Think we will get a Final Fantasy XIV-2 in the future?

It has been in the back of my mind lately; from what has been said from the developers themselves over the years regarding what this game could, would, and could not do that I wonder if eventually will get a brand new MMO that continues FFXIV but with all the issues addressed that they couldn't address with the original FFXIV that they been wanting to do for years.

Or will FFXIV eventually end soon? I know they wanted to wrap up the current storyline, but they expressed interest in doing another new storyline after it?

Considering how long XI has been going on for, I don't think XIV is in any danger of dying off soon, especially when we've only seen a small fragment of Hydaelyn's continents so far.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Considering how long XI has been going on for, I don't think XIV is in any danger of dying off soon, especially when we've only seen a small fragment of Hydaelyn's continents so far.

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Especially when the game only continues to gain mainstream traction with each passing month. FFXIV is doing quite well for itself right now and has found a devoted enough fanbase to keep playing it for awhile yet. And if we look to WOW as an example, even after the game starts making misstep after perceived misstep the sunk cost fallacy will likely keep it alive for a lot longer than that.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Considering how long XI has been going on for, I don't think XIV is in any danger of dying off soon, especially when we've only seen a small fragment of Hydaelyn's continents so far.

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To add to this, the lore considering Hydaelyn's existence in relationship to other worlds is still vague. So far, we've only ever seen details on the original world and the sundering in any amount of detail, but some lore elements (the Omega weapon 'hailing from another star', Midgardsormr coming from another star, the continuous referencing of all 13 shards and the source as simply 'this star', etc) indicate that even more worlds exist, completely unrelated to the source.

Vague lore = undefined lore = room for expansion.

Either the devs are gonna kill this game or a lack of popularity will, but it will not be a case of no more room for expansion.

They won't be ending FFXIV any time soon.

Though, most likely the reason for it ending will be due to how annoying it'll get having to work with the spaghetti code and all the limitations it imposes on the devs.

Even then, it'll probably continue on in a sort of maintenance mode, so long as people will play it.

As for a new FF MMO, be it XIV-2 or otherwise... That will depend entirely on whether SE deems it potentially lucrative enough to sink the vast amounts of money that creating an MMO from scratch requires. Which, given how XIV 1.0 turned out, probably makes them a little more cautious about greenlighting MMO's.

How likely they will consider it is hard to say, but they already run XIV under less than its potential because they want to earn maximum profits off it meaning that the devs have to be really critical about what they spend time and money on developing (Including spending their own free time, as was the case for the few Viera and Hrothgar glasses and stuff). Otherwise, if given free control and a higher portion of its earnings to spend, its possible that they could have a team (Or teams) working on rewriting the code in order to make "XIV-2" without having to completely start the game over from scratch.

I kind of expect it to end when we get to level 100 (in other words, two more expansions), then go into maintenance mode like XI. I sincerely hope it doesn't just drag on forever like WoW.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Or will FFXIV eventually end soon? I know they wanted to wrap up the current storyline, but they expressed interest in doing another new storyline after it?

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"Eventually end soon"?

But in short, no. The market is not favorable to MMORPGs right now, SE is still running FFXI and has said several times they don't want more MMORPG projects to manage. I'd expect 14 has at least another decade left in it, if not longer.

They also hinted in an interview that they'd sooner overhaul FF14 than start a new game, even though that would be a project of unprecedented scale. (But personally I'd love to see this - though I do love FF14 and it's modern by MMO standards, by the standards of other games it definitely is not and I'd love to see it brought up to par).

I have zero knowledge about how all the programming mumbo jumbo works, but if I had to chose between an XIV 2 (XVI? XVII?) and the game being shut down for months or even a year to get rid of the 1.0 limitations, I'd chose the latter. As I said, I have zero knowledge of this so I don't know if it's even possible, I'd just rather have a major update/overhaul to the current game than an entirely new one /shrug

Since the creator of the franchise has said "one day the Final Fantasy licence will end", I'm not even sure there will be any FFXVI. XV has been shortened (two DLC abandoned) and there's absolutly nothing about the two AAA licence SE is working on. All we know is at least one in a brand new licence.

No trailer means we can't expect any release before 2022 or even 2023.

SE seems to prefer to remaster old FF rather than to build a new one. That's the main reason I start to doubt there will be any brand new FF (and the fact Agni's Philosophy hasn't been followed by an announce of new game).

And if there is a new MMO, I expect and brand new story rather than any FFXIV-2

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

It has been in the back of my mind lately; from what has been said from the developers themselves over the years regarding what this game could, would, and could not do that I wonder if eventually will get a brand new MMO that continues FFXIV but with all the issues addressed that they couldn't address with the original FFXIV that they been wanting to do for years.

Or will FFXIV eventually end soon? I know they wanted to wrap up the current storyline, but they expressed interest in doing another new storyline after it?

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It's not possible to get a sequel to an MMO; an expansion is as close as a sequel you will get.

If anything once ffxi dies off then possible ff17 could be the next MMO. However ffxiv is going super strong. If anything I would like for them to get enough dev support to overhaul the game's graphics and shading and fix alot of things they cant due to the early code from 1.0

Next game should drop all open world and only offer cutscenes and instances (dungeons/raids), and also a HUB type of place. Wouldn't be an MMO but I'd LOVE that.

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Originally Posted by Derio

If anything once ffxi dies off then possible ff17 could be the next MMO. However ffxiv is going super strong. If anything I would like for them to get enough dev support to overhaul the game's graphics and shading and fix alot of things they cant due to the early code from 1.0

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FFXI is still making money for SE though despite it's extreme age - its community is somewhat small but very very dedicated, to the point SE has hinted that in 2022 there will be "something special" connected to the game that SE will announce then for the game's 20th anniversary (the rumour is a new expansion pack, but given SE have officially wound up the game's storyline I doubt it). Either way, FFXI is in no danger of being shut down, not while it still has players dedicated to it (and a small but dedicated development team).

I've already said it but I will say it again, SE are highly unlikely to invest in developing a new FF MMORPG - the market for new MMOs had already stagnated, and with the global economy in complete meltdown SE simply are not going to take a risky gamble on a long and costly MMORPG development project that is likely to blow up in their face and bring them crashing down in flames, it happened to them once already with FFXIV 1.0, and unlike ARR which turned things around, there would be no possibility of salvaging such a hypothetical game with a reboot this time. :(

I mean, "A Realm Reborn" and all the subsequent expansions of XIV could already pretty much be called XIV-2. Anyway, I don't expect that we'll be seeing the game fade away anytime soon. Even though we're getting closer to the end of one major story arc, we have plenty of setup for new ones to emerge. Even after the entire story plays out to the end I'm sure this game will still be up for some years after.

I'm not sure SE will ever make another PC/Console MMORPG due to the cost and the rise of mobile gaming. If anything, there might be more MMORPGs that will be mobile. FF15 has one in development https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01...ent-for-mobile. FF11 mobile version is in dev hell.

I honestly don't want any more mmos not because the game but because everyone is oversenstive cry reporting just about anything and unlike the past devs have no backbones in mmos so they just submit and issue a ban because someone had their little feelings hurt on virtual world. If companys can return to the past of not caring so long as people weren't rmt or hacking I'd support this but in the over senstive world nty

I mean, aren't we technically already playing XIV-2?

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

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Well, it mainly applies to a little part of NA and western European people, other countries are not like that.

Some asian MMOs are more suffering that they are released too fast considering their quality. And the other problem, they are all medieval based and the market is oversaturated by ArcheAge like-games. New comers can't reach WoW or FFXIV and they need to be better than BDO or TESO, they never are.

The current state of art could easilly justify a brand new MMO especially with next-gen and G5.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

Next game should drop all open world and only offer cutscenes and instances (dungeons/raids), and also a HUB type of place. Wouldn't be an MMO but I'd LOVE that.

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So, the first half of FF13?

I think one day there will be a new FF mmo to basically take the place of this one, whether it's in the same world or not who knows but I don't think either will happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

They won't be ending FFXIV any time soon.

Though, most likely the reason for it ending will be due to how annoying it'll get having to work with the spaghetti code and all the limitations it imposes on the devs.

Even then, it'll probably continue on in a sort of maintenance mode, so long as people will play it.

As for a new FF MMO, be it XIV-2 or otherwise... That will depend entirely on whether SE deems it potentially lucrative enough to sink the vast amounts of money that creating an MMO from scratch requires. Which, given how XIV 1.0 turned out, probably makes them a little more cautious about greenlighting MMO's.

How likely they will consider it is hard to say, but they already run XIV under less than its potential because they want to earn maximum profits off it meaning that the devs have to be really critical about what they spend time and money on developing (Including spending their own free time, as was the case for the few Viera and Hrothgar glasses and stuff). Otherwise, if given free control and a higher portion of its earnings to spend, its possible that they could have a team (Or teams) working on rewriting the code in order to make "XIV-2" without having to completely start the game over from scratch.

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The game was rewritten from the ground up when ffxiv 2.0 launched. Stop with the spaghetti code garbage.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So, the first half of FF13?

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Not turned based but instances similar to FFXIV dungeons/raids/trials, focusing all development on that. Use ARPG type of progression (Path of Exile, Diablo, ..) with 1 hub where you'll be refining your gear and stuff and all else will be instanced content to be done in party like FFXIV instances. Do still greatly resemble the holy trinity (tank+healer+dps).

To keep the Final Fantasy flavor, have a deep story purely told with cut scenes, like you have in fighting games (Mortal Combat, ...).

I know this is too much of a niche game to be successful, but I'd play the heck out of that.

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Originally Posted by Derio

If anything once ffxi dies off then possible ff17 could be the next MMO. However ffxiv is going super strong. If anything I would like for them to get enough dev support to overhaul the game's graphics and shading and fix alot of things they cant due to the early code from 1.0

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The game was rewritten by a completely different team.

The 'limitations' have nothing to do with 1.0 but are there because the code was rewritten poorly. When they 'emulated WoW they also 'emulated' the 2004 code it seems.


The graphics will stay the same as they are but with small improvements because it means that they can give a uniform experience from the console to PC. We dont have addons because Sony dont want player made content running on their platform.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I've already said it but I will say it again, SE are highly unlikely to invest in developing a new FF MMORPG - the market for new MMOs had already stagnated, and with the global economy in complete meltdown SE simply are not going to take a risky gamble on a long and costly MMORPG development project that is likely to blow up in their face and bring them crashing down in flames, it happened to them once already with FFXIV 1.0, and unlike ARR which turned things around, there would be no possibility of salvaging such a hypothetical game with a reboot this time. :(

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1.0 they made a FF11 HD and the MMO market had changed by then. Players expect a well done FF WoW-clone and that's what we got and it's successful.

The market is fine. If you notice when they release numbers it's always the (misleading) total accounts made not the concurrent player base - the real one that matters.

I seriously doubt that we have more than a million concurrent players and that is successful! The problem other studios had is that they expected WoW numbers and if they didn't materialise they pulled funding and they died a slow content drought death.

They probably could make a new FF MMO as these ones tend toward the fantasy genre so it's possible to have a future or present based type. It's a lot of work but it's a good stream of income, particularly if you milk the payer base with the Mogstation and extra subs for features the game should have.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I kind of expect it to end when we get to level 100 (in other words, two more expansions), then go into maintenance mode like XI. I sincerely hope it doesn't just drag on forever like WoW.

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Why stop at 100? WoW certainly didn't. There's really no reason to arbitrarily stop at 100. Sure, the game will eventually go into mmaint mode with no new expansions/content. But doing it at level 100 feels really arbitrary. The only reason they'll stop making expansions is when the game isn't financially viable enough to invest in them.

Even if they just decide 'nah this is far enough' there's really no reason to have that specifically be 100 and not say, 110 or 120 etc. Or even 90 if they wrapped up this current overarching plot next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

The game was rewritten from the ground up when ffxiv 2.0 launched. Stop with the spaghetti code garbage.

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No it wasn't lol.

It was created based on the 1.0 systems. The devs have literally said that themselves.

It's also the reason why various systems exist in the game, such as how combat functions, how the character creation functions, how inventory functions etc.

Unless you believe it's possible to completely code an entire MMO from scratch in only a single year, which is laughable, when most games are in development for several years before release.

The limitation on the 2.0 are really starting to show and even the devs feel restricted within their work for improvement. (they need to cheat to actually adapt new features into the game (for example the capes)).
Either the game will end like FFXI or they will make a new (MMO)RPG game based on FFXIV without the constrain of the 1.0 IMO
But once again SE is quiet about a new FF title so.. Meh

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Why stop at 100? WoW certainly didn't. There's really no reason to arbitrarily stop at 100. Sure, the game will eventually go into mmaint mode with no new expansions/content. But doing it at level 100 feels really arbitrary. The only reason they'll stop making expansions is when the game isn't financially viable enough to invest in them.

Even if they just decide 'nah this is far enough' there's really no reason to have that specifically be 100 and not say, 110 or 120 etc. Or even 90 if they wrapped up this current overarching plot next expansion.

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Eh, just seems like a nice round number to me. But if you consider how long an expansion typically runs, that puts the game another six or seven years out.

And I wouldn't take WoW's eternal refusal to die as a good indication of what to do. WoW's story has gone to total crap over the years.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

It's not possible to get a sequel to an MMO; an expansion is as close as a sequel you will get.

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Guild Wars 2? Ragnarok Online 2?

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Originally Posted by WrenElessedil

Guild Wars 2? Ragnarok Online 2?

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Also EverQuest 2

I don’t think we will ever get a direct sequel to FF14, but I’m also not as sure as others seem to be this game has that much longevity left. Even with the upgrade from PS3 to PS4 the game is still starting to look a little dated and as much as I enjoy it, and definitely am excited where the story is heading, I think we will probably see one or two more main expansions then maybe a mini one to tie up loose ends.

I don’t think the servers are being turned off any time soon or anything like that but they’ll want to build a new MMO to replace this one, like they did with 11, sooner rather than later I think.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

most likely the reason for it ending will be due to how annoying it'll get having to work with the spaghetti code and all the limitations it imposes on the devs.

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They still program XI using a PS2 dev kit emulated on a PC. It still needs players to log in to PlayOnline.
Yet they carry on.

XIV can't be as bad as that.

It's strange because while 14 definitely is just really hitting it's peak in many ways, it's also really starting to rub up against it's inherent limitations. I doubt we'll ever get an actual FF14-2 though it would surprise me if there was no future FF MMO at all (and it would be nice if it at least had allusions to 14 depending on how 14 ends).

I guess I'm a little torn between wanting a rework of FF14 that removes all of the old restrictions and them just winding down focused development on 14 to work on a brand new FF MMO. A rework of 14 would be great but as the game is so heavily storyline centric the game is also at a point where it would start feeling like they're just dragging it on for no reason if they kept developing it for years to come.

(negligible 5.0 spoilers ahead)

You know, I just finished Shadowbringers (5.0) and honestly I really don't want them to drag this game out too long. I want it to have an epic satisfying and tear jerking conclusion at its peak of quality. That way this game will become an artifact to be remembered and treasured.

I want to feel similar emotional conclusion like in 5.0, but even stronger. Really feeling the significance of this long journey since ARR.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

No it wasn't lol.

It was created based on the 1.0 systems. The devs have literally said that themselves.

It's also the reason why various systems exist in the game, such as how combat functions, how the character creation functions, how inventory functions etc.

Unless you believe it's possible to completely code an entire MMO from scratch in only a single year, which is laughable, when most games are in development for several years before release.

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Actually, you're wrong, they scrapped the old 1.0 engine (Crystal Tools) (and 1.0's code completely), and built ARR in an entirelly new engine based on FFXV's Luminous Engine, there is no old '1.0 code' in the game, the game does reuse certain assets like certain enemy and character models and gear/equipment, but they're rendered in the new engine and are not just copied and pasted into ARR. 1.0 character data is also transfered into ARR but that is simply little more than a database with a bunch of flags assigning values at character creation and is again, not 1.0 'code' copied into it.

Being 'based' on 1.0's systems doesn't mean it reuses 1.0 code, that's just a myth that has reached silly meme status and annoys me everytime I see someone use it. It's one meme I wish would just die out already. ARR's limitations simply come by design, the game was designed in a hurry as a way of restoring trust with players and FF fans after 1.0's disasterous launch, and that meant having to skip or put aside certain 'fluff' aspects like glamour for later, in order to get the core systems of the game working properly and stable at launch (something 1.0 never had). Unfortunately this meant ARR was designed as a 'closed system' somewhat that has been difficult to adapt and upgrade as time has passed and the game has grown in popularity.

Hence the work-arounds and compromises Yoshi and his team have had to use to implement requested features added later like glamour - he would implement stuff like a proper 'glamour book' system for instance if he could, but due to the aforementioned closed design, it's something that can not be done.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

The game was rewritten from the ground up when ffxiv 2.0 launched. Stop with the spaghetti code garbage.

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Someone should do a bit of research then. lol

It's one of the reasons why we have this Gods awful token system that clutters my inventory every time I reach current end-game.

I guess we will get a FF17 mmorpg to reduce the pasta..
That means, in about 2-3 expansion we will hit the end of 14 and get the announcement for a new mmorpg for the PS6.