Ocean Fishing Abandoning

I'm honestly surprised this hasn't already been patched out, but why is it that with an already long 2 hour wait timer, we have to deal with toxic players who are leaving the second there isnt a spectral proc by the 2:30 time remaining mark? They need to be locked out of re-queueing for abandoning at MINIMUM until the next boat, but ideally for 12/24 hours to minimize people leaving.

It makes no sense that non time-limited content like dungeons that you can quickly re-queue for is more penalizing than something people can do only once every 2 hours. I don't know the exact fix, but something honestly needs to be done about it.

I'm more annoyed by the people who give up partway through and just AFK. At least the ones who leave aren't reducing further spectral chances.

Not sure why there isn't a deserter debuff on this like other dungeons.

I was under the impression there wasn't a negative effect when people left, I've seen people still get the points for the mount after everyone bails. Is there a legit reason to be upset by this?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I was under the impression there wasn't a negative effect when people left, I've seen people still get the points for the mount after everyone bails. Is there a legit reason to be upset by this?

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Less people fishing equals less opportunity for a spectral fish to be caught and lead to a proc and a greater likelihood to receive fewer score bonuses at the end of the run since that's mostly based off of numbers of fish caught. The fewer chances for a spectral fish being caught is somewhat offset by the higher chance of a spectral proc happening if someone does catch a spectral fish, but I don't know if it's completely offset or not. The fewer bonus thing is not offset at any rate.

If someone just afks instead of leaving, not only are they not providing any chances of a spectral fish catch or contributing to score bonuses, but they also block the extra chance of a spectral proc in the event that a spectral fish is caught.

Yeah, less people in a party equals less bonuses. I'm not a huge fan of how ocean fishing was setup. The RNG on top of RNG is frustrating enough, though I also dislike being beholden to other players in a group in FSH related content when there's no real time to chat and be social.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Less people fishing equals less opportunity for a spectral fish to be caught and lead to a proc and a greater likelihood to receive fewer score bonuses at the end of the run since that's mostly based off of numbers of fish caught. The fewer chances for a spectral fish being caught is somewhat offset by the higher chance of a spectral proc happening if someone does catch a spectral fish, but I don't know if it's completely offset or not. The fewer bonus thing is not offset at any rate.

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In that case, if there was a penalty, wouldn't people just afk if things didn't go the way they wanted? Then you'd have less chance of proccing spectral and a lower bonus anyway cuz they didnt fish.

(I haven't done ocean fishing more than twice, got my mount on the 2nd go)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

In that case, if there was a penalty, wouldn't people just afk if things didn't go the way they wanted? Then you'd have less chance of proccing spectral and a lower bonus anyway cuz they didnt fish.

(I haven't done ocean fishing more than twice, got my mount on the 2nd go)

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Yes. The only reason they leave now is that by leaving they can still enter a second queue in the 15 minute window and try again. This is why I'm more annoyed by the people who afk.

As for seeing people still get the achievement even if people leave, there's two things that might be happening. Probably both. Bonuses are party based, so if the people leaving aren't in their party then they're not being as affected as much as other people. Also, one party bonus is a 50% boost on top of whatever other bonuses your party builds up if you happen to catch 3 5-star fish as a group. Add that to a personal 5-star catch if you're one of the 3 and reaching a base of 5,000 points and you have a 90% bonus just from those three. Add the other bonuses your party racks up and scores can multiply pretty high with some luck. If you ever see most people at 6-7k and three players at 12-13k this is likely what happened. I'm assuming at any rate, since it's yet to actually happen to me. I'm just basing that off of the possible numbers that could happen in a run.

It kinda seems like the content was designed for dropping and requeuing. Especially the achievements for the titles, you can leave and get a different boat with different weather, and the weather impacts what fish are catchable. They could have just made the weather a fixed thing like time of day is, if they didn't want to encourage people to try again for a better boat.

The simplest fix would just be to prevent people from attempting to board another ship within the same time window.

Less people in a party doesn't actually mean less spectral procs- the rate at which spectral fish trigger a spectral current scales dynamically with the number of people on the boat. You're being hurt way more by anyone who doesn't surface slap and then wait for a !!! tug than you are by anyone who leaves early.

I'm pretty sure Surface Slap does not actually influence the odds of hooking spectral fish due to them being classified as big fish for the purposes of other skills like Identical Cast.

I don't even notice a difference when using the "right" bait for them vs. anything else, either.

I dont even understand why people are upset by people leaving. Alot of people queue as a private pf for titles which mean they arent even trying to get spectrals anyway. So if you want a spectral, these people arent hunting for it in the first place. Alot of the times if we dont need fish in a certain area we just afk. You have it backwards, if youre going to be upset, you should be upset that title people are in your boat. People queue with different expectations for what they need. If someone just needs a 5 star, i dont blame them for leaving, they didnt get what they wanted so they leave and not waste more of their time.

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Originally Posted by Aurida

Less people in a party doesn't actually mean less spectral procs- the rate at which spectral fish trigger a spectral current scales dynamically with the number of people on the boat. You're being hurt way more by anyone who doesn't surface slap and then wait for a !!! tug than you are by anyone who leaves early.

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has anyone confirmed that it scales dynamically, I have only seen stories where solo players get triple current.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

has anyone confirmed that it scales dynamically, I have only seen stories where solo players get triple current.

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Square Enix have not. Anything else is speculation really based on good or bad luck.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

has anyone confirmed that it scales dynamically, I have only seen stories where solo players get triple current.

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I have two CWLs that have worked on this and it seems to be rather true.
You still need to get and hook a spectral fish, mind you. The bite rates don’t seem to change from what I’ve been told. But the chance of it triggering the current goes way up.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Less people fishing equals less opportunity for a spectral fish to be caught and lead to a proc and a greater likelihood to receive fewer score bonuses at the end of the run

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so.. why dont you just leave then aswell? if spec didnt pop in the beginning, you wont get a high score either, lol

Because not everyone is a selfish waste of space.

So the point of this thread is " I'm mad people are trying for a high score and when the first third of the rng on rng in rng system is bad people should just suffer through the rest because I'm mad."

I guess the trolls finally found the thread. Checking out. Good luck fishing!

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Because not everyone is a selfish waste of space.

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Do yourself a favor and leave and requeue. This is honestly what everyone should be doing with the way it's designed.

If this content is set upright or not. SE will adjust the rate.
Looks at fates you can solo all but 30 min fate with adjustments made. I am an 80 fish. I haven't gotten around to doing this content, but I'm not worried.

I'm kinda sure that the spectral pop rate scales with the number of people on the boat. When I'm alone or with 1 or 2 people it almost always pops when one spectral fish gets caught, sometimes it requires 2 catches. While when being on a full ship I can have 5 or 6 catches across my party, without anything happening

that said: having people leave the ship probably doesnt hurt you, because the spectral pop rate per catch might just increase

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

I'm kinda sure that the spectral pop rate scales with the number of people on the boat. When I'm alone or with 1 or 2 people it almost always pops when one spectral fish gets caught, sometimes it requires 2 catches. While when being on a full ship I can have 5 or 6 catches across my party, without anything happening

that said: having people leave the ship probably doesnt hurt you, because the spectral pop rate per catch might just increase

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I still don't believe square has bothered to do something like that, it will reamain the same chance which you had when the instance began and then there is even less of a chance to spawn anything if people leave.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

I still don't believe square has bothered to do something like that, it will reamain the same chance which you had when the instance began and then there is even less of a chance to spawn anything if people leave.

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from my experience, I get spectrals pops on empty boats at least as often as on full boats, so I dont see any problem with people leaving

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

from my experience, I get spectrals pops on empty boats at least as often as on full boats, so I dont see any problem with people leaving

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yes but were they empty at the beginning or did 23 people leave and then you still got spectrals?