forbidden Chakra. My head says yes (without doing calccs) which would mean Forbidden Chakra is completely useless to use and is a damage loss, just like current Tornado Kick.

That change also does not address the issue of overcapping on Chakra. So to put it bluntly, it's a change that has had no thought put into it.

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Originally Posted by hballamco

I have made a change to the chakra system. When a player gets all chakra stacks, increase critical hit and direct hit rates by 5% (might be better to make it 10% but I'll see what you guys think). Now, you won't have to worry about exceeding chakra stacks as keeping them would give you the mentioned reward.

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This is unnecessary. As long as you generally can't randomly proc another Chakra within the same or immediately following GCD, there's no need for an 'at cap' buff. Moreover, while I tend to like resource priorities, any that potentially reduce APM without being attached to a far broader, cohesive mechanic are far less desirable.