limit jobs

blue mage is first limit job how you going do that SE

is ever patch you give up more lvl for example first patch

blue mage 10 more lvl

second patch blue mage get 10 more lvl and maybe beastmaster get introduce as your second limit jobs.

I argee that limit job need work I would like see you able work with your squadron in dungeon. I understand that blue mage is different for other jobs which is kind nice

may I suggest you add to blue mage a lvl 50 artifact weapon quests give blue mage more they can doing.

Delete limited job concept/10

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

Delete limited job concept/10

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What a novel idea, it's crazy but it might just work.

Yoshida has been talking about a Tamer job becoming the next Limit Job. Lets all pray, its not Beast Master.

They talked about Beastmaster but pretty sure based on what i have read and heard that the idea was cancelled. There was an interview, or perhaps it was tamer.

The whole limited job idea was a terrible decision. If they couldnt figure out how to make BLU work in game then they should have just left it out rather than making it a lame mini-game and tarnishing the amazing reputation it had in XI.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

Delete limited job concept/10

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This.

Limited jobs are bad.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I argee that limit job need work I would like see you able work with your squadron in dungeon. I understand that blue mage is different for other jobs which is kind nice

may I suggest you add to blue mage a lvl 50 artifact weapon quests give blue mage more they can doing.

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I'd like to interrupt the 'limited job = bad' circlejerk for a moment to say that this is actually a decent idea to be fair, and not one I believe I've seen before either.

A relic weapon grind along with squadron access (and the whole job being as OP as advertised) and BLU could have been a decent amount of fun.

Still prefer a real BLU job though.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

A relic weapon grind along with squadron access (and the whole job being as OP as advertised) and BLU could have been a decent amount of fun.

Still prefer a real BLU job though.

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Yeah, something beyond getting skills and maybe doing the weeky challenges in the maskdmed carnival. They could get real creative with it instead of fate farming, like a puzzle with your spells.

It was fun to level at the start but i havent touched blu since the month of its release..

"Limited" jobs doesn't even sound like a legitimate concept. It sounds more like an excuse to have Blue Mage be a side-quest, except we can call it a job because hey "limited jobs" are a thing, right? It will likely be abandoned like many of the attempted and failed concepts. I love this game, but when something doesn't work out right, they often end up collecting dust.

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Limited jobs are bad.

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I think it's mostly that the limited job was done badly.

It seems they couldn't quite decide what it was going to be for. On one side, they decided it was going to be solo oriented, so couldn't join group content except in pre-made parties. But then they decided to put most of its important skills into those very same group instances that it had been excluded from joining.

They should have made up their minds. If it's a solo job, then it needs to be soloable. If it's a group based job, then it needs access to the game's grouping tools. The split we got doesn't work for either.

I like the concept. It's fun side content, like the gold saucer. And the jobs they pick for it are probably jobs they're not likely to add as main jobs anyway. A new casting dps would have been added, at SOONEST, 7.0. I somehow doubt they would make beast master into a regular job with lots of pets to choose from given they still haven't expanded egi glamours other than enabling carbuncles. Limited jobs are just fun side content that takes less time than full on jobs.

I don't think getting blue mage as a limited job has robbed us of blue mage as a normal job. I think they had no plans to add blue mage as a normal job and so used the limited job idea as a way to put it in the game without needing to be.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I think it's mostly that the limited job was done badly.

It seems they couldn't quite decide what it was going to be for. On one side, they decided it was going to be solo oriented, so couldn't join group content except in pre-made parties. But then they decided to put most of its important skills into those very same group instances that it had been excluded from joining.

They should have made up their minds. If it's a solo job, then it needs to be soloable. If it's a group based job, then it needs access to the game's grouping tools. The split we got doesn't work for either.

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It's not really a 'solo' job it's just not duty finder compliant. They want blue mages to be able to run duties but not random groups, so they let blue mages use party finder but not duty finder. Because letting them use duty finder would mean throwing them into random groups and needing to add in checks to make sure the blue mage's current spell selection isn't dead weight or isn't going to entirely triviliaze things by using 1k needles in satasha or something. I think this is as good a balance as they're going to get in that regard.

They are wasting resources on useless single-player limited job that no one play anymore, instead of giving us a healer.
Well...

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They want blue mages to be able to run duties but not random groups, so they let blue mages use party finder but not duty finder.

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And that would have been fine if they hadn't locked skills behind it. If grouping was left as an optional thing for players who want to run content with their friends, then excluding BLU from DF's party matching feature wouldn't have caused any problems. The problem comes from simultaneously disabling party matching while also requiring it.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Because letting them use duty finder would mean throwing them into random groups and needing to add in checks to make sure the blue mage's current spell selection isn't dead weight or isn't going to entirely triviliaze things by using 1k needles in satasha or something.

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But this only explains one side of the issue. I agree they had valid reasons for excluding BLU from DF. But given the fact that they were doing that, they should have provided a viable alternative to it. The job's required content should have been soloable (with purely optional grouping available for pre-formed parties).

at first I thought that limit job should become full jobs and I hope at some point they will, yet have puppet master beastmaster blu all limit job may give time to develop them at some point when they feel confendence with combat of the other jobs them maybe tried bring them into full fledge jobs but beast master puppet master blu are all complex jobs, Yoshi P is concern about how player will adept to them give them a limit job stat and at some point see how they can be balance see if they evenaulty become full job if outcry is loud enough then good. it all about balance dps tanking healing. I wish SE could tried alittle more hybrid jobs concepts myself

Limited Jobs = Yoshi P's Limited thought process.

Make BLU similar to FFXI. you have X blumage spell slots at Y lvl and Z blumage points. you can set spells up to either your blu points or up to your max slots.

once chosen and dungeon is flagged in duty finder you can no longer change spell slots, and are locked till dungeon is over.
If you do not know a spell from X category, (e.x. range, healing, or what ever categories SE decides merits dungeon entry) you may not enter the content.

About potency, "spells that you can cast, in no way have to be as strong as the monster using the same ability. " ( just need to be based on your characters arbitrary stats.) = Balance*

( if a spell is broken its the DEVs fault not the job concept)

Death and other special spell effects that are considered game breaking, can work on trash but not on bosses.

To balance all jobs and due to the fact that most new jobs start at a higher lvl anyway, why not remove levels altogether. this would allow for all jobs present and future to have a greater balance, as DEVs can concentrate on the abilities at a static value, rather that changing every lv. ( this idea is further strengthened, by the fact that lvl means nothing and item lvl is king, )

Limited jobs aren't jobs, they're minigames and should be considered as such.
They're fine imo and more people will hopefully come around and see it that way. No need to remove them, heck even bring in more!
Just as long as you don't see them as jobs.

Lets all be Honest here...as much as most of us wanted Blue Mage and were Excited for it...Im sure Im not the only person who knew it wouldn't work and function Properly in an MMO. At least, it wouldn't work as a Traditional Caster DPS.
If they went the Redmage route with it, that would already 'Limit' the job and make it kind of boring, and it wouldn't feel like a Bluemage. So Bluemage was a Lose/Lose.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Lets all be Honest here...as much as most of us wanted Blue Mage and were Excited for it...Im sure Im not the only person who knew it wouldn't work and function Properly in an MMO. At least, it wouldn't work as a Traditional Caster DPS.
If they went the Redmage route with it, that would already 'Limit' the job and make it kind of boring, and it wouldn't feel like a Bluemage. So Bluemage was a Lose/Lose.

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https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...nal_Fantasy_XI) :

Blue Mage is an advanced job added in Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion of Final Fantasy XI. Blue Mages are capable of dealing heavy physical or magical damage, healing and support, debuffing, or tanking. They can learn enemy abilities that either enhance themselves or deter their enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-sa6DUYrE

When there is president for something that line of thinking just makes you seem... Ill just say less.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Limited jobs aren't jobs, they're minigames and should be considered as such.
They're fine imo and more people will hopefully come around and see it that way. No need to remove them, heck even bring in more!
Just as long as you don't see them as jobs.

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Which is why they should be ridiculous. We should be able to solo primals with them. We should be able to waltz through dungeons doing a Shantotto laugh because the mobs are fools for challenging us. We should be absolute gods on BLU, to add to the fun factor. It would also make farming old content very satisfying.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

The whole limited job idea was a terrible decision. If they couldnt figure out how to make BLU work in game then they should have just left it out rather than making it a lame mini-game and tarnishing the amazing reputation it had in XI.

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I'm inclined to agree. Would I have been disappointed if Blue Mage were never added to FFXIV? I would, but seeing Blue Mage incorporated in its current state, and for the developers to consider it acceptable, that disappointment is far, far worse.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is why they should be ridiculous. We should be able to solo primals with them. We should be able to waltz through dungeons doing a Shantotto laugh because the mobs are fools for challenging us. We should be absolute gods on BLU, to add to the fun factor. It would also make farming old content very satisfying.

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I agree with you!
But apparently according to SE, the minigame is over.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I agree with you!
But apparently according to SE, the minigame is over.

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Their problem was that they tried to balance it. They shouldn't have tried, since BLU has always been OP in FF history, it should have remained that way.

I wish limit jobs could be more of Hybrid jobs.

beast master for example my ideal away been of dps and pet off tank with pet base size be define by roles for large beast such a t-rex to small be range dps.
puppet master be more of tank job use the pet as more transfer of effect.
blue mage I often thought this should more avoidance tank joy weild two scimitar which is something ffxi beast master use. I know balance of role are hard. this why my hope for limit jobs that they will evenaullty become more full fledge jobs or more of hybrid jobs

I'd prefer if they made real jobs that we can play at endgame.

BLU is sufficient for a mini-game job concept.

Imagine how much more interesting this Moogle Tomestone event could be if BLU was ridiculously op and we could gather together and obliterate old content with crazy abilities...

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Originally Posted by GrindShack

Blue Mage is an advanced job added in Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion of Final Fantasy XI. Blue Mages are capable of dealing heavy physical or magical damage, healing and support, debuffing, or tanking. They can learn enemy abilities that either enhance themselves or deter their enemies.

When there is president for something that line of thinking just makes you seem... Ill just say less.

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Trying to use FFXI as an example for a functional Bluemage in a MMO is a very bad idea. FFXI is a good example of how not to design a balanced MMO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Yoshida or someone else said in interviews that the majority of BLU and associated content was designed by one person that's not even on the battle system team, and that it wasn't going to happen otherwise?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Yoshida or someone else said in interviews that the majority of BLU and associated content was designed by one person that's not even on the battle system team, and that it wasn't going to happen otherwise?

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It did feel like something that it was designed against the will and better judgment of the dev team. The generic cast animations and AF gear that looked like its rough draft version was drawn in crayon seem to speak to that as well.

Ultimately, I still like the idea of Limited Jobs. It's a way of letting players have an alternative experience in the game with things that players wouldn't otherwise get their hands on. The only real problem is that Blue Mage needs its own roulette to provide more evergreen content.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

Ultimately, I still like the idea of Limited Jobs. It's a way of letting players have an alternative experience in the game with things that players wouldn't otherwise get their hands on. The only real problem is that Blue Mage needs its own roulette to provide more evergreen content.

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Setting the level cap to 50 instead of 60 might also be a big factor. Response might have been more favorable if people could have run Palace of the Dead and/or Diadem with Blue Mage.

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Originally Posted by GrindShack

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...nal_Fantasy_XI) :

Blue Mage is an advanced job added in Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion of Final Fantasy XI. Blue Mages are capable of dealing heavy physical or magical damage, healing and support, debuffing, or tanking. They can learn enemy abilities that either enhance themselves or deter their enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16-sa6DUYrE

When there is president for something that line of thinking just makes you seem... Ill just say less.

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ffxi has very different job design.

ffxi doesnt have a hand holding job system. There is no duty finder, so no job is required to be anything specific. you could have a hexa strike whm/warrior trying to be a dps.

hybrid jobs were normal in ffxi, rdm, dancer

there was less of a strict mold in ffxi. Beastmasters had a very different method of doing things.

point is, ffxi was a fundamentally different game design, where really they could and would design anything they wanted into the system. Ffxiv job design is very centered on being streamlined into how its meant to function in the duty finder and its specific role in a duty group. Just the aquisition method alone would be something they wouldnt want in duty groups.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is why they should be ridiculous. We should be able to solo primals with them. We should be able to waltz through dungeons doing a Shantotto laugh because the mobs are fools for challenging us. We should be absolute gods on BLU, to add to the fun factor. It would also make farming old content very satisfying.

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this is a mistake in perception, when they said blue mage is unbalanced, they didnt just mean in terms of power, they meant in terms of design. % Chance abilities disrupt normal party flow. Access to cross role abilities is fairly limited. Wildly varying skill pools, decided by the player. Synergies.

Also going to be the one that points out that we have not seen everything the limited system has to offer yet. Yoshida expressly said this during one of the interviews he did at either eu or jp fanfest and that at launch in 4.5 they only released about 50% of the content they had planned for blue mage and the limited job system, planning to release the rest during the 5.x series and they would be looking at blue mage feedback more after that.

There should be Jobs and there should be Minigames, Never minigame jobs.

I think it fine have jobs that aren't focus on end game content through I wish that they could be more involve in some content involve the party. I mean many people love glamour I not away fond of that

I think the thing that irks me more than anything else is that the job itself isn't actually broken, or even over balanced for anything that isn't Sastasha level dungeons. The breakpoint where 1k needles falls off is around 40ish. Right around the time dungeons actually start being more than just spamming your 1, 2 combo. Every class at least has its 3 by that point. So it does comparable damage, even when synced down to the other jobs. I've been doing Syrcus runs due to the moogle event. Okay, yes. I can Tail Screw the dragons, and that's funny. But for fighting the bosses, alongside other jobs, with my full 49/49 toolkit? I'm literally just the same as them. I do less damage, but Peculiar light makes the casters super happy, giving them more personal DPS at the cost of my own. SOUND FAMILIAR? It's not like we've had classes specifically designed around that or anything, really...