Viera and Hrothgar Naming Conventions?

Have we got any information at all on what kind of naming convention the two new races will have?

I'm super on the fence about chugging fantasia to Viera, but with no idea on how their naming conventions work yet, I'm a little apprehensive and the examples we have already (from Tactics/XII/Revenant Wings, ect) are few and far between.

What're your thoughts on this and what do you suspect the types of names we'll see being used by NPC's?

Considering Hrothgars description and, specifically, Helions Queen's name (Gunnhildr), their names will be probably based on Scandinavians.
Have zero idea for Vieras though. I could imagine some examples for names itself, but for last names...

Hopefully we'll find out next week. I think the naming conventions get posted 2 weeks before release.

Au Ra naming conventions were posted one day before early access for Heavensward. So probably have to wait until June 27, 2019 to get naming conventions for Hrothgar and Viera.

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Originally Posted by linay

Au Ra naming conventions were posted one day before early access for Heavensward. So probably have to wait until June 27, 2019 to get naming conventions for Hrothgar and Viera.

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Ah sad. I was hoping they might do something at today's live letter. I guess that hope is gone. Also I only have one day to come up with a name. o.o'

It's mostly likely so that people won't steal a lot of names before the races even come out. It'll be interesting what real world parallel they use for Viera considering they're from a tropical region. I'm hoping they use what they used in FFXII which was mostly consonants.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I'm hoping they use what they used in FFXII which was mostly consonants.

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Then Roegadyn wouldn't be the only ones mistaken for RMT bots. :D

I think it should come a bit after the Live letter like with au ra.

My hubby and I use elezen names. Gonna fantasia to Viera with them.

There was a post somewhere around here about Viera and it's thought they will use Finnish/Norwegian sounding names (like Fran). That's what I'm planning on at any rate.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It's mostly likely so that people won't steal a lot of names before the races even come out. It'll be interesting what real world parallel they use for Viera considering they're from a tropical region. I'm hoping they use what they used in FFXII which was mostly consonants.

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It's interesting... they could use tropical names because of where they live, but they might also use Icelandic names since that's where their names were derived from in FFXII as well as their accent was Icelandic.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

It's interesting... they could use tropical names because of where they live, but they might also use Icelandic names since that's where their names were derived from in FFXII as well as their accent was Icelandic.

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Yeah much like Highlanders have (Fantasy)Viking styled names but Ottoman styled clothing. FFXIV likes to grab from many sources for their races.

According to the FF Wiki the word Viera is Slovakian... So, Slavic names?


And yea, for Hrothgar, based on the name Gunnhildr, it would be old Norse / Germanic.

The new Viera NPC they introduced had a name that was four letters long... I can't remember if any other Viera characters aside from Fran had 4-letter names as well but maybe that's a link?

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Originally Posted by Destati

The new Viera NPC they introduced had a name that was four letters long... I can't remember if any other Viera characters aside from Fran had 4-letter names as well but maybe that's a link?

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Well, Fran's sisters' names were Jote and Mjrn. There were also the two sisters around Rabanastre named Ktjn and Krjn, too. Those were the viera coming from Eruyt village, which would be like FFXIV's rava.

However, the feol in Revenant Wings had different names, like Mydia.

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Originally Posted by Destati

The new Viera NPC they introduced had a name that was four letters long... I can't remember if any other Viera characters aside from Fran had 4-letter names as well but maybe that's a link?

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All the named ones from XII:
Ktjn
Mjrn
Krjn
Jote
Nera

Shara from TA sort of counts if you take the "Sh" as it's own sound, and Ritz may be hume, but her name counts. TA2... is weirder.

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Originally Posted by Destati

The new Viera NPC they introduced had a name that was four letters long... I can't remember if any other Viera characters aside from Fran had 4-letter names as well but maybe that's a link?

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Her name is Lyna:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...20/unknown.png

So it does seem like the first name is a four letter name. I’m curious to what the last name will be like.

"I'macute Bunny" better follow the Viera naming conventions or I dunno what I'll do. I'm pretty set on this new name.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Her name is Lyna:

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She's also a Viis, and considering how radically different the naming convention for the other races are, I'm hesitant to use her as a guide for the Source's Viera.

Judging by some research I've done, the names are likely to be Nordic/Scandanavian as apparently the Viera from XII were given Icelandic accents (specifically with Fran) and the names seem to match that kind of style.

I can't say for sure, I'm not remotely clued up on Icelandic names. But I think it'd be a safe bet to assume it for a baseline. As nothing was noted in the live letter last night, I will guess we'll be waiting until next week or the 27th for the real naming conventions. I've got a feeling they might be snuck in with the Pixie language thread.

Viera seem to have slavic inspiered names but a bit shorted tho and Hrothgar mabye scandinavian/germanic.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

Viera seem to have slavic inspiered names but a bit shorted tho and Hrothgar mabye scandinavian/germanic.

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The only names we have for Hrothgar(the race name, Queen Gunnhildr) are Danish and Swedish.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The only names we have for Hrothgar(the race name, Queen Gunnhildr) are Danish and Swedish.

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It kinda is acient nordic. Not modern Danish or Swedish tbh. So if people want to name their Hrothgar going with names of viking kings/gods or heros would suit them just fine.

Also names for Viera could be; Ayla, Tana, Zarya, Miha, Jasha, Vesna, Ana, Zita, Ema, Alena, Ani, Iva, Dusa, Fiala, Kveta. All short slavic or slovak names.

While I do think the Rava will probably follow a four letter name rule kinda thing (like Fran and Lyna), Veena might be completely different. The sub races so far followed (sometimes very) different rules.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

It kinda is acient nordic. Not modern Danish or Swedish tbh. So if people want to name their Hrothgar going with names of viking kings/gods or heros would suit them just fine.

Also names for Viera could be; Ayla, Tana, Zarya, Miha, Jasha, Vesna, Ana, Zita, Ema, Alena, Ani, Iva, Dusa, Fiala, Kveta. All short slavic or slovak names.

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Queen Gunnhildr Sveinsdóttir's reign as Queen of Sweden lasted from 1022 to 1050

Queen Gunnhildr Gormsdóttir(historical existence disputed) of Norway lived from 910 to 980

Hrothgar is believed to have lived around 500.

Just to provide some time frames.

I would've preferred if they used consonant names like in XII

Mjrn
Krjn
Ktjn

Shame, they'll probably use that for Veena.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

She's also a Viis, and considering how radically different the naming convention for the other races are, I'm hesitant to use her as a guide for the Source's Viera.

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How do you know they have different naming conventions?

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Originally Posted by linay

How do you know they have different naming conventions?

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I believe it was said a while ago that names are different on the First. Even the race names are different.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I would've preferred if they used consonant names like in XII

Mjrn
Krjn
Ktjn

Shame, they'll probably use that for Veena.

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They also had names like Jote though

So for Hrothgar, based on the random generator they appear to be highly influenced by Slavic names. Like, most of the first names are legit actual Slavic names. The Helions last names seem to be A+{name} (although most of the names that they use in the random generator are female) and The Lost have {name}+sch.

The wikipedia page is a good resource for examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_names

FWIW Mir-/-mir meaning peace and Slav-/-slav meaning glory/fame/celebration are super common roots.

I couldn't tell you for Viera I'm afraid. :(

Datamined autogenerator names:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

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Originally Posted by ShadowWolf252

The Helions last names seem to be A+{name} (although most of the names that they use in the random generator are female)

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I expect the Helions will have a matriarchal naming convention, like Moonkeepers, taking their mothers name.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I expect the Helions will have a matriarchal naming convention, like Moonkeepers, taking their mothers name.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, especially since their society is centered around their queen. That said, some of the last names in the random generator were based on names that sounded masculine to me (although I guess there are usually feminine versions that are similar).

Couldn't figure out the Viera names myself either, only quickly scanned over them though. They seem all over the place, with some 4 letter names but also way longer names.

Hrothgar's are pretty much any serbian/croat names, only difference being is that the Helion's have an A-prefix and a feminine slavic name, and the Lost have -asch/-isch(like RL's counterpart -ic/-ich) suffix to a shortened feminine name. I'm guessing here, but the Helion's last name is basically "of -royal bloodline-" and the Lost are "child of -mother-". Most likely why there's a lot more random surnames for the Lost, think there is probably established royal bloodlines for the Helion's.

I can't really pinpoint anything for the Viera. They have some old norse and some hebrew, so it doesn't feel consistent? Guess we'll see when we get an official naming convention.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Hrothgar's are pretty much any serbian/croat names, only difference being is that the Helion's have an A-prefix and a feminine slavic name, and the Lost have -asch/-isch(like RL's counterpart -ic/-ich) suffix to a shortened feminine name. I'm guessing here, but the Helion's last name is basically "of -royal bloodline-" and the Lost are "child of -mother-". Most likely why there's a lot more random surnames for the Lost, think there is probably established royal bloodlines for the Helion's.

I can't really pinpoint anything for the Viera. They have some old norse and some hebrew, so it doesn't feel consistent? Guess we'll see when we get an official naming convention.

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I was told many Veena Viera surnames are places near Ivalice. Besides that though, linguistically they appear, at least to me, part afro-carribbean part latin-based.

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Originally Posted by DSCH

I was told many Veena Viera surnames are places near Ivalice. Besides that though, linguistically they appear, at least to me, part afro-carribbean part latin-based.

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Muscadet and Eryut(presumably an intentional misspelling of Eruyt, Fran's village) are references to Ivalice, which makes it seem like Viera surnames are just their home village. There's basically no information about either region beyond that going into Viera territory without a guide will get you shot, so it's pretty much complete freedom unless you want to reference the Ivalice games.

I wish they would drop something for us. Also wouldn't it be better to not use NPCs for naming references? Technically the only Viera we see is Fran, every other one so far is a Viis and their names might not be a representation on how Vieras are named in the Source. Same goes for Hrothgar and Ronso.

I'd love to see full naming conventions for all the races in the First though. Especially Miqo'te/Mystel and Roegadyn/Galdjent.