COMPLAINT: Can't progress level 79 story quest until level 80 role quest complete?

I hope the devs read this and fix it (doubt it but I'm frustrated and need to vent). Why would you make a quest level 79 when you need a level 80 quest to complete it? I am at a point in the story where you need to do the level 80 role quest for healers. I cant progress in the msq quest because of it. However, the msq quest requires only level 79.

lol wut?

Why would you not make the msq quest require 80 if you need a level 80 side quest? Makes no sense. So now I am stuck at 7mil short of level 80 and there is no quick way to get that exp (already did leveling roulette for the day). Very frustrating. I just want to experience teh story. I dont like my progress being blocked in a video game for asinine things like this. I could understand if the msq quest itself required 80, that makes sense. but its not and that's really irritating.

Sorry, vent over.

The quest level immediately goes up to Lv80 once you complete that quest.

I think it's done that way because you can get to that point where you're told you'll need to complete your Lv80 job quest while you're still Lv79. Otherwise you might find yourself blocked by quest level, go away to level up, come back to pick up the MSQ again, and almost immediately be told that you can't progress because you should have done your role quest!

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The quest level immediately goes up to Lv80 once you complete that quest.

I think it's done that way because you can get to that point where you're told you'll need to complete your Lv80 job quest while you're still Lv79. Otherwise you might find yourself blocked by quest level, go away to level up, come back to pick up the MSQ again, and almost immediately be told that you can't progress because you should have done your role quest!

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But I'm already blocked by quest level. I can't do the role quest until i'm level 80 anyway. How is that helpful? It should have been set at before accepting the quest that you have to be level 80 AND you need to do the level 80 role quest. That woudl ahve made more sense. How does it make sense to block progression in a level 79 quest with a level 80 quest when you aren't the right level to do the level 80 quest?

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

But I'm already blocked by quest level. I can't do the role quest until i'm level 80 anyway. How is that helpful?

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Sequence now:
1. Work through early Tempest quests.
2. Accept this quest as a Lv79 character.
3. Arrive at Grenoldt's forge and learn that you need to complete your Lv80 role quest to proceed.
4. Go away to achieve two goals: level up and complete that quest. (Possibly you also need to do the earlier quests in the chain, which might give you the EXP you need to reach 80.)
5. Return and continue to the end of MSQ.

Sequence if you needed to be Lv80 to accept the quest:
1. Work through early quests.
2. You reach this quest at Lv79 but can't accept it until you level up.
3. You go away, level up and immediately return, eager to continue your MSQ.
4. You accept the quest, reach the forge.... and learn you have to go and do your role quest. Possibly the entire chain.
5. Leave to do other quests (again).
6. Now you can continue.


The current setup means you're interrupted once, not potentially twice, and immediately know everything that you need to do before you can continue.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Sequence now:
1. Work through early Tempest quests.
2. Accept this quest as a Lv79 character.
3. Arrive at Grenoldt's forge and learn that you need to complete your Lv80 role quest to proceed.
4. Go away to achieve two goals: level up and complete that quest. (Possibly you also need to do the earlier quests in the chain, which might give you the EXP you need to reach 80.)
5. Return and continue to the end of MSQ.

Sequence if you needed to be Lv80 to accept the quest:
1. Work through early quests.
2. You reach this quest at Lv79 but can't accept it until you level up.
3. You go away, level up and immediately return, eager to continue your MSQ.
4. You accept the quest, reach the forge.... and learn you have to go and do your role quest. Possibly the entire chain.
5. Leave to do other quests (again).
6. Now you can continue.


The current setup means you're interrupted once, not potentially twice, and immediately know everything that you need to do before you can continue.

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I disagree since at the very beginning of the msq when you are introduced to the Crystarium tavern they tell you that you have to do your role quests to get thru the msq. So thru the entire msq, Ive been doing those quests as soon as I was the correct level. So it is very jarring and frustrating to suddenly come to a quest where it says its level 79 but you actually have to be 80 to clear it. That''s dumb. If I need to be 80, don't let me accept it until i'm 80! It's like going for a test where the test is for MATH 210 but then you discover midway thru the test that you need MATH 310 to clear MATH210 even tho MATH310 is the next year's course. Like wth? You shouldn't be able to accept that quest until you meet both conditions, level 80 and the final role quest complete. This knocks out two birds with one stone.

Tbh, I just think they shouldn't force you to do side quests just to advance in the main story. They are SIDE quests and side quests should always be optional. They didn't do this crap in any previous expansion so I don't get the purpose of doing this now. All it does is be frustrating and block my progress in the game. I just want to do the story, not do all the other stuff because to be quite honest, I suck at this game lol. I cant do savage, I'm terrible in Alliance raids and already have a hard time keeping tanks alive who do super large pulls in dungeons and I am really really super bad in any other role but healing. I just want the story lol. It's the only reason I play the game really.

So you would prefer if they set the quest requirement to level 80 one step sooner(as Iscah said, the next quest requires level 80), and if they didnt let you pick up the quest until you already had the second requirement met. I can understand that. Personally, i didnt mind it the way it was. If i had known i would have to stop at the end of the quest for a side trek then it may have caused me to prioritize an extra roulette or two to get the level i needed before i got there, but not knowing what was coming kept me more in the moment. I got to the forge only to realize that i dont have the item i need to inspire not-gerolt back to work, so i need to go out and find it. Honestly, they could put the quest break right there when you meet him and he doesnt have the work finished. Then to go further, you go find his inspiration and come back to continue(or just, you know, continue if you already had it like you would now).

And i wont spoil anything, but these particular side quests are plot relevant. So i didnt mind the requirement. Besides, doing your class quests to get the armor set(and extra skills) was always basically required in previous expansions too, so this version of it was fine for me too.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

So you would prefer if they set the quest requirement to level 80 one step sooner(as Iscah said, the next quest requires level 80), and if they didnt let you pick up the quest until you already had the second requirement met. I can understand that. Personally, i didnt mind it the way it was. If i had known i would have to stop at the end of the quest for a side trek then it may have caused me to prioritize an extra roulette or two to get the level i needed before i got there, but not knowing what was coming kept me more in the moment. I got to the forge only to realize that i dont have the item i need to inspire not-gerolt back to work, so i need to go out and find it. Honestly, they could put the quest break right there when you meet him and he doesnt have the work finished. Then to go further, you go find his inspiration and come back to continue(or just, you know, continue if you already had it like you would now).

And i wont spoil anything, but these particular side quests are plot relevant. So i didn't mind the requirement. Besides, doing your class quests to get the armor set(and extra skills) was always basically required in previous expansions too, so this version of it was fine for me too.

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That actually would have been better. They should have divided the quest in two so when you get to him, you complete the current one and then you talk to him again to start the next msq if you had gotten level 80 and level 80 role quest. Unfortunately, I already did the roulette for the day so I'm stuck waiting for reset to actually get up to level 80. Tbh tho, I do not think this next leveling roulette is going to push me up this time, 8 mil is quite a substantial amount to go and I don't leveling gives you that much exp. And the other roulettes give even less.

You arent stuck till the next day when you can do leveling roulette again. Leveling roulette isnt the only source of xp, you can do main story roulette, the 79 dungeon once or twice, fates and so on. plenty of stuff to do to reach that last bit to lvl 80.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

You arent stuck till the next day when you can do leveling roulette again. Leveling roulette isnt the only source of xp, you can do main story roulette, the 79 dungeon once or twice, fates and so on. plenty of stuff to do to reach that last bit to lvl 80.

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As i said, they don't give that much exp to be worth it, why waste my time? I'm better off just waiting for the next day anyway, so I just went to bed lol.

Regarding the msq roulette, I refuse to do that. I'm not going to sit thru an hour of cutscenes I've already seen just for a level. No thx. That is the one roulette I refuse to do.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

That actually would have been better. They should have divided the quest in two so when you get to him, you complete the current one and then you talk to him again to start the next msq if you had gotten level 80 and level 80 role quest. Unfortunately, I already did the roulette for the day so I'm stuck waiting for reset to actually get up to level 80. Tbh tho, I do not think this next leveling roulette is going to push me up this time, 8 mil is quite a substantial amount to go and I don't leveling gives you that much exp. And the other roulettes give even less.

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If you only need 8 mil, just run Mt. Gulg one more time. No need to even do roulettes, as that dungeon should give you enough EXP to level up. Then you can complete your level 80 role quest, return to The Tempest, and turn in the level 79 quest. Make sure you speak with Totally-Not-Gerolt again, as he will furnish you with your level 80 artifact gear for whichever job you are playing completely for free.

Either way, you were going to get level locked after this quest, as the next four MSQ are level 80. Better to get the level lock out of the way sooner rather than after, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

As i said, they don't give that much exp to be worth it, why waste my time? I'm better off just waiting for the next day anyway, so I just went to bed lol.

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If I recall, a run of Mt. Gulg at level 79 nets over 10 million EXP. It’s been a while since I’ve done it on a 79 job as I haven’t been leveling, but it gives a fairly substantial amount—especially if you have FC buffs and food on. It’s certainly not “that much exp to be worth it”.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If you only need 8 mil, just run Mt. Gulg one more time. No need to even do roulettes, as that dungeon should give you enough EXP to level up. Then you can complete your level 80 role quest, return to The Tempest, and turn in the level 79 quest. Make sure you speak with Totally-Not-Gerolt again, as he will furnish you with your level 80 artifact gear for whichever job you are playing completely for free.

Either way, you were going to get level locked after this quest, as the next four MSQ are level 80. Better to get the level lock out of the way sooner rather than after, in my opinion.

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I'm just going to do leveling roulettte again once reset hits and im done with real life here. And not a fan of Mt. Gulg, it's really hard to heal there, not as The Vault but its pretty bad. Then again, I really suck at the game and just want to do the story lol.

Oh, how hard is the last role quest anyway? I heard it is rather difficult and that doesnt bode well for me since Im terrible at the game. I would hate to have to quit because I cant beat the role quest.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

I'm just going to do leveling roulettte again once reset hits and im done with real life here. And not a fan of Mt. Gulg, it's really hard to heal there, not as The Vault but its pretty bad. Then again, I really suck at the game and just want to do the story lol.

Oh, how hard is the last role quest anyway? I heard it is rather difficult and that doesnt bode well for me since Im terrible at the game. I would hate to have to quit because I cant beat the role quest.

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Neither Mt. Gulg or the level 80 healer role quest are hard. Having healed Mt. Gulg before on two healers (WHM and AST) and done the 80 role quest, you’re worrying for no reason. By all means, wait for Roulette reset, but I still think it would be better to just do Mt. Gulg. You risk getting it in Leveling Roulette tomorrow anyways if you’re level 79, and that will be a substantial waste of Roulette experience in the event you have other jobs you want to also level.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Neither Mt. Gulg or the level 80 healer role quest are hard. Having healed Mt. Gulg before on two healers (WHM and AST) and done the 80 role quest, you’re worrying for no reason. By all means, wait for Roulette reset, but I still think it would be better to just do Mt. Gulg. You risk getting it in Leveling Roulette tomorrow anyways if you’re level 79, and that will be a substantial waste of Roulette experience in the event you have other jobs you want to also level.

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YOU find Mt. Gulg not that difficult. I find it quite difficult. Why does no one ever consider that someone's super easy is another's hard? This is becoming very very irritating. Just stop. Please. Thanks.

And no, Im only leveling Whm so no worries there lol. I want to level dancer and try it out but I suck at this game, particularly dpsing so Im not going to bother. I'll stick with whm, thx.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

YOU find Mt. Gulg not that difficult. I find it quite difficult. Why does no one ever consider that someone's super easy is another's hard? This is becoming very very irritating. Just stop. Please. Thanks.

And no, Im only leveling Whm so no worries there lol. I want to level dancer and try it out but I suck at this game, particularly dpsing so Im not going to bother. I'll stick with whm, thx.

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Plenty of people find Mt. Gulg not hard—especially on WHM, which is by far the healer that has the easiest time in dungeons right now. You can calm down. It’s irritating to see people brushing off the advice of others simply due to stubbornness. By all means, you do you, but just know that your Leveling Roulette could give you Mt. Gulg tomorrow anyways. Such is the way of a roulette.

As for leveling DPS, that’s also not hard. DNC has a very easy learning curve, as it’s mostly using your dances on cooldown, doing a 1-2 combo, and reacting to procs. DPS generally have it the easiest in most casual content—far more easier than tanks or healers, who tend to be shouldered with the majority of the responsibility and the first to blame when things start heading south. However, if you’re going to remain afraid of trying new things, well, no one can convince you otherwise. I think you shouldn’t be afraid as none of this is nearly as hard or scary as you’re making it out to be, but that is just my opinion.

Good luck on your gaming adventures.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Plenty of people find Mt. Gulg not hard—especially on WHM, which is by far the healer that has the easiest time in dungeons right now. You can calm down. It’s irritating to see people brushing off the advice of others simply due to stubbornness. By all means, you do you, but just know that your Leveling Roulette could give you Mt. Gulg tomorrow anyways. Such is the way of a roulette.

As for leveling DPS, that’s also not hard. DNC has a very easy learning curve, as it’s mostly using your dances on cooldown, doing a 1-2 combo, and reacting to procs. DPS generally have it the easiest in most casual content—far more easier than tanks or healers, who tend to be shouldered with the majority of the responsibility and the first to blame when things start heading south. However, if you’re going to remain afraid of trying new things, well, no one can convince you otherwise. I think you shouldn’t be afraid as none of this is nearly as hard or scary as you’re making it out to be, but that is just my opinion.

Good luck on your gaming adventures.

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Nevermind, you obviously don't get it, so whatever. And yes I just got Mt. Gulg again and people died again and ugh, I really hate doing that dungeon, its so hard to heal in there.

Anyway, yeah, I try to make people understand how hard it is for me, but no one gets it, I dont understand what Im not getting across or not here, but whatever. I give up trying to convince people. I'm tired of explaining over and over why its so hard and why advice I try to put into practice just never works for me. I did the same with RDM, I even posted a video, tried peoples advice, and just never got better after trying and tryign and trying and trying. Its not that I dont take advice, I get frustrated because people like you don't get it and I dont know any other way how to explain to you that IT IS VERY HARD. I get that its not hard for you, but thats not the case for everyone. Im horrible with dpsing, so no Im not going to risk fucking it up for 3 or 8 other people with trying to learn dance, no matter how much I want to try the class out. Its hard enough for me to heal, but at least im comfortable with it except when tanks want to pull wall to wall. I would rather do small pulls, I can handle that lel.

Anyway, tired of ranting, I doubt the devs will see this complaint, but I had to post it anyway. It still stupid and the quest should have been 80 to begin with.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

Nevermind, you obviously don't get it, so whatever. And yes I just got Mt. Gulg again and people died again and ugh, I really hate doing that dungeon, its so hard to heal in there.

Anyway, yeah, I try to make people understand how hard it is for me, but no one gets it, I dont understand what Im not getting across or not here, but whatever. I give up trying to convince people. I'm tired of explaining over and over why its so hard and why advice I try to put into practice just never works for me. I did the same with RDM, I even posted a video, tried peoples advice, and just never got better after trying and tryign and trying and trying. Its not that I dont take advice, I get frustrated because people like you don't get it and I dont know any other way how to explain to you that IT IS VERY HARD. I get that its not hard for you, but thats not the case for everyone. Im horrible with dpsing, so no Im not going to risk fucking it up for 3 or 8 other people with trying to learn dance, no matter how much I want to try the class out. Its hard enough for me to heal, but at least im comfortable with it except when tanks want to pull wall to wall. I would rather do small pulls, I can handle that lel.

Anyway, tired of ranting, I doubt the devs will see this complaint, but I had to post it anyway. It still stupid and the quest should have been 80 to begin with.

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You seem very concerned with your own performance. The best you can do is keep trying regardless of however hard or hopeless it seems. That’s the only way to get better. Giving up won’t get you anywhere other than frustrated, as you are now. I can’t speak on this RDM video or how many times you’ve tried before, but if you threw up your hands as quickly as you have at me in this thread about healing, then I don’t know what to really say to you. You aren’t even going to try DNC, convinced that you’ll somehow fail. You never know until you try, and you’ll never get better if you don’t keep trying.

Contrary to what you think, I do understand how difficult things can be when you try them for the first time. I was new once, too. This was my first MMO, and I’ve never really been a big gamer, so things like this were very different for me; but I’ve come a long way since I first started due to my own sheer stubbornness of never giving up. Not to mention, I have a wonderful group of friends to encourage me even when I do feel frustrated—which does still happen, by the way. Even now.

I don’t have much else to say to you on this topic other than good luck.



With regards to the complaint, I doubt that this will change. The developers designed the MSQ like this intentionally, probably as a way to force players into doing their role quests and getting their artifact gear, as that has often been a complaint on here that players show up undergeared to the final dungeons and trials of an expansion. So, I suppose this was their way of gently forcing it.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

With regards to the complaint, I doubt that this will change. The developers designed the MSQ like this intentionally, probably as a way to force players into doing their role quests and getting their artifact gear, as that has often been a complaint on here that players show up undergeared to the final dungeons and trials of an expansion. So, I suppose this was their way of gently forcing it.

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Kind of odd since you don't get level 80 artifact gear from doing the role quests, so I am not for sure if that is really their intention. But whatever.

EDIT: Oops, nvm, just saw the gear in the msq.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

Kind of odd since you don't get level 80 artifact gear from doing the role quests, so I am not for sure if that is really their intention. But whatever.

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After turning in the item you receive from the role quest to Totally-Not-Gerolt, you're able to get i430 AF gear from him for free. The game tells you as such. No need for you to continue to be hostile about this simply because people disagree with you on its necessity.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

I doubt the devs will see this complaint, but I had to post it anyway. It still stupid and the quest should have been 80 to begin with.

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As people have said before, it's the very last quest before the level 80 quests. It's such a trivial thing whether the quests lands at the beginning of 80 or the end of 79. You're still going to need to / have had to gain that 7 mil experience and the difference is a single quest.

I kind of like that it prompts you to level up to a fresh 80 and return, because it rewards you with i430 gear. Yay I can finally replace my non-augmented Scaeven gear and stop being a burden on my party. Maybe the devs had a plan all along.

I was overleveled from roulettes and was already lvl 80 when the MSQ was still at lvl 78. Didn't even know this was a thing until my cousin got to Gerolt from the first and had to lvl that last little bit. He did one msq roulette and that put him at 80. He didn't even complain about it!

Honestly after doing all 4 and the 5th hidden one, they shouldnt have been forced into the msq. the only reason why they are used is just to get the 430 set for your job and a few lines from ardbert. thats it. they literally dont matter to the story. they are just there to spice up the lore behind the first.

I'd rather have that quest sitting in the journal waiting for a level up than not being able to accept the quest, and having to figure out where I need to go when I do finally level up.

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

Honestly after doing all 4 and the 5th hidden one, they shouldnt have been forced into the msq. the only reason why they are used is just to get the 430 set for your job and a few lines from ardbert. thats it. they literally dont matter to the story. they are just there to spice up the lore behind the first.

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They might not matter to the story, but they matter to people getting an ilvl430-set before heading into the last dungeon and trial.

One reason why Shinryu NM was so difficult on release was that people queued up for it without having done their jobquests, so they didnt have their last skill our their gear. I recall getting paired up with one WHM who claimed that their level 70 skill was garbage and that they didnt need the gear. They died constantly and we wiped several times untile we removed said WHM, got another healer in and cleared it.
They wanted to avoid a situation in which people would enter the last part of the mainstory without their jobset but still tie the jobsets to the job (or role) quests. They dont want you to continue without the ilvl430 gear because that would burden 3-7 other people.

I do think the final role quest could have been at Lv78/79 so we could be done with it before we ventured to Mt Gulg and the really tense end of the story. We'd still have to wait until we got to the Tempedt to claim the improved armour.

When they said the quests would be tied to the MSQ, I had hoped that meant they would be better integrated into the pacing of it as well.

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Originally Posted by AphraelAmarantha

Its not that I dont take advice, I get frustrated because people like you don't get it and I dont know any other way how to explain to you that IT IS VERY HARD. I get that its not hard for you, but thats not the case for everyone. Im horrible with dpsing, so no Im not going to risk fucking it up for 3 or 8 other people with trying to learn dance, no matter how much I want to try the class out.

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I understand that you might be done looking at this thread, but i did want to just offer a little encouragement. Sure, i dont completely understand when you say how hard it is(DPSing is easy for me, i do not at all understand the healing mindset so what you think is hard about healing would be like me trying to learn martian braille with my feet). But i do get that i dont get it. And there is one more thing to consider if you do decide to try dancing. Because there is redundancy at the DPS position(1/3/14 other people doing it with you) any one person being below average is harder to notice and, more importantly, drags down the group less. As a dancer just hitting your buffs - even if your "rotation" was completely off - would still put you above some people ive seen. And no one is saying that someone learning needs to jump in the deep end. Some low level fates with a chocobo, maybe a squadron mission or two. No need to put yourself out there until youve had a chance to feel a little comfortable(if you ever get there). Just something to think about.

I did my clan hunts for the day because I didn't fee like spinning the roulette wheel.