Encyclopædia Eorzea II Bug Report Thread

Encyclopædia Eorzea II Bug Report Thread


Sorry Moose and Koji! I found some potential bugs...
As with the last thread, keep things neat, organized, polite, and well-intentioned! It should go without saying,

This thread is explicitly for reporting and discussing potential errata.

PAGE: 250
HEADING: Undefining Beastmen
SUB-HEADING: The Folly of Bias

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In the year 1559th year of the Sixth Astral Era...

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PAGE: 38
HEADING: Amalj'aan


Here, the Amalj'aa tongue is labeled as "Amalj'aan", however, in game the Amalj'aa language has always been referred to as "Amaljic."

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Hihibaru: "A letter you can’t make heads or tails of? Let me see here… Hmmm, this is written in Amaljic. You’re in luck! Just so happens I learned a spot of it back in the day, so as to expand my potential clientele. Seems the contents pertain to… Whoa! People trafficking!?"

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Cenmin: "Ahem! I am fluent in over twenty dialects of both Amaljic and Ixali. I might add that learning the barbaric tongues was anything but simple. Both languages contain sounds that are all but impossible for members of the five races to reproduce. It took many years of rigorous training to acquire the knack, but the rewards for my efforts have made it all worthwhile."

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Originally Posted by Sounsyy

Sorry Moose and Koji! I found some potential bugs...

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Hey, if they're there, they're there! Thanks for getting the ball rolling in the right way.
Now to bite my fingernails until a lore-related bug appears (as opposed to grammatical ones).

(Though the lore book says Amalj'aan four times and Hihibaru says it once. Clearly the Lalafell is in need of fixin'... *looks side to side all shifty-like*)

I've got a small question. The Order of Nald'thal article on page 20 says that "Milvaneth Sacrarium, the temple of Nald, is crowded with pious merchants seeking to curry favor and fortune in this lifetime."

It's perhaps a technicality, but how can it possibly be crowded with merchants if it's still undergoing renovation? If it's only open to Ul'dahns, why not state this?

There is mention of a merchant intending to gain the Traders' favor, but this intent implies that it's a future effort. Additionally, the first lore book reads that "Now, only a chosen few may enter its halls at will, as the temple undergoes repair from the Calamity." It seems to me as though only a few people can get inside - adventurers certainly cannot.

Much love from an enthusiast of all things Ul'dah, and thank you especially for the addition of the Eighty Sins of Sasamo page!

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Originally Posted by ScootPatoot

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I will defer to the lore team on this one for the final word, but I assumed that this oddity was the result of different phrasing reflecting different contexts, and that they just looked wonky when presented side-by-side. When I looked into this claim myself, I noted:

Dewlala doesn't seem to have the same abundance of time Lalai has, so the operation clearly isn't all on or all off, especially considering we see Sacrarium officials actively involved in the persecution of crimes (most notably in the Gladiator story arc). There's also a sidequest which shows merchants are still actively making attempts to curry favor with the lawmakers in spite of the sealing of the temple proper; it's not like Order is going to turn away wealthy patrons looking to craft legislation to their benefit through large donations.

Much like how there are some NPC merchant stalls that are always "on break," perhaps the Sacrarium just always happens to have repairs in progress when you show up. Or perhaps the repairs are so constant that they only allow a certain membership entry at specific times. The citations always come with some specific tacked on. "Only a chosen few may enter at will" or it has had no "visitors of late" or it is "sealed to outsiders". (That last one is English-exclusive, in fact - not even in the other languages.)

But, again, yes, when you put them side by side it does look like a fair place to ask for clarification, so I defer to the team.

(Perhaps the two scholars who wrote these two blurbs are of wildly different wealth brackets and both think they got it right. Fufufu.)

PAGE: 302
HEADING: King Delita & the Zodiac Braves

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At least eight times did the heroes descend upon the land, each time led by charismatic leader who saw his noble men and women to victory.

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The article a has been taken by the Lucavi.

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HEADING: South Kugane

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The western two are comprised of two prominent piers, whereas the eastern ones feature the mercantile district of Kogane Dori, and the Ijin District home to foreign consulates and trading companies.

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A comma that should be between 'district' and 'home' also appears to have been taken by the Lucavi.

PAGE: 294-295
HEADING: Chocobo Breeds / Flying Mounts

There are a few questions I had here:

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Other examples included black chocobos and falcons.

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Not so much a bug in the lore here, but it reads strangely because it links falcons (which weren't bred to fly) with the falcons and black chocobos, which were. I initially read this sentence as meaning that all three weren't bred specifically to fly, leading to more confusion in the following sentence:

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Curiously, in neither of these cases were flying creatures domesticated...

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The second question for clarification centers around the chocobos that can fly. It states that they were bred to achieve flight, but then turns around to say that

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... various magicks were employed on black chocobos to reawaken their latent capacity for flight.

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Did the effects of this then pass down over the years? Was that how the breeding worked? If it was accomplished through magicks, then I wonder if this would be possible in the quest I Believe I Can Fly:

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...it is true that only chocobos black of feather are natural-born flyers

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Finally, black chocobos are a specific breed of chocobos that have dark feathers, and we'll assume that the combined results of breeding and magic made it so that black chocobos can fly from birth.

Black chocobos are also part of a larger group of mounts: flightless chocobos also exist, which seems to me that they cannot and never will fly. Given this description in the book, as well as this section from the same page...

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... at no point did they ever wholly replace horses and flightless chocobos which are...easier to breed

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... TLDR; it seems like the overall ability for chocobos to be able to fly is genetic in the Encyclopædia, when in game, it's stated that some chocobos born flightless can learn to fly, regardless of breed.

I hope all this is at least decipherable!

Nobody tell Koji. He'll start growing mushrooms in the corner, lol.

PAGE: 118
HEADING: Alma bas Lexentale

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Jenomis realized that it was more than just chance that saw his second child a girl, and so did not hesitate to name this fated daughter Alma, after Alma Durai, sister of Ramza, true hero of the Zodiac Brave Story.

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Phrasing pretzels might have ended up with the wrong surname between the commas. If Jenomis is Arazlam Durai, then his daughter would be Alma Durai, and the sister of the true hero of the Zodiac Brave Story would be Alma Beoulve. (The fated first lore-related arrow to the heart!?)

PAGE: 86
HEADING: Rasen Kaikyo

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Roughly translated as "The Winding Straight,"

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Frankly I think "Winding Straight" is wonderful and archaically there would be nothing wrong here but that probably was intended to be strait.

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HEADING: The Confederacy

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In a time long, long ago, when Hingashi was engulfed in endless war, a band of exiles on the island of Sasaki raised their cups to celebrate the formation of a new brotherhood - the Confederacy.

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I think the island is supposed to be Sakazuki?

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Originally Posted by SB Sightseeing Vista #030 - Sakazuki

Its name meaning 'goblet,' this island is said to be the birthplace of the Confederacy, where rival pirates first toasted as brothers and pledged themselves to a common cause. Today it remains an important outpost, constantly garrisoned by sharp-eyed guards who keep watch for vessels that sail the Ruby Sea.

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Like the bard, Alisaie had been tracking the enigmatic Warriors of Darkness for some time.

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I'm absoluty not sure about this one and I might be very well just totalls missreading this, but "the bard" seems to refer to Thancred here...? And at least to my knowlegd, Thancred isnt a bard.
But I'd love someone to take a look at that it and tell me where I went wrong if I did (and who that mysterious "bard" is refering to - is it the WoD-bard...?)

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I'm absoluty not sure about this one and I might be very well just totalls missreading this, but "the bard" seems to refer to Thancred here...? And at least to my knowlegd, Thancred isnt a bard.
But I'd love someone to take a look at that it and tell me where I went wrong if I did (and who that mysterious "bard" is refering to - is it the WoD-bard...?)

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Thancred was referred to as a bard in the sense of being a musician or poet, not the Job. Wiki and other external sources erroneously calls him a Gladiator during the time he was calling himself a bard because of his weapon choice.

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From a quest blurb.

Thancred is a bard ... in the sense that Louisoix was a scholar.

The Gladiator bit is a little weirder. In early 1.0, you had a "physical" level which was attached to your character, and a "skill" level which was attached to your proficiency with a given weapon and the skills associated with it. That's why all of the classes are named after weapons - they were weapon skill levels. Pugilist, fist user. Archer, bow user. Gladiator, blade user. Back then, gladiators used both swords and daggers, and (mechanically speaking) Thancred was a gladiator. Watch him closely in the LV1 to LV15 Ul'dah quests in ARR and he's actually still a gladiator.

He switches officially to rogue when Yugiri shows up - makes a big show of pulling out a second dagger and everything.

Well all the scions are scholars but more bookworm than popping out a fairy and going afk while you let it heal people type. That's partly why all of them have the neck tattoo and why Lyse's was fake as you can tell she at times before the reveal asked questions she either should have known the answers to or understood the subject matter better. I haven't really gone through my book yet so can't bring up possible bugs.

p186 in From Stone to Metal
"It was not until the discovery of bronze - a durable alloy of copper and lead - that bladed weapons began to gradually replace those of stone."
Bronze is an alloy of copper an tin, not lead. Both in real life, and (IIRC) in game. In fact I don't recall lead even being a thing in game...

p 116, The Imperial Garlean Army

Maxima quo Priscus

In EE1, p 179, Social Hierarchy, the quo particule is applied to (and exclusively to) Centurions. However, during the quest A Primary Agreement, Asahi sas Brutus refers to Maxima as a Pilus:

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Asahi: Disobey me, Pilus, and you disobey the Emperor. Make preparations to withdraw--now.

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If Maxima is a Pilus, his particule should be rem, as both Pilus prior and Primus pilus use that designation. If Maxima is correctly labeled as a centurion in the lorebook, then Asahi's dialogue in this (and other) quests should be adjusted.

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This is a weird one. It makes sense to assume that Asahi, a sas, would have a rem following him around, right? But Asahi has been a sas for like ten seconds; he was promoted specifically for his role as an ambassador. Meanwhile, Maxima is a Populares and was handpicked specifically for this doomed mission; quo makes far more sense. However, the game cannot be edited - the line is voiced. Perhaps it would be best to understand it that Maxima is a career centurion but was acting in the capacity of a pilus while serving Ambassador sas Brutus?

Maybe it just shows that Asahi hasn't memorised the actual ranks of the people he's working with... and Maxima isn't going to correct him on that.

There's a difference between being a scholar and being a Scholar. Just the same, there's a difference between being a warrior and being a Warrior.

Thancred is a bard in the traditional D&D sense. In the first generation of D&D, bards were simply fighter/rogue hybrids with very high ability scores. They were basically the original "Red Mage" in that they could do a little bit of everything. There wasn't much in the sense of them being magical musicians--that would come later in the next edition or so. In that sense, Thancred is a bard. He's a wandering vagabond/adventurer/ with knack for fighting using light weapons, who travels from town to town, is charismatic, and can charm people (usually women). It gets confusing because in FFXIV we also have "Bards", who are battle-musician archers from Gridania that weave magickal songs to empower their friends and enfeeble their foes. One is an informal title, the other is a specific class of warrior with a set of unique skills.

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There's a difference between being a scholar and being a Scholar. Just the same, there's a difference between being a warrior and being a Warrior.

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Of course... and then there is the Warrior of Light who is a warrior, not a Warrior. Unless they're both.

That said, the game and lorebook do not capitalise job titles.

I think it's a bit more confusing in Japanese, where Warriors are called Senshi, which kinda means soldier/fighter.

Just got my lorebook 2, and am going through it now.

Not entirely sure this is a bug or just different terminologies, but on page 27, under the saint description for Iustis/Justice:

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Injured on the field of battle, Ser Gafryde spent seven days in the care of a woodland hermit.

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Sir Gafryde grew still then, his story told, a faint smile forever on his pallid features.

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I don't actually know if Gafryde should be consistently referred to as "Ser" or "Sir", or if it's considered interchangeable in Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I don't actually know if Gafryde should be consistently referred to as "Ser" or "Sir", or if it's considered interchangeable in Eorzea.

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I can't speak to that one myself, but the the only "sir" I know is the obviously bad and fake Sir Baron von Quiveron IV Esquire, so the first time I saw a "sir" I [CTRL+F]'d all of them and wrote, "Was this intentional?" lol. Either this one slipped through the cracks because there were two in one paragraph, or it's an intentional nod to Eorzean author error.

More stuff that I'm not entirely sure are mistakes:

Page 121, under the description for Nue:

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Needless to say, this could not be further from the truth, for the fourteen-hundred-year-oldNue is simply a red panda, like several other auspices who guard Reisen Temple -- though their powers are quite different.

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I don't know if it's just the kerning, but there might be a missing space.

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Page 124, under the description for Setoto Seto:

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With the aid of a generous adventurer and the marauder Alka Zolka, she succeeded in finding his soulstone, only to fail in summoning the faerie Lilac, expending all her aether in the process and falling into a state of unconsciousness.

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I was under the impression that soulstones are the core of golems, as described in the sidebar for "Gems and Soulstones" under the Shatotto Shato entry on page 123. Meanwhile, soul crystals are what we equip to get our Jobs, as described in EE1 page 127. This is also corroborated by the "Lilac" sidebar under the same Setoto Seto entry, where Lilac is described as "summoned from her father's soul crystal in an imperfect state".

Are "soul crystals" and "soulstones" interchangeable?

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Page 190, under the "Bill" entry in the Prominent Designs sidebar of the Two-Handed Axe section:

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By extending the haft and affixing hooked barbs atop the heads, Gridanian infantry were able to modify their standard-issue battleaxes into weapons which could withstand the traditionally devastating charge of enemy chocobo infantry.

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Cavalry, surely? Then again, Chocobos as foot soldiers in their own right could also be devastating, as we all learned in the Choco-Meteor Apocalypse of 4.3.

(Did Gridania ever fight the Great Chocobo War?)

I'm pretty sure Soul Stones and Soul Crystals are interchangeable. At the very least, I see them used interchangeably in lore discussions even if they aren't used that way in game. That said, Lore Book I calls them Soul Crystals too.

It also seems that different jobs call Soul Crystals/Souls different things to some degree. The Paladin, Ninja and Dragoon quests refer to them as "souls", the Dark Knight, Monk, Bard, White Mage, Scholar, Astrologian and Red Mage quests as "soul crystals", the Summoner quests call it a "gem" and then later "soul crystals", the Black Mage quests refers to it as a "gem" again, and the Samurai quests call it a "stone" and a "talisman". So it looks like there's plenty of ways to refer to the same thing.

(pointed out by Kanna Asano)

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HEADING: Scalekin
SUB-HEADING: Chelone

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Perhaps due to their formation in an environment of extreme salinity, the shells of this cousin to the adamantoise are remarkably light. So light, in fact, that for centuries the Ala Mhigans would use them as fishing boats. However, after the Garlean invasion, the Empire deemed the practice barbarian and outlawed it throughout the occupied territory, and in a mere thirty summers, an ancient tradition was lost.

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Should be twenty summers?