Laxen-tails hairstyle...

So, Ramza and Alma's hairstyle is available for 50k MGP after you beat the last chapter of the Ivalice raid story. Wonderful! The price is accessible and such.

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It's gender locked! What reason?!

Alma's hairstyle would look great on guys too, as it resembles a bit a baroque hairstyle with the bow, and I'm sure female characters would also look great with Ramza's ponytail.

What are the chances of the hairstyles not being gender-locked by request?

about 0% chance

If enough JP players ask for it, there’s a chance. >w>

For the same reason every other character hairstyle is.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For the same reason every other character hairstyle is.

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It doesn't make sense, there's no consistency in that when a lot of "feminine" hairstyles are wearable by men and vice versa, being NPC styles or brand new ones.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For the same reason every other character hairstyle is.

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Aymeric's isn't gender locked.

I don't think any of the hairs should be locked either... I don't want that goofy ribbon in my hair.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Aymeric's isn't gender locked.

I don't think any of the hairs should be locked either... I don't want that goofy ribbon in my hair.

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Exactly. Actually there are just a few cases of gender-locked styles that were added outside of the default ones.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Aymeric's isn't gender locked.

I don't think any of the hairs should be locked either... I don't want that goofy ribbon in my hair.

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What bugs me with Aymeric's is that his armor IS gender locked so a female character has to buy his armor that can't be used on that character, just to get the hair. The hair should be sold separately.

Honestly I'm thankful for gender locked hairstyles returning. Maybe males will get something interesting instead of getting feminine braided styles in the future. Last good hairstyle males got was the most recent pvp one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a case of "use the item, get the hairstyle for your gender", i.e. if you buy it as a guy it's Ramza's, but if you fantasia to a girl it's Alma's?

While I agree that both should be available for both genders, they'd have to make a whole separate item in order to do that, which I don't see them doing. This is one item that probably won't become unlocked, no matter how many JP players ask.

I was a little disappointed since I found out about this myself, since I was looking forwards of having the more feminine hairstyle on my main.

I thought SE had learned by now that most people don't want genderlocked hairstyles, majority of the ones they've released as of late have been unisex after all.

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Originally Posted by Daisy

Honestly I'm thankful for gender locked hairstyles returning. Maybe males will get something interesting instead of getting feminine braided styles in the future. Last good hairstyle males got was the most recent pvp one.

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Really? I think the braid looks nice on male characters. :D

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Originally Posted by Daisy

Honestly I'm thankful for gender locked hairstyles returning. Maybe males will get something interesting instead of getting feminine braided styles in the future. Last good hairstyle males got was the most recent pvp one.

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I know people's opinion varies, but I made a list a little while back and I think there are more styles suited to male than female characters. (From the viewpoint of "Final Fantasy character design" at least, which is probably where the opinion varies on whether a style looks like it's intended for male characters or not.) But the alternative to releasing some "feminine" equippable-by-both-genders styles is to have every style be shortish and plain to try to please everyone at once, and I think their designs were stuck there for a while. Now there are interesting things coming out for both genders - and "the most recent PVP one" wasn't long ago at all.

If we were given twenty hairstyle options at once, it's unlikely that every one of them would appeal to a you, and nothing would seem wrong with that. So if we get twenty hairstyles trickled out over the course of several months, they still won't all appeal to you. It's almost impossible for that to happen - and if it did then other players' tastes are probably being neglected instead.

I fail to see how it's an issue if this month's addition to the list isn't what I personally wanted. Sure, I'll be a little disappointed, but there are previous styles that are nice, and almost certainly future styles that will be nice. Just not this time where someone else will enjoy it.

It's one item in the game you use it and you get the hair style for your gender. To have both they would of need to of made 2 items.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I know people's opinion varies, but I made a list a little while back and I think there are more styles suited to male than female characters.

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This does seem to be the case from my view as well. I feel that had I chosen a male character I would have far more hairstyle options to choose from. Not because of an unbalanced ratio of available hairstyles, but because it is far more difficult for female characters to find glamours and hairstyles that fit together. This is even worse if they want to have a more traditional feminine look to their character that uses a longer hairstyle that will inevitably clip with their glamour choices.

I have used so few choices out of all the available hairstyle options. A lot of that is due to personal tastes as I find many of the styles just don't look good on my Midlander. This is why I am in favor of more braided updos like the Gyr Abanian plait, and they should look into implementing more of them. Longer hairstyles don't necessarily have to drape down our backs to be feminine.

Waste of 50,000 MGP. I was excited to use the hair until I tried it on and realized they put a bunch of white daisies on top of the bow. Looks hideous, so I'll never use this style.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Waste of 50,000 MGP. I was excited to use the hair until I tried it on and realized they put a bunch of white daisies on top of the bow. Looks hideous, so I'll never use this style.

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While I found the flowers to be kind of cute (though would have worked better without them), I think the hair overall has some flaws I can't stand - like the hair being, like a lot of long hairstyles, lifted up too much from the back and the front also looks kind of odd to me. Unlikely I will use it.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Waste of 50,000 MGP. I was excited to use the hair until I tried it on and realized they put a bunch of white daisies on top of the bow. Looks hideous, so I'll never use this style.

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Alma has that too, it's not something they've added to our version.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Alma has that too, it's not something they've added to our version.

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I never said they added them to our version. I hadn't seen/noticed them on the NPC before. I guess that's what I get for skipping cutscenes.

Still doesn't negate the fact they look terrible.

The daisies? I don't mind them. They give you a softer look. Alma was old school girly anyway. Can't imagine guys wearing her hair tbh.

I'm impressed at how well the ponytail on Alma's hair is animated. Most of the ponytail styles tend to be very stiff and either not move much or move very rigidly, but it flows really well. Even if I'm not a fan of the bow, it's a very well made style.

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Originally Posted by Daisy

Honestly I'm thankful for gender locked hairstyles returning. Maybe males will get something interesting instead of getting feminine braided styles in the future. Last good hairstyle males got was the most recent pvp one.

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I'm sorry but I don't see how gender locked hairstyles does anything for your cause, as the rate of feminine x masculine styles released is roughly equal. They being gender-locked would only mean less options to everyone.

its gender locked to prepare us for gender locked Viera.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I'm sorry but I don't see how gender locked hairstyles does anything for your cause, as the rate of feminine x masculine styles released is roughly equal. They being gender-locked would only mean less options to everyone.

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Before Ramza's hairstyle was added in, the last masculine hairstyle to be added to the game was the new Warrior of Light hairstyle that was added with 4.0. There have been multiple feminine hairstyles that were added in that time that were just added as gender neutral. I don't trust Square to not just make female items and leave them gender neutral thinking that's good enough for both male and female characters at this point. Having the gender lock is forcing them to actually consider male toons.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Before Ramza's hairstyle was added in, the last masculine hairstyle to be added to the game was the new Warrior of Light hairstyle that was added with 4.0. There have been multiple feminine hairstyles that were added in that time that were just added as gender neutral. I don't trust Square to not just make female items and leave them gender neutral thinking that's good enough for both male and female characters at this point. Having the gender lock is forcing them to actually consider male toons.

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List of """masculine""" hairstyles added after 4.0:
- The WoL monk one (assuming it's the one you mention)
- The samurai WoL one (the one in GCI)
- Yotsuyu's brother hairstyle
- The samurai ponytail that resembles Hien's
- The pvp one with the little beads
- The pvp one that is the "feathered"
- Cloud Strife hairstyle (but it's under very limited circumstances - might be available in the future somehow)

I'm missing something? That's more than 1 style per major patch.

Edit: Since I'm already there, listing the same, but for "feminine" hairstyles:
- Gyr Abanian Plait
- Eureka Pyros hairstyle
- The one with bangs and straight long hair, although who wears it is a MALE lalafell (Krile's colleague in Eureka), but it looks girlish

Indeed - and you have to keep in mind Square Enix's design tendencies as to what are "male" hairstyles to begin with! (Would anyone have considered Estinien's hairstyle to be intended for a male character if it just got added to the game as a unisex hairstyle, not connected to anyone specific? And things like the ponytail and 'Samsonian locks' (long straight hairstyle from PotD) are used for male characters more often than for female.


For reference, this is the list of unisex hairstyles available in the character creator (not counting extra purchased/acquired ones):

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...c8e6adb78f.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This does seem to be the case from my view as well. I feel that had I chosen a male character I would have far more hairstyle options to choose from. Not because of an unbalanced ratio of available hairstyles, but because it is far more difficult for female characters to find glamours and hairstyles that fit together. This is even worse if they want to have a more traditional feminine look to their character that uses a longer hairstyle that will inevitably clip with their glamour choices.

I have used so few choices out of all the available hairstyle options. A lot of that is due to personal tastes as I find many of the styles just don't look good on my Midlander. This is why I am in favor of more braided updos like the Gyr Abanian plait, and they should look into implementing more of them. Longer hairstyles don't necessarily have to drape down our backs to be feminine.

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I agree on this - and we've picked the same hairstyle for our characters so you'll also know the pain of the ends clipping through scarves and collars!

(Also I've said before, clipping has been prettymuch the death of the WHM Lv70 artifact gear, thanks to that fan collar that clips horrendously. The dress is going to appeal to people who want that traditional feminine look for their character, as you said - except it's doomed to look awful with the hairstyles that will appeal to those same people.)

In my case I also picked the Midlander face that is a bit rounder - the actual outline of the face is different to the default shape, and I feel like a lot of hairstyles don't sit quite right on it.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

List of """masculine""" hairstyles added after 4.0:
- The WoL monk one (assuming it's the one you mention)
- The samurai WoL one (the one in GCI)
- Yotsuyu's brother hairstyle
- The samurai ponytail that resembles Hien's
- The pvp one with the little beads
- The pvp one that is the "feathered"
- Cloud Strife hairstyle (but it's under very limited circumstances - might be available in the future somehow)

I'm missing something? That's more than 1 style per major patch.

Edit: Since I'm already there, listing the same, but for "feminine" hairstyles:
- Gyr Abanian Plait
- Eureka Pyros hairstyle
- The one with bangs and straight long hair, although who wears it is a MALE lalafell (Krile's colleague in Eureka), but it looks girlish

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You have a point regarding some of these. I honestly had forgotten about Hien's hairstyle (probably because my personal opinions on the hairstyle are that it's just an ugly look) but it was added. As for some of the others mentioned, the fact is that despite them appearing on male characters in the game, they actually look very feminine. It's not a bad thing if you want to have a more feminine looking male character, do whatever makes you happy, I'm simply commenting on the lack of options for more, I guess, western style male haircuts. It seems more of the male hairstyles added in are contemporary Japanese male hairstyles that will look more feminine to my perspective.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Indeed - and you have to keep in mind Square Enix's design tendencies as to what are "male" hairstyles to begin with! (Would anyone have considered Estinien's hairstyle to be intended for a male character if it just got added to the game as a unisex hairstyle, not connected to anyone specific? And things like the ponytail and 'Samsonian locks' (long straight hairstyle from PotD) are used for male characters more often than for female.


For reference, this is the list of unisex hairstyles available in the character creator (not counting extra purchased/acquired ones):

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...c8e6adb78f.jpg

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This is exactly what I'm saying, thanks for posting the hairstyles. Of the 22 here, 13 look like they were designed with female characters in mind while the other 9 are either male or unisex, even if those hairstyles were all intended to be male or unisex.

Well, I don't know, but I count just 7 "purely feminine" hairstyles on that list. I guess it really boils down on what is considered feminine or masculine...

Though, honestly, the ideal case is they developing both spectrums of hairstyles and let them be unlocked, because in the end, this subjectiveness will weight heavily on opinions.

That braided ponytail in the middle, for example, for me it is clearly a male victorian-like hairstyle, a bit similar to the silhouette of Edgar in FFVI.

to be honest race and gender locking of items is literally a dev time saver cas then they dont have to model it for all races/genders even though it would probably only take them like 20-30 min tops to change a few values in the code for it to work its basically just not important so they dont wanna waist time on it witch i both disagree and agree with i agree its not as important as some other stuff but i feel it limits the player and in that regard i dont think anything should be roll,gender or race locked with exception to stuff like AF gear and starter sets (hempen sets shouldn't be race locked just throwing this out there)

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Originally Posted by wereotter

It seems more of the male hairstyles added in are contemporary Japanese male hairstyles that will look more feminine to my perspective.
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This is exactly what I'm saying, thanks for posting the hairstyles. Of the 22 here, 13 look like they were designed with female characters in mind while the other 9 are either male or unisex, even if those hairstyles were all intended to be male or unisex.

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I think peoples tastes will skew the number of styles they find were made for male characters, female characters, and generic everybody. imo:

https://i.imgur.com/FyqJqOT.jpg

blues are what I'd imagine on a male anime character, pink for females, green for either or.

My main gripe with the hair isn't the gender lock, though I can see why that is a big issue with most people. My big gripe is with Ramza's ponytail. Possible spoiler ahead, though if you are on this thread you probably completed the raid.

When the press images for the new hair styles first came out each had two characters with their respective style. In the male version their is a lalafell showcasing Ramza's hair. Based on his angle you should be able to see the ponytail, but none is visible in the image at all. When I tried the style on, I had to adjust the camera a ways to "hide" it.

I was excited, cause this looked like the first hairstyle I'd be able to use in forever. What really helped was that the lala in the image has red hair as do I, so it helped me see it more clearly from the start.

The other half of that gripe can be seen at the end of the raid, when we meet the original Ramza. He has the same hairstyle, without the ponytail. But sadly SE didn't think to grant us this luxury.

While I understand the gender issue, I at least hope we get Ramza's ponytail-less version soon. Maybe make that one gender neutral.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

My main gripe with the hair isn't the gender lock, though I can see why that is a big issue with most people. My big gripe is with Ramza's ponytail. Possible spoiler ahead, though if you are on this thread you probably completed the raid.

When the press images for the new hair styles first came out each had two characters with their respective style. In the male version their is a lalafell showcasing Ramza's hair. Based on his angle you should be able to see the ponytail, but none is visible in the image at all. When I tried the style on, I had to adjust the camera a ways to "hide" it.

I was excited, cause this looked like the first hairstyle I'd be able to use in forever. What really helped was that the lala in the image has red hair as do I, so it helped me see it more clearly from the start.

The other half of that gripe can be seen at the end of the raid, when we meet the original Ramz. He has the same hairstyle, without the ponytail. But sadly SE didn't think to grant us this luxury.

While I understand the gender issue, I at least hope we get Ramza's ponytail-less version soon. Maybe make that one gender neutral.

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I hope for this too. I personally don't like using any hairstyle with a pony tail or that's longer because of how they tend to clip through collars and other clothing, and 100% would have preferred cutscene original Ramza hairstyle to story arc ponytail Ramza hairstyle. This seems a simple change that they could easily introduce if asked since the model for the hair already exists and most of the work to making it fit onto character models of other races would have already been done.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I think peoples tastes will skew the number of styles they find were made for male characters, female characters, and generic everybody. imo:

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That's prettymuch my take on it as well. I'd mark the "Hien-inspired" one as blue though - it doesn't look feminine at all to me.

Additionally, as far as "intended gender design" goes...
- the second style in the second (first full) row is Urianger's hairstyle
- third row: the braid and pompadour are male designs from the hairstyle contest
- fifth row: first two are the WoL's hairstyles from the Stormblood trailer

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I hope for this too. I personally don't like using any hairstyle with a pony tail or that's longer because of how they tend to clip through collars and other clothing, and 100% would have preferred cutscene original Ramza hairstyle to story arc ponytail Ramza hairstyle. This seems a simple change that they could easily introduce if asked since the model for the hair already exists and most of the work to making it fit onto character models of other races would have already been done.

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Yay agreement

Oh one thing that might help make us feel better, though it's a separate topic entirely. Is that in a recent interview egi-glamours were touched on for 5.0. I know it's not hairstyles, but that combined with the bunny outfit, and the fairer distribution of gender locked items, does show that they are listening. The time frames may feel off for us. But we aren't developing the game and have no idea the challenges they face. Has SE met my expectations on ever level, no, but I can't say they don't stop trying.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

While I understand the gender issue, I at least hope we get Ramza's ponytail-less version soon. Maybe make that one gender neutral.

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I also thought that one looked better! Right from the start I thought his ponytail looked very "stuck on" and it didn't sit quite right - so I wonder if they modelled the short version first and then added it.

Tried to make the same color map for the non-default hairstyles, after all they can be accquired as well. The last 3 ones in the 3rd row (scions) are gender locked too.

https://i.imgur.com/bDcMQ5H.png

I don't mind that they gender-lock hairstyles, in a general sense. There are a lot of them total and certain ones will rarely if ever be picked for the gender they're not "intended" for anyway.

What I do find ridiculous is the seemingly random pattern with which they seem to determine which hairstyles are locked and which aren't. The pompadour is available for female characters, while Ramza's hairstyle isn't, for instance.

Very disappointed I can't use Ramza's hairstyle. I bought Alma's just for completion sake. I don't see myself ever using it.

There is no need for these to be gender locked. Alma's may have a ribbon but there are numerous examples of men wearing the same style in times past. Never mind how some significantly more feminine styles aren't gender locked.