Alphinaud is becoming a Scholar

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While Lolifilia is a Rogue.

Not sure if this was brought up at any point. But in one of the gameplay reveals from the embargo removal the Trust system shows the Leveilleur and Alphinaud is a Scholar.

Meaning that Alphinaud is literally the only Scion to get a logical job evolution. :rolleyes:

I can kinda see the others. Thancred's lost his magicks and most jobs are aetherial in some capacity; GNB has pre-enchanted ammo he can have made by someone else. Alisaie's is tied into her "finding herself" journey. Minfilia got a dagger as a gift from Louisoix and hangs out with Thancred. And Urianger is ... well, he's archaic and esoteric and mystical and awkward af. Ergo Astro. Assuming that blank space is for Y'shtola Matoya, who's always been a bit of a magicks hodgepodge and it's a good day for destruction.

Urianger also makes a lot of sense as astrologian because it's a Sharlayan discipline - so of course a Sharlayan mage with a specific interest in prophecies will have studied their scientifically-proven fortune-telling art. I'm expect he's had the skills all along, from a story perspective, and just hasn't been using it as his primary class.

As someone who played Scholar in XI, and very much saw it as the mirror to Red Mage, it is oddly pleasing to have the twins play the two Jobs. Not quiet the same for XIV obviously, if anything Red Mage mirrors Astrologian while Scholar and Summoner naturally share a root.

Will he still be using Carbuncle though? I've wanted a fully fleshed out Pet Glamour system for the longest time, and Scholar getting a Carbuncle option (with something like Healing Ruby as a skill) was a part of that...

would have been better if he was a summoner especially with the new summon.

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

would have been better if he was a summoner especially with the new summon.

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I'm still very curious how that's going to work out, given lorewise Phoenix is meant to be a deep dark secret known only to four people, including ourselves? Three of those people can't possibly pass that information onto Y'mhitra at this point, so I guess we dun messed up... Although with the shift away from Job quests to Role quests, and Demi Phoenix being a Lv72 skill, I guess it's just something we came up with ourselves, rather than something with any story attached to it...

Of course, thinking about it, given Phoenix is often attributed to some healing aspects, it's entirely possible he upgrades to Phoenix-Egi with Scholar, rather than a Fae... I believe one of Summoners new skills attached to Demi Phoenix is even a weakened version of Whispering Dawn...

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

would have been better if he was a summoner especially with the new summon.

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I agree it would be great to see him with the Phoenix summon... but I do wonder if it's subtly happened already.

In Heavensward battle instances, I noticed that he was using a Ruby Carbuncle summon. While it's possible it was a genuine Carbuncle, we've only seen it associated with Ifrit-Egi, but Alphinaud shouldn't be able to summon that. On the other hand, we know he'd be able to call on a different fire-based egi - one that must be kept a secret...



There's also a small possibility they could let him take on either role, depending on what is required for the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Although with the shift away from Job quests to Role quests, and Demi Phoenix being a Lv72 skill, I guess it's just something we came up with ourselves, rather than something with any story attached to it...

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Could be that we figured it's safe to summon Phoenix in this other world where it doesn't need to be kept secret in the same way? Although of course that raises issues when we get back to Eorzea and keep using it...

Phoenix itself unlocks at lvl 80 which is a Job Quest so we will learn there about it^

Dang, I have to say, I love the Leveilleur's new outfits.

That being said, I think it suits him, I actually always thought he's be the scholar and Alisaie the summoner (based on their personnality, loosely). But red mage fits Alisaie greatly, and Alphi as a scholar is fine. Maybe we'll be able to change their jobs ? Perhaps we can actually sortof 'level' them (not like the squad but something along these lines) or choose among a few pre-selected jobs for them (like Thancred could be PLD, NIN or GUN ? Since we witnessed him with these jobs in previous expacs)

I don't know if official statements were released about the Trust System so maybe I'm all in the wrong here lmao c:

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Could be that we figured it's safe to summon Phoenix in this other world where it doesn't need to be kept secret in the same way? Although of course that raises issues when we get back to Eorzea and keep using it...

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Perhaps, with Suzaku coming to light in Stormblood though, I guess we could simply pass it off as that, rather than the truth? We met an actual live Phoenix, rather than some phony summoned one, although that does call into question how we got Primal-Phoenix aether to build a Demi version, but I'm sure the layman doesn't know Summoners mechanics in that detail anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

Phoenix itself unlocks at lvl 80 which is a Job Quest so we will learn there about it^

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Firebird Trance is Lv72 though, no? I guess that's not technically a summoning, but it's still us deciding to use Phoenix aether in exactly the same way we ended up using Bahamut aether, without guidance.

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

Maybe we'll be able to change their jobs ? Perhaps we can actually sortof 'level' them (not like the squad but something along these lines) or choose among a few pre-selected jobs for them (like Thancred could be PLD, NIN or GUN ? Since we witnessed him with these jobs in previous expacs)

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Hmm... potentially they could all be able to swap into jobs with different roles so you can pick your favourites rather than being limited to strict choices per role? Everyone who has changed job so far has picked up a different role to what they were doing previously.



Also I wonder if they'll have different conversations depending on which characters you take. My only other experience with a story-focused multiplayer game was Ratchet & Clank one multiplayer story, which had a fantastic detail where characters would have conversations that only played out properly if you had all of them together. So if you went through it with two particular characters, you might get a short conversation between them. Play with the right third character, and you'd get the same conversation but the third character joins in at the end and it goes on longer. All four were needed for the full 'scene' to play out.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Perhaps, with Suzaku coming to light in Stormblood though, I guess we could simply pass it off as that, rather than the truth? We met an actual live Phoenix, rather than some phony summoned one, although that does call into question how we got Primal-Phoenix aether to build a Demi version, but I'm sure the layman doesn't know Summoners mechanics in that detail anyway.



Firebird Trance is Lv72 though, no? I guess that's not technically a summoning, but it's still us deciding to use Phoenix aether in exactly the same way we ended up using Bahamut aether, without guidance.

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According to Larryzaur Phoenix itself spawns at lvl 80. So i guess we have phoenixes aether since the Coils arc or something[?]

I told my friends during the benchmark trailer that he was using broil 3 and was most likely a sch in the trust system. They all said I was grasping at straws. Oh time to make them eat crow.

Also I honestly think that Urianger should have been the sch. Has the man even seen the night sky enough to be an astrologian? Last time I checked he lived in the waking sands next to a pile of books.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

As someone who played Scholar in XI, and very much saw it as the mirror to Red Mage, it is oddly pleasing to have the twins play the two Jobs. Not quiet the same for XIV obviously, if anything Red Mage mirrors Astrologian while Scholar and Summoner naturally share a root.

Will he still be using Carbuncle though? I've wanted a fully fleshed out Pet Glamour system for the longest time, and Scholar getting a Carbuncle option (with something like Healing Ruby as a skill) was a part of that...

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In one of the media videos,we see Alphinaud with a white carbuncle.
https://youtu.be/pKxXmaJ-iJg?t=100

I guess it makes sense of Urianger to be an AST. He always liked reading ancient text, especially ones containing prophecies and part of Astromancy is reading the stars and land to predict possible future events.

From a gameplay perspective, I expected Minfilia to be a DNC or another support dps since it seems like we like a support dps Trust npc from what we've seen so far. Though, I can see Thancred, being a dagger-user, teaching Minfilia how to use daggers since she was also gifted a dagger.

So far, Thancred is the only tank of the Scions. Hopefully in future patches we'll get more Trust npcs to choose from. The Scions are fine, but I've always been more fond of the other npcs such as Arenvald, Hoary, Ocher, etc.

Minfillia... She is Back, My lovely Damsel in Distress
But why NIN?

My God... The Scions Need to Recruit more ppl, I would love new Scions, more Guys plz

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Hmm... potentially they could all be able to swap into jobs with different roles so you can pick your favourites rather than being limited to strict choices per role? Everyone who has changed job so far has picked up a different role to what they were doing previously.



Also I wonder if they'll have different conversations depending on which characters you take. My only other experience with a story-focused multiplayer game was Ratchet & Clank one multiplayer story, which had a fantastic detail where characters would have conversations that only played out properly if you had all of them together. So if you went through it with two particular characters, you might get a short conversation between them. Play with the right third character, and you'd get the same conversation but the third character joins in at the end and it goes on longer. All four were needed for the full 'scene' to play out.

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From Ethys's video on Dohn Mheg yes the Trust allies will have dialouge in the Say chat, though I didn't actually start paying attention to that part till near the halfway point. I don't know if they get actual conversations though. Alisae was the most chatty of his group which included Thancred and Alphinaud. Also Trusts have some special ways of dealing with certain situations that players can't do (Poor Dragoons. Can jump so high but can't cross a three for bottomless pit.)

On the topic itself I honestly always thought Alphinaud would be either an Arcanist or Scholar. The more surprising thing to me is that Minfillia will actually be fighting with us. People can't complain about her not doing that anymore atleast.

With the npc jobs in mind, I like to headcanon that Thancred went tank so he could carry his daughter through the game, letting her play her way which is why Minfilia hasn't done her ninja quests to upgrade to a job, and if anyone in a dungeon tries to call her out for being a rogue at level 70, Thancred and her will just vote kick them.

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Originally Posted by CienFleur

Minfillia... She is Back, My lovely Damsel in Distress
But why NIN?

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She forgot to equip job stone, so she's just a rogue.

All the videos of the new dungeon show that they also use their skills in a very in-character way! It's pretty great. I laughed at Alisaie charging across the bottomless pit while Urianger waits for someone else to cross before using them to move himself...and Thancred just uses shukuchi.

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Originally Posted by myahele

In one of the media videos,we see Alphinaud with a white carbuncle.
https://youtu.be/pKxXmaJ-iJg?t=100

I guess it makes sense of Urianger to be an AST. He always liked reading ancient text, especially ones containing prophecies and part of Astromancy is reading the stars and land to predict possible future events.

From a gameplay perspective, I expected Minfilia to be a DNC or another support dps since it seems like we like a support dps Trust npc from what we've seen so far. Though, I can see Thancred, being a dagger-user, teaching Minfilia how to use daggers since she was also gifted a dagger.

So far, Thancred is the only tank of the Scions. Hopefully in future patches we'll get more Trust npcs to choose from. The Scions are fine, but I've always been more fond of the other npcs such as Arenvald, Hoary, Ocher, etc.

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Hold up. Did they make the trust system and plan it so everyone is in character. Bc I saw what happened with Alphinaud against that boss fight and it was endlessly adorable.

I am kind of bummed that he won't be SMN considering Phoenix, but ah well. I really like Rogue Minfilia because of her bond with Thancred.

Again on trusts in general but I'm watching Very Merri's vid on them now and yes, not only do the characters have voiced dialogue but they can have conversations atleast in Say chat with each other, which will change based on who you bring with you.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Again on trusts in general but I'm watching Very Merri's vid on them now and yes, not only do the characters have voiced dialogue but they can have conversations atleast in Say chat with each other, which will change based on who you bring with you.

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I am curious if they may go full Dragon Age Origin party banter with this.

(Romance banter not included :p)

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Originally Posted by Anselmet

Hold up. Did they make the trust system and plan it so everyone is in character. Bc I saw what happened with Alphinaud against that boss fight and it was endlessly adorable.

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I admit as a Healer main, my first thought upon seeing Alphinaud slowly inch across the chasm was "I wonder what would happen if I Rescued him across".

They also will say things if one of them dies. The ones I've seen aren't sure if Alisaie was programed to die a lot to show that yes they will raise during a fight or if that's going to be how she normally will be. Though I did watch the party bars for part of Ethys's time with them and I saw two of them have esuna-able poison and all Alphinaud did was spam succor. They also move or try to move out of aoes so they're smarter than squads some what. Also as they seem to have been programed with their personalities it seems Minfillia will allow you time to use the Limit Break meanwhile Alisiae seems to do a very much her kind of thing to do and use it once both bars are charged.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

They also will say things if one of them dies. The ones I've seen aren't sure if Alisaie was programed to die a lot to show that yes they will raise during a fight or if that's going to be how she normally will be. Though I did watch the party bars for part of Ethys's time with them and I saw two of them have esuna-able poison and all Alphinaud did was spam succor. They also move or try to move out of aoes so they're smarter than squads some what. Also as they seem to have been programed with their personalities it seems Minfillia will allow you time to use the Limit Break meanwhile Alisiae seems to do a very much her kind of thing to do and use it once both bars are charged.

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They are all in character which is great becuase they do some interesting and funny things when it comes to Boss mechanics.

Depending on the character, they may even skip the Mechanic due to their personality.

Found this video providing examples...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb44K-nzZys

I will laugh how Thancred will get annoyed by a boss mechanic and just skip it half way through while Urianger just skips the mechanic all together because he is being his usual self.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I admit as a Healer main, my first thought upon seeing Alphinaud slowly inch across the chasm was "I wonder what would happen if I Rescued him across".

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Unfortunately unless Alphi can switch between Scholar and Summoner you (I think?) won't be able to go in with him as a healer.

That said Minfillia does a similar thing, you could always try with her. Or troll one of the other three and see their reaction >> << >>

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Originally Posted by Nalien

So looking at it, it seems Alphinaud is more of a Scholar/Summoner hybrid?

His Carbuncle, for example, seems to be playing by old Garuda-Egi rules with its attacks, rather than playing by Fae rules. He also still has access to Miasma, and I even saw him throw out Tri-Disaster.

I suppose its fitting, all things considered, plus with how Trusts work, damage is going to be on the low side, so it makes sense to buff some of their offensive capabilities (similarly, Minfilia seems to have access to a longer duration Trick Attack, plus in-combat Hide). That said, I think it's a shame to have actually given them existing Class/Job names... Given they are indeed playing by slightly different rules, it would have been a nice nod to some of the other Final Fantasy Jobs that almost certainly aren't going to be added to the game, in a similar way to how the Warriors of Darkness did things. Urianger could be an Oracle, for example, Alphinaud a Sage or Envoker. Doesn't work for all of them, of course, Alisaie is very much a Red Mage, Thancred a Gunbreaker, but for the ones who are mechanically different and unique? Would be a nice nod to Jobs we're not likely to get, they're too similar to existing Jobs, but that just makes it perfect to apply the names to the Trusts who are similar to existing Jobs, but not quiet the same.

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To be fair yes he is a bit of a mix, and he isn't the only one. Thancred still has access to some of his Ninja moves like the movement ability for example, Y'shtola will probably still have access to her heals and Collective Unconscious. Urianger can also use Black Mage's teleport.

So looking at it, it seems Alphinaud is more of a Scholar/Summoner hybrid?

His Carbuncle, for example, seems to be playing by old Garuda-Egi rules with its attacks, rather than playing by Fae rules. He also still has access to Miasma, and I even saw him throw out Tri-Disaster.

I suppose its fitting, all things considered, plus with how Trusts work, damage is going to be on the low side, so it makes sense to buff some of their offensive capabilities (similarly, Minfilia seems to have access to a longer duration Trick Attack, plus in-combat Hide). That said, I think it's a shame to have actually given them existing Class/Job names... Given they are indeed playing by slightly different rules, it would have been a nice nod to some of the other Final Fantasy Jobs that almost certainly aren't going to be added to the game, in a similar way to how the Warriors of Darkness did things. Urianger could be an Oracle, for example, Alphinaud a Sage or Envoker. Doesn't work for all of them, of course, Alisaie is very much a Red Mage, Thancred a Gunbreaker, but for the ones who are mechanically different and unique? Would be a nice nod to Jobs we're not likely to get since they're too similar to existing Jobs, but that just makes it perfect to apply the names to the Trusts who are similar to existing Jobs, but not quiet the same.

So alphy is losing his white carbuncle and will have a faerie?
I wonder if he being classified as SCH is the same as the player character. Allegedly becoming a Scholar is very rare because it depends on a crystal to unlock very old knowledge + faerie.
Unless that's only for a gameplay's sake to define him as a healer option.

No, he still uses Diamond carbuncle. The scions and a few other npcs have almost always cheated in what skills they're able to use even if that job for the player can't use said skills.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

According to Larryzaur Phoenix itself spawns at lvl 80. So i guess we have phoenixes aether since the Coils arc or something[?]

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We have Bahamut Aether due to the Calamity. In the Flames of Truth Cinematic, we see that Bahamut was defeated by Louisoix and it is only later we learn that he became the entity known as the phoenix. At the end of that Cinematic though, Louisoix and Bahamut both disperse into Aether that is then showered over Eorzea.

When we attuned to Bahamut we went to Cartenou to evoke it. It is not a stretch to assume that when we absorbed the residual Bahamut Aether, we also absorbed Phoenix Aether as both were dispersed at the same time. I think that there is a line in either the coil questline or the lore book that affirms that the only reason Eorze recovered so quickly was due to the rebirth and rejuvenation aspect to Phoenix's Aether and that it embued the entirety of Eorzea - it is therefore not a stretch that this is how we gain firebird trance. It was always there, dormant beneath the Bahamut aether we already use. Of course, based on this, it is arguably plausible that someday we will get Shinryu as a demi summon also. Though - to caveat that, there is also a large range of candidates for our next summon. But only those we HAVE to face I think can and are candidates.

I'm so looking forward to going into the dungeons with them!
When the Trust system was first introduced I thought I wouldn't use it anyway and it was more something for players who don't like doing dungeons with strangers. I won't be able to do the dungeons with my boyfriend, but well, we can still do everything else together in-game. ^^

But reading how the characters have dialogue and behave according to their personality in the dungeons makes me want to try out all the different combinations.
And the menu when choosing them reminds me of the old FF games. The whole Trust system reminds me of them.

I haven't watched any of the videos with the Trust system yet to not spoiler everything for me, but does anyone know if you can get loot if you do dungeons with them, like with the squadron?

And I also want to have a carbuncle as SCH. Why does Alphinaud get one and I, as the WoL, can't have one?

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Originally Posted by Limonia

I haven't watched any of the videos with the Trust system yet to not spoiler everything for me, but does anyone know if you can get loot if you do dungeons with them, like with the squadron?

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I haven't watched all of the available videos, and I'm pretty sure for the Media Tour all the loot was changed to a generic "Potion" but I'm pretty positive that the loot goes to you and you alone. Ah, here's the interview I got this from: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...TSZ3M1S5o_hgg/

and the questions relevant:

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So if we go solo with Trust NPCs, how will the rewards from the treasure chests be distributed?
The feature will remain the same as the Light Party setup. In the case of going solo with Trust NPCs, just imagine having a treasure chest and the equipment drop rate being ¼. However, you’ll definitely obtain at least one piece of equipment after defeating the last boss of the dungeon.
Will items other than equipments drop from normal treasure chest as well?
That will be the case. Though our internal team have discussed how to handle problems like this several times, but I can imagine everyone will hate on Thancred if he manage to win the draw every single time and obtain every single piece of equipment here, so we can’t let that happen and made it this way (laughs). After all, it’ll be a problem if we program Trust system to be overly efficient so I feel bad for saying this, but we have made adjustments with considerations to its overall balance.

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Unofficial translation, grain of salt, etc.

Interesting thought on the loot. I could see it being managed as "the other party members always roll Greed" so you can maybe still claim things you need, but anything else is a 1-in-4 chance.

Either that or a forced "All Greed" rule.

If Alisae's use of the LB is any indication she'd always hit Need for mage dps gear too.

I would love it if they sometimes got new gear drops and actually used it.

Alphinaud: Cool, a new katana. I can sell those. They are apparently super expensive.
Alisaie: You DO know the warrior of Light can use those, right?
Alphinaud: He already got a katana from the last dungeon. This one is mine.