Some love for Blue Mage

I don't usually post in these forums, but, I just want to share my view on Blue Mage (because that's what the forums are for! yay)

I've played a bunch of MMO's since WoW vanilla (yeah, I'm not an Everquest / Ultima ancient, sorry). Every MMO always try to focus on endgame content only and farm resources every single day, or farm PVP gear. Basically, in every MMO I played you either farm for PVE or PVP endgame. Even if some have some side content, it's not that fun.

That is true for FF14 (aside from the PVP gear part), HOWEVER, FF14 does have extra content that is not directly linked to the endgame, and it's actually fun. Triple Triad comes to mind, along with the Hildibrand questline.

So, sometimes I want to login in FF14, but, don't want to do raids or farm dungeons, it's a game, everyone needs to do what they find fun. I usually ended up doing beast tribes dailies or something. Today I tried Blue Mage, and I just loved it. It's a class you can play casually, do some experimentation with builds, and enjoy the ride of playing it. Did a dungeon run with 4 Blue Mages, and had a blast, since you can spec up different spells, so, no one was the same. We had tank / healer / DPS from just 1 class. (of course in high level and raids it will be DPS only).

I heard some people say it's useless. No, I'm sorry, but no. If you are having fun with something, it's not useless.

WoW had archeology, a profession that is "useless", however, it had a lot of lore content, and exploring the world was something that was kind of fun doing, and by the end of it, you got rewarded for it.

Not everything needs to be a competition and elitist. I loved what they did with Blue Mage, and hope in the future he gets implemented in the roulettes, but as of right now, it reminds me of a cross between Pokemon and Guild Wars 2.

Good job, love FF, best MMO ever. Blue Mage is tons of fun.

GG WP

I'm with you on this. Whilst I don't have a problem with raid focused endgame content (I like it), but something I think doesn't get enough attention is alternative endgame content, and along the lines of things I enjoyed of older MMORPG's - I think more varied content is positive thing, of course, if the content works. It's what I hoped Eureka would bring after Diadem was just...bad, but that ended up being something with lost potential, but they had good ideas for - what lost it for me was it was not engaging enough to be as slow as it was to gain progress, at least without relying on FATE trains. And I give kudos to SE for trying.

I think if they do more with it and do it right then Limited Jobs could open other doors for enjoyment in the game. The fact SE has tripped up before has made me very skeptical about their attempts to add alternative content but from time-to-time they do things right, so it's a bit of gamble when they announce anything on whether it'll be good. But thus far I've gotten a good impression on Blue Mage and I like they've gone for this approach with the job as I've wanted Blue Mage forever and hoped they'd give me the Blue Mage I enjoy and not something too watered down and it looks like they might have delivered on that, even if with some caveats. But it's one of those things that you can know better with time whether it's going to fall flat, once the initial novelty has worn off and there's fewer people on the bandwagon, we can see whether it'll be sustained.

My enjoyment of the BLU content is limited by the limited job design. I would main it if I could. It's that fun. But I can't, and for no good reason. So I won't play it at all.

There's nothing wrong with adding non-endgame content to an MMO. Taking a job that so many people love and hamstringing it with a boatload of restrictions seems like the worst possible way to do this. I would rather have a watered-down BLU that I can play as a real job than this "faithful" version, where dungeon bosses are immune to half the BLU abilities anyway.

I'm also disappointed that the reward for the Carnival is just seals that we can get in other ways. I was hoping for unique stuff that makes it worthwhile to level the job.

They took one of the most beloved jobs in Final Fantasy and made it a way to grind for seals once a week. If that doesn't depress you, you aren't really a BLU fan.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I'm with you on this. Whilst I don't have a problem with raid focused endgame content (I like it), but something I think doesn't get enough attention is alternative endgame content,

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Yeah, Blue Mage kind of reminds me an epic quest chain adventure. Of course, on day one, everyone will be camping mob spawning... so, we should just ignore this, since it's inevitable (and I can say that mob spawning times are NOT that bad here).

It's pure fun as a side activity, and very well implemented. Happy to see content that is not tied to endgame progression, something I wish WoW had done in its prime, but that service got so awful after Lich King.
Anyway, happy FF14 has something for everyone. I never knew I wanted Blue Mage, but now I do!!

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Originally Posted by GrenGarm

They took one of the most beloved jobs in Final Fantasy and made it a way to grind for seals once a week. If that doesn't depress you, you aren't really a BLU fan.

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Ah, sorry, forgot to say, I'm not an FF fan, the only one I enjoyed was FF12 because of its gameplay design. I'm a fan of MMO's.

Played a bunch of FF, but none interested me, I'm more of a Dragon Quest fan when it comes to JRPG's, love that series being DQ8 my favorite JRPG. If you ask me which FF is the best one, it's FF14, and at the same time, it's the best MMO I played. So yeah, I have no emotional attachment to any primals or jobs, just see them in a pure gameplay perspective.

Agreed to all of it! Loving BLU so far. :)

It's kind of amazing how they give us a job with dozens of spells and we use only one 99% of the time after acquiring it (1000 Needles). Square did not think this through very well.

I am really liking it and it feels like having started fresh in 2.0
It sure is nice to see the old zones filled with players once more and new players should surely benefit.

I’ve been playing Final Fantasy for many many of years.

Blue Mage is a lot of fun and a nice change of pace, I agree with original post.

Great job Square-Enix!!

Edit: If I had to pretend I needed to complain, my only complaint is Blue Mages movement animations. They are a bit awkward. Other than that is absolutely a blast, its always been my motto, of you arent having fun, you're doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by GrenGarm

It's kind of amazing how they give us a job with dozens of spells and we use only one 99% of the time after acquiring it (1000 Needles). Square did not think this through very well.

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The job just got out, it's an MMO, I'm sure that once next expansion comes out, everything will be more balanced and polished =)

Happens every time with any MMO online based game, if this is your first game of this kind, well, don't worry, there is always balance to be done. If you compare the launch of 2.0 (not even talking about 1.0), to the current state of FF14, you'll see that the game changed, so, just give it time.

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Originally Posted by BioDio

The job just got out, it's an MMO, I'm sure that once next expansion comes out, everything will be more balanced and polished =)

Happens every time with any MMO online based game, if this is your first game of this kind, well, don't worry, there is always balance to be done. If you compare the launch of 2.0 (not even talking about 1.0), to the current state of FF14, you'll see that the game changed, so, just give it time.

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Funny that you say this in response to what he said.

When FFXIV ARR first released this "spam one button" thing was complained about to an extreme amount about bard. It was ignored, because it simply isnt accurate.

I agree 100%. Was skeptical of BLU when it was announced but it was a refreshing change of pace from the grind of daily and weekly stuff. Was also nice to see so many more people out and about and trying to learn spells.

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Originally Posted by Jaybiz650

I agree 100%. Was skeptical of BLU when it was announced but it was a refreshing change of pace from the grind of daily and weekly stuff. Was also nice to see so many more people out and about and trying to learn spells.

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I think too many people are seeing this as a main Job class, or wanted it to be. Understandable. However, it's refreshing to see an MMO trying new ideas, and create something different.
It's the starting point, more content will eventually follow, and honestly, I hope we have some more limited classes in the future, with special types of gameplay, alongside your usual classes.

Some people don't find this class fun, but then again, some people don't find tanking fun, or healing fun, or bard fun...

That's why I decided to create this board just to say I love Blue Mage, because, in all my years of MMOs, I've never seen a class that was to be played as a side activity. It's gameplay style reminds me of Guild Wars 1, really enjoyed that game. Since you needed to get people to party up, and had a bunch of different playstyles and builds. Your skills felt like a deck of cards. Hopefully, Blue Mage will become that. The first experimentation class.

Just let it flow, and it will eventually be where it needs to be. Again, it's an online game, stuff will change, and the devs already proved that before. The concept is solid in my opinion, just needs polish.

The thing I like the most about Blue Mage is the fact that with an actual spell list and some of those being a higher tier of a certain spell or having different effects gives you customization options in your playstyle. Which is what a lot of players have really been asking for.

And learning spells from bosses akin to Megaman is more rewarding then gear ever will be because it always has a use instead of falling off the next patch.

You have a ton of Crowd Control, great utilities and skills that work well for DPS and Tanking(to a degree) and a great healing burst skill.

And although we only have 49 spells out the gate we can look forward to later patches giving us a total of 120+. Which means it's going to be fun to see which 24 spells we want to have. It's only going to get better.

You feel weak at the beginning but as you learn more and have more effective spells at your disposal you'll feel very powerful. And it's a great feeling to look at your kit instead of your stats all the time.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

Agreed to all of it! Loving BLU so far. :)

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finally a thread for those who like the cls instead the 10+ mimimi threads...

I really do love Blu just because - what other already said in here.
But most of it... that its not focused around savage bla and fflogs. #thumbsup

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Originally Posted by GrenGarm

My enjoyment of the BLU content is limited by the limited job design. I would main it if I could. It's that fun. But I can't, and for no good reason. So I won't play it at all.

There's nothing wrong with adding non-endgame content to an MMO. Taking a job that so many people love and hamstringing it with a boatload of restrictions seems like the worst possible way to do this. I would rather have a watered-down BLU that I can play as a real job than this "faithful" version, where dungeon bosses are immune to half the BLU abilities anyway.

I'm also disappointed that the reward for the Carnival is just seals that we can get in other ways. I was hoping for unique stuff that makes it worthwhile to level the job.

They took one of the most beloved jobs in Final Fantasy and made it a way to grind for seals once a week. If that doesn't depress you, you aren't really a BLU fan.

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I'm not really a BLU fan, so honest question: if BLU was a caster DPS like BLM, SMN, and RDM, where you learn spells automatically when you level or by doing job quests--none of the RNG, just complete the quest and learn the spell--how is that any different from BLM, SMN, and RDM only with a blue outfit?

I understand that people who are BLU fans are upset. I'm just not sure that there's a way to implement the class in FFXIV without stripping out the elements that make it unique, or without completely rethinking the model of the game. And while I think there's a case to be made that it's past time to do the latter, like everything else that takes time and resources.

Don't get me wrong, i am enjoying playing the job. It is refreshing to see the lower level areas full again. If this was a job that was released with the initial game, it would be a different story.
But like others keep saying, they made an iconic job side content, its a little depressing.
FFXI was my first MMO, and Blu was done exceptionally well in there. Most of the jobs were overall.

I know 14 is a complete different beast, but this version of Blu just doesn't do the job justice. Yes, there is room for improvement, and a large volume of the community is hoping for that, we are also just scared of what will happen, because we didn't expect Blu to have so many downsides.

I don't care for endgame too much either, i'm currently working on leveling jobs anyway, but i'd love to be able to take Blu into the Duty Roulettes, do a Squadron mission with it, heck, even Guildhests. Its a solo job they say, But, then you need to group to learn a large volume of spells. Right now, its relatively easy to get groups. But once the initial Aww of the job has passed, its going to be how queuing for lower dungeons was before the Duty roulettes were released. Literally waiting hours just for 1 group.
Its just kinda a let down, especially for so many people who Really love this job.

And also, its 50 cap, so you can't solo "farm" anything at a higher level, you can't do higher solo content, it just feels unfinished. Yes, it was just released, so we can have hope they will complete it successfully.

What I love about BLU, it's a fresh air to do something on low level areas (visitting those sentimental places again where you were just starting out) instead of doing dailies/dungeons/roullets/raids every time I log in.

At 47 of 49 spells, I took my BLU to Falcon's Nest and finished up the side quests there. Glass danced some heretics into the icy embrace of the snow drifts, mowed down animals with Glower for the fortress larder, and generally stuck my coeurl mask clad face into everyone's business. It felt good experiencing the game as my favorite FF job, and it makes me want to play BLU through the MSQ. I love this job, I get excited whenever I can run it through content, and I hope they open it up so it can participate in all the things.

Gonna share my love to. BLU is awesome but not perfect and it's upsetting to see so much salt that might stop the devs from devloping this more.

It's final fantasy so of course there will be minigame content, and it's great. The fights are challenging (some a little too challenging), and it's stirred up a lot of engagment between players. How many of you actually have nice chats in DF?

I don't need my Stone spell to look like seed cannon, holy like 1k needles, fira like fire breath, etc etc. I don't need another pointless veneer to do mindless grinding with. We got plenty of that. This is new content that we did not have before, coloseum chalenges.

I bet if it was a regular job, it would be all about how it's not a BLU (we already get this if it's not the CORRECT FF version) and how none of it makes sense. "Bubbles procs into 1k needles? What?" IIRC Ninja has the most actions at 33, BLU already has 49 and I'm already upset Seed Canon isn't one.

They say it's hamstringed by being limited, but it's as free as ever to be BLU and be fun. My biggest worry is that this toxicity will lead SE to not make BST limited. It could work as a regular job (FFX-2) without capture, but Monster Arena would be cool (oh and a besteiary), and Puppet pmaster could fill that mechanical roll in regular content just fine.

Tl:dr BLU is great, the toxic salt is aweful, get over it. Give me any anti-BLU argument and I'll counter it.

"It's toxic to not like my favorite FFXIV minigame" sounds like the words of someone who can't deal with disagreement. Most FFXIV players like the core gameplay loop and would like to be able to take interesting and new jobs into it. BLU's content is either some of the worst grinding in the game or uninteresting solo guildhests (Azulmagia is the most underwhelming thing I've fought in this game despite being billed as BLU's unique final boss). No job is worth sacrificing for such mediocrity.

It can be continued to be developed to meet the compromise of a larger amount of players and playstyles. This is said out of love for Blue Mage. Wishing the current state of Blue Mage to be as barebones as it currently is forever doesn't sound like love for Blue Mage's future to me.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

Tl:dr BLU is great, the toxic salt is aweful, get over it. Give me any anti-BLU argument and I'll counter it.

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Since you asked, I'll bite.

To start with, people aren't making anti-BLU arguments. For anyone who has paid attention over the last two months, they will understand that the issue is with limited jobs. It's important to make that distinction because there seems to be this notion that the majority of those who express dissatisfaction want to see Blue Mage fully reworked to the point that it has almost nothing in common with its current iteration. Spell learning, gone. Masked Carnival, gone. And so forth. That couldn't be further from the truth. There are those who would be willing to make that sacrifice, but I believe that most people would prefer to see aspects such as spell learning and Masked Carnival remain intact. Again, this isn't anti-BLU. This is anti-limited.

Let me pull a quote from another player that is worth reading.

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Originally Posted by Factoree

Yoshi-P has always been an advocate for content for all kinds of players. Remember his reply to the open world PVP question at NA Fanfest this year? The audience member asked if any open world PVP was planned. Yoshi said no, but responded negatively to the applause that followed, stating that while it's fine to wish for content you like, it's not cool to wish that others do not get content they like. I really respect that attitude, but I also think it can be applied to the Blue Mage.

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It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

Since you asked, I'll bite.

To start with, people aren't making anti-BLU arguments. For anyone who has paid attention over the last two months, they will understand that the issue is with limited jobs. It's important to make that distinction because there seems to be this notion that the majority of those who express dissatisfaction want to see Blue Mage fully reworked to the point that it has almost nothing in common with its current iteration. Spell learning, gone. Masked Carnival, gone. And so forth. That couldn't be further from the truth. There are those who would be willing to make that sacrifice, but I believe that most people would prefer to see aspects such as spell learning and Masked Carnival remain intact. Again, this isn't anti-BLU. This is anti-limited

It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.

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I agree, it would be nice if they made it a fleshed out job, and I do not buy that they could not make BLU a fleshed out job while maintaining the learning spell aspect of the job, I do understand that it might not fit within their allotted resources they currently have be it time, man power, or money. I do hope they open up BLU for everyone to fully enjoy but if that is not possible for whatever reason I do hope they still expand on the limited job aspect. It is selfish of me but if I personally had to choose I rather have BLU as it is over no BLU at all or a BLU that did not have the spelling learning aspect or a smaller spell pull to make it easier to balance. I for one have been having a blast messing around with the less then optimal skills.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

Gonna share my love to. BLU is awesome but not perfect and it's upsetting to see so much salt that might stop the devs from devloping this more.

It's final fantasy so of course there will be minigame content, and it's great. The fights are challenging (some a little too challenging), and it's stirred up a lot of engagment between players. How many of you actually have nice chats in DF?

I don't need my Stone spell to look like seed cannon, holy like 1k needles, fira like fire breath, etc etc. I don't need another pointless veneer to do mindless grinding with. We got plenty of that. This is new content that we did not have before, coloseum chalenges.

I bet if it was a regular job, it would be all about how it's not a BLU (we already get this if it's not the CORRECT FF version) and how none of it makes sense. "Bubbles procs into 1k needles? What?" IIRC Ninja has the most actions at 33, BLU already has 49 and I'm already upset Seed Canon isn't one.

They say it's hamstringed by being limited, but it's as free as ever to be BLU and be fun. My biggest worry is that this toxicity will lead SE to not make BST limited. It could work as a regular job (FFX-2) without capture, but Monster Arena would be cool (oh and a besteiary), and Puppet pmaster could fill that mechanical roll in regular content just fine.

Tl:dr BLU is great, the toxic salt is aweful, get over it. Give me any anti-BLU argument and I'll counter it.

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First off, disappointment is not salt, nor is disagreement.

Second off, they could literally have both. BLU could LITERALLY still function as it does and be allowed into dungeons. There are other ways to approach limitations on Blue Mage, such as having certain spell requirements in the Blue Book before being allowed into dungeons. Past that, you can not control people even in normal classes. Had a Monk in Siren Song last night who MIGHT have used Bootshine occasionally and nothing else and stood in every single AoE.

Thirdly, wishing jobs like BST and Puppetmaster to be limited is just mimicking Yoshi P. for one, and kind of rude for another. You'd rather have them be limited then full jobs? Why? Again, they can have interesting side content and STILL be full jobs. If anything Blue has proven that beyond a doubt and it was always going to be the worst of those 'difficult' jobs to overcome. Letting a BST take various monsters into dungeons or a Puppetmaster bring a non-optimal automatons would hardly be either the end of the world or the stupidest thing people have done.

Finally, arrogance is not confidence. Might want to cool it a bit on being so combative.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.

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To clarify I'm anti-salt, not anti-DF-BLU. There's no point denying the salt. I would be ok with a DF version of BLU added onto it. Gut out what makes it BLU. No need for job quests we already go that. Just give it some combat rotation and a limited selection of 20 - 30 spells in said rotation. Non ofthis "let players choose the spells for dungeons but set requirments". Would not work, not what the devs what, and goes against the established design of jobs. I know I won't play it because it literally won't be BLU, but anyone that wanted to fight a dungeon or raid with BLU colored Seed canons can.

I would hope that the majority are happy with BLU or at the very least not callinfor it's destruction, but that's not what I see from these forums or reddit. I wouldn't have made my comment otherwise.

I think the implementation of BLU is very good so far, I'm having a ton of fun playing on it!

My top request would be to allow it to queue for duty finder in one of the DPS slots, even if certain dungeons were restricted.

Leveling it and learning world spells wasn't a problem, but finding groups can sometimes be frustrating if someone leaves the group, and it can feel like a long commitment to form a party until everyone learns the spell they want. Sometimes I don't have much time to play and would love to just queue up for a dungeon for a single run.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

To clarify I'm anti-salt, not anti-DF-BLU. There's no point denying the salt. I would be ok with a DF version of BLU added onto it. Gut out what makes it BLU. No need for job quests we already go that. Just give it some combat rotation and a limited selection of 20 - 30 spells in said rotation. Non ofthis "let players choose the spells for dungeons but set requirments". Would not work, not what the devs what, and goes against the established design of jobs. I know I won't play it because it literally won't be BLU, but anyone that wanted to fight a dungeon or raid with BLU colored Seed canons can.

I would hope that the majority are happy with BLU or at the very least not callinfor it's destruction, but that's not what I see from these forums or reddit. I wouldn't have made my comment otherwise.

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*Laughs in Glowercoloredseedcannon spam*

*laughs in literally 14 abilities you never swap out*

*laughs in illusion of spell choice*

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

*Laughs in Glowercoloredseedcannon spam*

*laughs in literally 14 abilities you never swap out*

*laughs in illusion of spell choice*

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*laughs in content already done and won't be visited again*

Blu imo overall is fun


the early leveling up, experimenting with new moves (getting 1000 needles xD,.. using sticky tongue for aoe pulls,.. using self destruct for jump puzzels etc..)

- trying to solo some (low) dungeons like Hauke Manor at lv 45-ish, trying out other ones with (almost) only Blu comps

- than finally getting the "real" moves to advance better in the theater.. etc. (even if a bit dependant on other classes or higher lv for the PFs)

=> its fun and grindy (
like most content)... just if you hardcore rush thru it (+ obviously looked up where to find most moves) , than its probably over to fast and there is not much to do after you beat the theater (and got all moves)..

=> there should be something like "once you have all 49 moves, a Blue mount can drop from the final theater boss" or something.., Blue is missing an "endgame" motivation once you got all moves (if you could atleast do lv 50 roulettes for tomes or squadran stuff)...

but untill you got all moves, it is fun (just between times a it grindy, but thats nothing new in a mmo)..., but its not perfect, still more a "hit" than "miss"..., just Blu needs more playable content

Blu mage should have been a proper job to for ffxiv. If they wanted to experiment they should've done it with a new original Ffxiv job not a popular job that people wanted. I am very disappointed and I'm worried for the future of Ffxiv. I feel like if this is going to be the future of other jobs then the game is going downhill for me.

if blu would have been a proper job, than it would have had a way less interesting way to level up and not learnt moves like it does.., it would have been just another caster.. (do we really need another caster in SB after getting rdm?)

and we wouldnt have had new solo content (even if PFs are needed at times for some moves)

another caster vs new (solo) content.., dont mind trying out something new than just another caster atm

imo dancer and gunblade are imo popular.. not blue mage (we already got black, white and red mages..., and learing spells from enemies ofc cant work in normal content unless you give it tripple development time.. for just one class)

I don't get why people think you can't have both aspects if the job was implemented as a full job. Spell acquisition can still be the core of the job.
Give it some base moves like a melee combo and make the blue spells be rotated through the melee combos or something (traditionally BLU is a melee caster).

Again, what is bad atm about BLU is not just the fact it is solo, but the whole deal of the limitations. BLU is so limited even its ability to play solo is limited.

I don’t understand why people think BLU being “limited” is the only way it could thrive. Any number of suggestions have been made as to how a full version of BLU could be developed without screwing up balance or taking insane amounts of dev time. The color mages are a staple of FF jobs and BLU has traditionally been extremely popular (polling on reddit for a while now has suggested that Dancer and Blue Mage were the two most anticipated jobs before the supposed job leaks).

Reducing it down to “just another caster” is as absurd as saying “oh, if they implement Gunblade and it can reach level 80 it will just be yet another cookie-cutter Disciple of War”.

There isn’t a great reason why Learning needs to be segregated from having a real endgame spell set. The best argument i can find against it is that it might be annoying for Blue Mages to go have to learn spells every time they level up to stay competitive... but even then, if you are playing as a Blue Mage, you (should) know what you’re in for and be ready for it! Especially if the learning is not tied to luck or random chance (as far as I can tell, learning blue magic by chance was exclusive to FFXI), nobody can complain that they have to fight an enemy once to learn its spell.

If BLU had a solo experience that was actually fun, I might consider that it doesn’t need to be a full job. Frankly, it’s not all that fun. Even when it’s possible to solo something as BLU, it doesn’t really have any mechanics for me to manage or things I need to think about (like almost every other Job), so it just feels like meaningless button mashing to me.

Whereas if it were un-limited, I could have fun playing BLU alongside my friends in the same new and exciting content every other Job gets to play.

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

if blu would have been a proper job, than it would have had a way less interesting way to level up and not learnt moves like it does.., it would have been just another caster.. (do we really need another caster in SB after getting rdm?)

and we wouldnt have had new solo content (even if PFs are needed at times for some moves)

another caster vs new (solo) content.., dont mind trying out something new than just another caster atm

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The devs can make it still learn spells like it's doing now and still do everything that's the same just make it unlimited. Duty finder can be unlocked if you learn X spells and only use X spells other wise you can't do it. There I fixed the problem. Your welcome.

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Originally Posted by Factoree

I don’t understand why people think BLU being “limited” is the only way it could thrive. Any number of suggestions have been made as to how a full version of BLU could be developed without screwing up balance or taking insane amounts of dev time. The color mages are a staple of FF jobs and BLU has traditionally been extremely popular (polling on reddit for a while now has suggested that Dancer and Blue Mage were the two most anticipated jobs before the supposed job leaks).

Reducing it down to “just another caster” is as absurd as saying “oh, if they implement Gunblade and it can reach level 80 it will just be yet another cookie-cutter Disciple of War”.

There isn’t a great reason why Learning needs to be segregated from having a real endgame spell set. The best argument i can find against it is that it might be annoying for Blue Mages to go have to learn spells every time they level up to stay competitive... but even then, if you are playing as a Blue Mage, you (should) know what you’re in for and be ready for it! Especially if the learning is not tied to luck or random chance (as far as I can tell, learning blue magic by chance was exclusive to FFXI), nobody can complain that they have to fight an enemy once to learn its spell.

If BLU had a solo experience that was actually fun, I might consider that it doesn’t need to be a full job. Frankly, it’s not all that fun. Even when it’s possible to solo something as BLU, it doesn’t really have any mechanics for me to manage or things I need to think about (like almost every other Job), so it just feels like meaningless button mashing to me.

Whereas if it were un-limited, I could have fun playing BLU alongside my friends in the same new and exciting content every other Job gets to play.

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I agree with you

it not so easy to give blu the amount and diversity of moves it can AND balance it like a normal job, so it can do all content (and still learn moves the same way it does at lv 60 and 70)

it would take waaay to long to balance it for all the content ...

blu in its way is fine for solo content, better having this fresh content with a new experimental (and somewhat extreme) class... than a new ("normal") class in normal content (as another dps mage)..

a new tank or a new healer (or dancer) would have been more appreciated .. than another dps mage for normal content

and toward the end of an expansion, after we've already done most / all content with our main (or 2) and just redoing it normal content again with another class..., the theater / solo content and blu build is imo fresher..., just Blu is missing more content after you got all moves (something more to work towards like a mount or something)

I think more people would be outraged if it was Dancer than was Limited to a Gold Saucer attraction than Blue Mage imo. I feel people are apathetic to BLU.

But BLU being Limited is still a dumb idea. At level 50, I have to try and find ways to make it work for me, to justify using it after I done everything. There's no point to it. Nothing. People say that it's new and to allow SE to experiment yet they don't listen to what people want or twist it so far out of what they asked for.

Right now BLU is a failed shell of what it should be, they have no endgame, no relevacy and the Masked Carnival amounts to a glorified weekly. Stop saying to wait till its better. We judge on what we're given, SE is treating this like a full release, so I'll treat it like a full release. SE themselves even said they wanted to avoid the "release now, patch and fix later" attitude, yet here they are, not wanting to do anything or reply or even discuss it with the community at large.

Also, I find it funny how people say they want something new and innovative yet they want Viera or other old stuff to be added into the game.

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Originally Posted by Factoree

Reducing it down to “just another caster” is as absurd as saying “oh, if they implement Gunblade and it can reach level 80 it will just be yet another cookie-cutter Disciple of War”.

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Exactly this. One of the most stupid argument from people against BLU being a regular job is that BLU would become another BLM LOL!

No job is as bland as BLM juggling betweent fire, ice, and thunder only. SMN is already different enough. Just look at RDM, it has faster casting spells that can be instantly cast after every other spell and a melee combo. None of the caster jobs care remotely identical to each other. Let BLU become a regular job has zero chance with it being a BLM copy at all.