I’m curious..how often does Yoshi ACTUALLY listen and answer to requests here?

Because to be honest, I’m not seeing very many questions being answered that are from the forums. I know he and his team are Japanese, but I have no doubt they have someone there who speaks some English.

Idk, to me, seems like 90% of posts and requests here are either ignored, or are greeted with the same answer: “We can’t do that. We would have to rebuild the graphics engine.”, etc

Maybe Yoshi just does what he wants, idk

The JP player base is usually more in touch with him than we are. When we have questions it's either ridiculous requests or they somehow get lost in translation most of the time. But yeah, the devs' favorite excuse is server or hardware limitations otherwise. After so long you begin to wonder if it's actually true.

Of course they listen to us silly. When we asked for more Eureka loud and proud, SE delivered!

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Of course they listen to us silly. When we asked for more Eureka loud and proud, SE delivered!

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What was heard.

Reality:

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Its harder for us to communicate and get answers quickly when there is a language barrier between us.

Its not like we could just tweet him and get an answer like with say blizzard. Although they aren't the best example as of late.

Feedback is gathered from all regions, so long as it is voiced in a constructive manner.

Here? Almost never.
Even on the JP side, almost never. There are community reps that take feedback, submit it, then it gets translated and given off to someone who might give it to Yoshida if approved. Maybe.

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Here? Almost never.
Even on the JP side, almost never. There are community reps that take feedback, submit it, then it gets translated and given off to someone who might give it to Yoshida if approved. Maybe.

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The devs may chime in in a thread over there, because they can easily communicate, but those answers there are usually translated and then posted in a thread on a similar/same subject here as well. But actual like, game changing feedback where people say "we want this" almost never. Sometimes they will add stuff though, see Lord of Verminion, the male bunny suits, Viera and the Ronso dudes. All those were heavily requested things.

Back in 1.x days he used to check the forums a lot. Now it feels more disconnected.

It's reasonable to assume that people are reading this stuff, just not the stuff you might imagine.

And It's Yoshida's translator Koji who most likely reads a bulk of the forum stuff to take notes and relay back to the proper channels.

There is also the forums mods; who i presume do a lot of the sifting & gathering of information for Koji to translate for Yoshida.

But by-and-large the General Discussion sections aren't likely targeted as much or flagged as places where important information gets posted in by players, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Staff tend to treat GD-section as the "Rant" section, and the other sections being deemed more important for them to actively watch and respond to.

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It's reasonable to assume that people are reading this stuff, just not the stuff you might imagine.

And It's Yoshida's translator Koji who most likely reads a bulk of the forum stuff to take notes and relay back to the proper channels.

There is also the forums mods; who i presume do a lot of the sifting & gathering of information for Koji to translate for Yoshida.

But by-and-large the General Discussion sections aren't likely targeted as much or flagged as places where important information gets posted in by players, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Staff tend to treat GD-section as the "Rant" section, and the other sections being deemed more important for them to actively watch and respond to.

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To be fair, looking at some of the posts i see in GD... I wouldn't bother either.

To be fair, "General Discussion" is just that - general discussion. It is not the go-to place for constructive feedback. There are other sections of the forums for some of these topics.

Want to talk about the lack of a healer role for 5.0? Try the Healer Roles.
Want to talk about free companies getting the shaft for world shuffling and no compensation at all? Try the Companies section.
Want to discuss the lack of appealing forum bans? Have a friend(s) start a topic in the Feedback section of the forums.
Want to give feedback on how much you love Eureka and relics being there? Show your support in Other Battle Systems.

It'd probably help if topics were largely consolidated. I'd assume a thread with 100+ with maximum posts per page would garner a lot more attention than a couple of people spamming the same topic in new threads everyday. It'd also give a better environment for people to post feedback for both pros and cons and not have to look at multiple threads for the general feeling of a region toward the topic.

It'd also be great if people took the time to research if their questions have been asked, and answered, in the past; like that updated graphics when thread.

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To be fair, "General Discussion" is just that - general discussion. It is not the go-to place for constructive feedback. There are other sections of the forums for some of these topics.

Want to talk about the lack of a healer role for 5.0? Try the Healer Roles.
Want to talk about free companies getting the shaft for world shuffling and no compensation at all? Try the Companies section.
Want to discuss the lack of appealing forum bans? Have a friend(s) start a topic in the Feedback section of the forums.
Want to give feedback on how much you love Eureka and relics being there? Show your support in Other Battle Systems.

It'd probably help if topics were largely consolidated. I'd assume a thread with 100+ with maximum posts per page would garner a lot more attention than a couple of people spamming the same topic in new threads everyday. It'd also give a better environment for people to post feedback for both pros and cons and not have to look at multiple threads for the general feeling of a region toward the topic.

It'd also be great if people took the time to research if their questions have been asked, and answered, in the past; like that updated graphics when thread.

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I believe it has been stated before that the community team pools a list of topics and posts with the most likes/posts and forwards that to the dev team. So essentially, when people make 300000 topics about the same thing thinking that that is how they get dev attention, nope, you are actually making sure you get no attention instead.

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Because to be honest, I’m not seeing very many questions being answered that are from the forums. I know he and his team are Japanese, but I have no doubt they have someone there who speaks some English.

Idk, to me, seems like 90% of posts and requests here are either ignored, or are greeted with the same answer: “We can’t do that. We would have to rebuild the graphics engine.”, etc

Maybe Yoshi just does what he wants, idk

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Once a week Yoshi gets a transcript of the most popular threads of the week on the European and English forum translated, I was told this when I went to a meetup.
So he does read our threads, but he rarely writes an official message.

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To be fair, "General Discussion" is just that - general discussion. It is not the go-to place for constructive feedback. There are other sections of the forums for some of these topics. It'd probably help if topics were largely consolidated. I'd assume a thread with 100+ with maximum posts per page would garner a lot more attention than a couple of people spamming the same topic in new threads everyday. It'd also give a better environment for people to post feedback for both pros and cons and not have to look at multiple threads for the general feeling of a region toward the topic.

It'd also be great if people took the time to research if their questions have been asked, and answered, in the past; like that updated graphics when thread.

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Yeah, we should all probably try to self organize a bit more as a community. The disorganized nature of the forums is something I've taken notice of and the mods seem to give us a lot of freedom. Many threads that would fit into the specific forum categories given to us are opened here in General instead. Responding to hot topics here as a Dev would probably feel like a tense situation given how passionate people can get on the forums. I've no doubt that I've come across as overly argumentative or adversarial to a lot of people myself (my apologies).

All in all, if posters cleaned up a bit more, the important feedback would only be easier for SE to view if they wanted to look.

Problem is most people don't have the patience or wherewithal to join or search for an already existing thread cuz I'M ANGRY AND MY OPINION is the most important and must be heard.

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So obviously if i create a new thread people will flock to mine and no others. like the other posters above have said - contribute to an already existing thread. make it a million pages long. make sure relevant posts with the most constructive feedback to say get tons of likes. that's what they're looking for.

So I'm curious when "not replying directly to you" = "doesn't listen to English audience at all"?

Seriously, just because you don't get a personal response to your Concern (TM) doesn't mean the feedback isn't being received. And just because you think something is a good idea, doesn't mean they think it's a good idea. So if they don't implement your idea, that doesn't mean they aren't listening.

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So I'm curious when "not replying directly to you" = "doesn't listen to English audience at all"?

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Yess

The english GMs really could show a little presence here.

In the german board the GMs writing much more often and interact with the community more. Too bad the german community is only the same handfull of people all the time who shoot down everything wich isn't in their mindset. Hard to find like minded people over there to bring something forward to the GMs >.>

They even had a "News from the dev team" topic, where our german community manager posted some stuff about what the devs were currently working on.

There was this german community live stream where you could play together with the GMs to clear some raidturns (only normal mode, but hey).

Fan Gatherings where people met with the community and the GMs in some pub or whatever it was.

But here in the english board? Nothing.

Some presence of the GMs from time to time would be nice, so we actually know we are not shouting into an empty hall...

Sometimes it may take a while, but I think they do listen.

Take Chocobo companions for examples. You use to have to dispell them if you wanted to queue for a duty.

I remember people making threads on it long ago, and it seemed like we'd never get it. The thread was abandoned and forgotten, but we still got it.

I think that most people just don't pay attention to all the little quality of life stuff that they do that have all been little requests from us here.

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I think that most people just don't pay attention to all the little quality of life stuff that they do that have all been little requests from us here.

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I really hope so, but I am still stuck in these ugly sandals despite the fact that we requested to be able to be barefoot over and over again over the last years.

Some feedback from the GMs would be nice from time to time :x

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I believe it has been stated before that the community team pools a list of topics and posts with the most likes/posts and forwards that to the dev team. So essentially, when people make 300000 topics about the same thing thinking that that is how they get dev attention, nope, you are actually making sure you get no attention instead.

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I know that was the case in things like questions to be asked in Live Letters. However, what is a post with "high likes" if it gets pushed down in a thread because a billion other threads of the same topic appear? I'll tell you: lost.

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In the german board the GMs writing much more often and interact with the community more. Too bad the german community is only the same handfull of people all the time who shoot down everything wich isn't in their mindset. Hard to find like minded people over there to bring something forward to the GMs >.>

They even had a "News from the dev team" topic, where our german community manager posted some stuff about what the devs were currently working on.

There was this german community live stream where you could play together with the GMs to clear some raidturns (only normal mode, but hey).

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Well they used to, but now its rather silent as well... the streams did OS the last time i wanted to join and the last stream was when we tried smt as a BLU group (which i got in as NO ONE wanted lol) and there still time was a problem. Idk the streams are nice but why is it that hard to just sit there and play an hour or two...


Over all the "we've ready your posts and will submit them" messages got fewer and fewer, I was actually suprised gettin a response for the Urgarmax or Bluemage glich...

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Because to be honest, I’m not seeing very many questions being answered that are from the forums.

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That's simple: the forums are not a Q&A platform.
GMs and Community Managers only post stuff to relay something about very important topics, and that's it.

As for the suggestions and feedback, it's up to the community to stop being toxic and stop creating dozens of threads on the same subject while finally trying to use the forum's sub-categories.
But the vocal minority who uses the forums have yet to understand that.

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I really hope so, but I am still stuck in these ugly sandals despite the fact that we requested to be able to be barefoot over and over again over the last years.

Some feedback from the GMs would be nice from time to time :x

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They do reply from time to time, but like, I don't think that's what people want. There is no patience. We're spoiled and want a response right now. XD

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That particular piece of feedback has already been answered too.
It's okay to ask for answers over the feedback we provide, but we should at least listen when they are provided.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I really hope so, but I am still stuck in these ugly sandals despite the fact that we requested to be able to be barefoot over and over again over the last years.

Some feedback from the GMs would be nice from time to time :x

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I mean, it took literally years for the chocobo thing to get put in, and if I recall the only response we got about it was when people asked during the Live letters.

They do reply from time to time, but like, I don't think that's what people want. There is no patience. We're spoiled and want a response right now. XD

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Idk, to me, seems like 90% of posts and requests here are either ignored

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To be fair...

Would you respond to 90% of the posts on these forums?

When there's such well presented arguments like "Remove unskippable cutscenes from MSQ Roulette because newbies don't matter as much as me"

Anyway, they do receive feedback. Both in the form of GM's translating and sending through the most notable threads. As well as during interviews such as the recent Mr Happy one with Yoshida where MH was asked "Well, how are people from X region responding to things?"

Like, a notable thing from that interview was that Yoshida made reference to the fact that some people preferred the ARR/HW Relic grinds compared to the Eureka one. Which, as far as I'm aware, only became a very prominent point in the English forums (Specifically, the General Discussion forum. Since, for reasons I don't quite know, English speaking folks have a weird aversion for sub-forums. Like, not only this game, but many other games, always 90% of the users only interact with General Discussion leaving all the actual specific sub-forums dead)

They have brought up feedback from the English forums before in interviews and live letters so clearly the CMs are gathering feedback from these forums. Hell, in just the last fanfest Yoshi P directly asked Mr Happy who was interviewing him what the early feedback on the gender locked races was on the English forums so it isn't like he isn't interested.

Devs have the job of developing. They put in a lot of hours doing that. Yoshi P is Producer and Director so he is doing two jobs too. It is understandable that he doesn't personally spend a great deal of time on the forums, particularly with the language barrier.

It is also worth mentioning that technically limitations don't just go away. If something was a technical limitation before it quite possibly still is. The sandles rather than bare feet is a good example. I am no 3D artist but I did have a friend who played FF14 who is and tried in vain to explain it to me why it is likely like that so there is apparently a likely valid reason why they don't just change it. Likewise the issue with the Genderlock. I don't like it but resource limitations make adding new races difficult and Yoshi P was trying to satisfy the people who asked for Veira and the people back when Au Ra came out who wanted SE to release a more beastal race next.

It isn't that we are ignored. Its that direct communication through this medium on a frequent basis isn't particularly feasible. Even CMs often couldn't say more than 'We have taken note of your feedback'.

Yoshi himself will depend on how big of the issue is like white raven earrings and thats pretty rare
other stuff like dev request or tool tip errors some people will chime in and go "will tell dev team" that hasn't happen in a bit either probably because been busy with fan-fest and ShB for awhile now

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That particular piece of feedback has already been answered too.
It's okay to ask for answers over the feedback we provide, but we should at least listen when they are provided.

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I know, but that was 5 years ago and the people are still asking for that particular thing over and over again. Maybe they can pass feedback more often than once in 6 years when the demand is still there?

However, they don't have to give feedback over every little thing they pass the devs, that would be silly. But generally they could show some more presence in the english forums so that we know that they are here and actually read the stuff we write.

I'm sure Yoshi-P has time to answer ridiculous questions and forum posts during his busy schedule already. I wont say that he "responds" to us directly in posts, but the community team do likely compile lists and feedback of important issues and requests to present during their meetings and whatnot. If its a rather pressing concern Yoshi-P issues a statement.

I really wish folks would stop and think before the post useless drivel accusing the hardworking devs and producer of "not listening" to them when clearly they do. Just sometimes its not WORTH their time to respond to until it can be properly discussed/addressed.

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Because to be honest, I’m not seeing very many questions being answered that are from the forums. I know he and his team are Japanese, but I have no doubt they have someone there who speaks some English.

Idk, to me, seems like 90% of posts and requests here are either ignored, or are greeted with the same answer: “We can’t do that. We would have to rebuild the graphics engine.”, etc

Maybe Yoshi just does what he wants, idk

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the director of a game very rarely responds on forums in most games i ve played. Not sure why you think thats a normal state of affairs

Since everything here is typed out I'd imagine none of it.

Considering how abysmal the selected live letter questions are, and how out of touch the devs seem to be, even with their own design philosophies... they probably couldn't care less what is said on these forums. It's all smoke and mirrors. Also, most people who aren't yes-men have banned from here anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Though I would be glad Yoshi-P (or any dev) read my posts and requests just like any other player (chocoboorchestrionglasseswithhatsnaelfordissidia xD), I don't think they can read all of each post from each forum. Because it's impossible. Maybe for important issues like bugs and that kind of things yes, but for requests... it's just a lot.

Besides, while they give us a lot of their best and hard work, many other players around here just throw bad things to them. I'm not sursprised they don't appear so often. I wouldn't as well tbh.

One thing to remember is that Foxclan, who is the community team lead speaks fluent English, so if he needed to he could read from the English forums himself. Not saying his English is "great" but he is fluent.

what do you think his work-day looks like?
no plans today, so i'll sit on forum and talk to people all day?
people have such unrealistic expectations...
there's things they can talk about, and things they can't, cause spoilers, etc. So you can't have mods (who don't know anything) sit and answer our questions - even Yoshi himself isn't allowed to talk about certain things, cause their PR team would go nuts; he got into trouble on multiple occasions, when he said too much.

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I know, but that was 5 years ago and the people are still asking for that particular thing over and over again. Maybe they can pass feedback more often than once in 6 years when the demand is still there?

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It's not because there is still demand that they'll magically do it after saying multiple time that they can't. It really seems that you think that because people keep asking for it, it'll happen eventually, even after they already said no. It doesn't really work like that.

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However, they don't have to give feedback over every little thing they pass the devs, that would be silly. But generally they could show some more presence in the english forums so that we know that they are here and actually read the stuff we write.

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Why? Almost everytime there is an interview -especially with influencers and content makers-, we know they are taking feedback seriously. Some official forum posts also openly ask for feedback (recent example being for the GM policy changes). And on some occasions, we'll have an official answer from Yoshida himself or his team. You are saying that you don't want an answer on every little thing... yet it feel like that's pretty much what you're asking for, considering that they do already answer.
What I mean it that it's not because they don't communicate a lot through the forums (again, this is not a Q&A platform) that they don't communicate at all. They do. Most than a lot of other game devs from big companies. Interviews, Liveletters, Q&A sessions, CM streams... Most of that is communication to us, the players. And they often answer our feedback if given enough time. For example: people have been asking for an answer regarding Blue Mage. We now know why we didn't got one. And that answer didn't came through the forums, but it came anyway.

Whatever the case, if you want them to be even more communicative regarding the feedback we provide, then we should start by providing it properly. Unfortunatly, the forums are currently a complete mess.
So, let's begin by questioning the way we ask, before we criticize the way they answer.

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Considering how abysmal the selected live letter questions are, and how out of touch the devs seem to be, even with their own design philosophies... they probably couldn't care less what is said on these forums. It's all smoke and mirrors. Also, most people who aren't yes-men have banned from here anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I mean, have you seen the forums lately? If I was them I'd avoid them like the plague. Also they aren't even close to being "out of touch" with the players. Go take a look at blizzard of you want to see what being out of touch with your player base really looks like.