I don't know if people noticed with all the negativity floating around, but 4.5 might just be the largest patch of FFXIV so far. True, it will be cut in half, but even with that taken into account we will have a massive pile of content.
1. New Dungeon
2. New Raid
3. New Trials
4. New big Gold Saucer Attraction
5. New Rival Wings area
6. New Eureka area
7. New Job
That's a pretty nicel list right there.
4.5 will be huge
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11-18-2018, 11:12 PMBalipu4.5 will be huge
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11-18-2018, 11:15 PMFhaerron
7. New first 'limited' job.
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11-18-2018, 11:19 PMMirakumiJust for now be happy that it is in the game. Maybe with enough demand, they will let it raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
If they put Beastmaster in the game or PUP as limited I would be happy because that means they were willing to try to play with a class they said was impossible from the get-go.
A lot of people have been asking for the BLU and Yoshi told them no. But over the years they softened and released it.
I'm happy it is in the game - It is secured - and they can play with the idea to let it raid - they have that opportunity now as it is in the game now and an official staple. -
11-18-2018, 11:19 PMBalipuYes, yes it can't use Toxic Finder....I mean Duty finder. But instead gives you 50 levels to get, a playstyle we never had before and that weird ability log. Oh and a special duty just for it. Content wise that's kinda a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
But you are free to give me a message when another MMO releases a limited job as patch content. -
11-18-2018, 11:21 PMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirakumi
I never said I wasn't happy.
But it's not a full job, it's a limited job said so by SE themselves. -
11-18-2018, 11:22 PMMirakumiFor now. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
For now.
But Hopefully not forever.
Time will tell. -
11-18-2018, 11:29 PMNarielIts a forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirakumi
They said too many of those skill are gamebreaking and would totaly destroy the content without a sweat.
The whole job is balanced to be a solo mob wrecker and can't find his place in a party. Limited Job is a new concept on his own, Blue mage is part of it and will be forever if he's not totaly rework to be a normal job ditching a year of work to the trash and needing another year to be completely rework. All we can expect is another jobs to be limited in the future cause "we can't make it work like a normal job". -
11-18-2018, 11:33 PMMirakumiIt's not forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nariel
SE told summoners they weren't too keen about ever giving them primal powers.
Yet they have due to demand released Bahamut and even mentioned maybe one day as higher levels go they could tap into the main primal abilities and have them at a use by their side.
These are things you can't say IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
SE hasn't lived by their definites in the past - neither should you cling to theirs. -
11-18-2018, 11:36 PMNarielLore justification isn't quite the same as gameplay balance and limitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirakumi
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11-18-2018, 11:38 PMMirakumiMake it what you want it to be. I'm happy it is in the game. For what it is. I'm standing by it. They put something they said they wouldn't. Now I can hope they will mess with the idea of making adjustments to raid in the future. If you want to be negative nancy - that's on you. But I'm happy it is in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nariel
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11-18-2018, 11:46 PMLambdafishLol, lore justification... SE has always held by the "its too difficult, and real primals are too big and flashy to make sense in XIVs battle system", the lore justification was added into the game to give justification to the design limitation, and so that people would stop asking. Guess what, we got demi-bahamut eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nariel
My theory is that BLU is coming in 4.5 to test the waters and see how the players react and use BLU, and the devs will continue to ease the limitations within reason. Its something different and new, and for now it is being played safe, so saying "It's forever, lets riot" is jumping the gun at best, and straight up ignorant of how the developers operate at worst. -
11-18-2018, 11:57 PMNarielits pure delusion. People will play it the way it is to be played, How do you want it to be played another way ? It will be played in the ARR open world, in the mask carnival and in spell farm party in ARR content. The whole way he will work isn't the same as any other job, its solo oriented class for solo play most of its lifetime they were really clear on this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
Having an enormous flashy primal masking half your team mate screen is still not the same as balancing jobs and bosses to be well... balanced. Blue isn't and wont be balanced for anything but mask carnival cause its the only place he has to be relevant.
As a teamate I damn hate this demi-bahamut, masking my view of the battlefield for "look at me I call bahamut" reason. -
11-19-2018, 12:07 AMSaefinn
I mean if you want to get pedantic, minds can change, especially if they've turned out to be a bad decision. I thought ARR was proof of that. Whilst I think change is unlikely, but I would not be so absolutist as far as change in the future goes. SE makes mistakes, things don't work out, fans complain and sometimes SE adapts to said complaints.
Any system within the game can be changed, granted some would be more difficult and time consuming than others, but the only limitations are "what SE are prepared to do" and they'd weigh the benefits and costs of doing it. -
11-19-2018, 12:18 AMDeceptusBe happy you got this poop sandwich. We know it's not what you wanted, but be grateful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirakumi
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11-19-2018, 12:30 AMMirakumiYou can nit-pick me all you want. But you know damn well that's not what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
I've played this game for years. From Start to now. I've learned to be a very positive person when it comes to SE.
They can always make adjustments to the game and nothing is definitive.
If you want to be the negative onlooker - you have that right.
I am glad it is in the game ONCE AGAIN because SE said it was never going to be.
Which means they are OPEN TO CHANGE.
Meaning nothing is definite and if you can't follow that.
That's on you.
Thank you. I appreciate it because when it comes to SE. I've had many back and forths with them. I am a BRD. As you know SE had many adjustments to BRD and made them into one point casters. Fans drove it hard into them and eventually, we have the BRD that moves around freely now in SB. Many rejoiced. I'm just trying to put into peoples minds into ease. It's not the end of the world. Change is still possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
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11-19-2018, 12:35 AMRizon
Despite SE calling it 4.5 parts 1&2 this is, in reality, 4.5 and 4.6. The timing is right (early Jan & late March) for 2 separate patches. The only thing that connects them is the Main Story line as I understand it. Other then that each part will have unique and important parts. Part 1 will introduce Blu Mage while part 2 will begin the new server set up and world visitation. Most of the new content will be in part 1. Most of the system adjustments will be in part 2. IMO these facts make them 2 separate patches.
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11-19-2018, 12:45 AMSaefinn
I'd say you're absolutely right Mirakumi. Nothing is guaranteed. We don't even know without a shadow of a doubt that it will be awful. I understand there are reasons for pessimism and for concern, as SE doesn't have a brilliant track record, but they also can do things right.
They can rework jobs, they can rework battle systems, they can rework anything they so choose. That's the wonderful thing about software development, any aspect of it can be changed if there is the desire to. And changing minds is a perfectly human trait. -
11-19-2018, 01:06 AMCrushnightits more like you asked for ham and cheese sandwich but get ham and pickle. its half way there(job name/theme of aquiring abilities) but not quite(df restriction and lv 50 cap). now me personally i am going to try it out and see if becomes a new interesting flavour never had before or just a poop tasting sandwichQuote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
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11-19-2018, 01:15 AMLumadurinPlay Black Mage and gleefully stand in AoEs instead of reluctantly standing in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
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11-19-2018, 01:21 AMkikix12Blue Mage doesn't need to be hit by the attacks to learn them, so what you said is completely ignorant of what was said about the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumadurin
Heck, they even spent few minutes on this very point, making it extremely hard to miss. -
11-19-2018, 01:22 AMHyperiaIts pretty easy to make monsters immune to various mechanics. As a PLD I have Hallowed Ground, some boss mechanics cut right through my immunity and kill me regardless if I have it up or not. There are bosses that are immune to my Provoke and Flash mechanics, such as bosses in Eureka. As others have said, if there is enough demand for it, the developers will try and make it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nariel
The expansion and patch 4.5 really is build around the theme, "Give them what they wanted".
Wants fulfilled or mostly fulfilled:
* Vierra
* BLU - mostly
* Ihgard Housing
* DOH/DOL high end content
* Making "Friends" of the Scions
* Being able to play with friends on other servers, its not perfect but its a start and can be refined
* Dramatic changes - Yoshi's clearly been reading more Game of Thrones again (Good thing)
* Addressing server lag / data center issues - yes this one is a mixed bag but there trying for better or for worse
* Many more features to come - 2 more Fanfests to go
As you can see, they are really trying hard to give us what we want with what resources they have. SE took a big hit financially and are now depending on XIV to help them through their rough times. That means they are going to keep us "fed and happy" so we will continue to pay subscriptions, there will be more pretties to buy in the Mogstation, etc. -
11-19-2018, 01:30 AMAstarotha
we can do everything but pvp (ew) and potd up to 50 using pf, we just cant roulette or df atm, which wont be an issue in asia where nobody uses df, but here where everybody and their dog uses df for everything, its more of an issue, im hoping once they see blum being used a ton in partied content and have the data they would need to balance them they can remove that restriction
once that happens pvp is rather simple, you take 10-12 of the most iconic blue mage spells and balance them for pvp, boom done
potd/hoh, if the job is balanced for pve and partied content then itll steamroll those like any other party thats not running around like chickens with their heads cut off -
11-19-2018, 01:39 AMNarielSure its "easy", still they choose to don't do it and make the BLU a solo job to play mostly in a BLU only instance and balance it for this and only this with a weakness exloiting and ability learning gameplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
SE don't depend on FFXIV to survive, mobile apps are the true deal for them and they make far more money than their MMO ever does from them, they publish so many other game with or without it being their license its ridiculous. Just look at how many game have a SE brand on it.
Sure they give us what we hoped to get, don't change the fact they do their way and very rarely go back on already release content. So many complaign about Eureka and still being trash every patch. -
11-19-2018, 02:27 AMSaefinnI think to say "they make far more money than their MMO ever does from them" is an exaggeration, although their mobile apps no doubt make a good amount of money for a lower cost. But Final Fantasy XIV is their biggest grossing game of their biggest grossing series. If the figures I've seen are accurate, then you're looking at $2.3 billion gross for FFXIV once inflation is considered, and Final Fantasy XI is not far behind with about $1.7billion. Final Fantasy VII and its various spins off add up to about $1.8billion. The series itself stands at $25.3 billion - all gross values. When you consider the volume of FF titles, it is a sizeable chunk just for their 2 MMO's, it's $4 billion or 16% of their total gross for the franchise as of March 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nariel
I'd not go as far as saying without FFXIV SE would kill their business, but I'd argue it'd be a considerably painful hit. These figures also perhaps explain why SE were so adament on fixing FFXIV after the massive flop of 1.0, they realise they can give a lot of profit and considered it worth investing that extra time and money into it. But you make it as sound as though the money generated by FFXIV is dwarfed by mobile apps, whilst the mobile market makes a lot of money as a platform, none of their biggest grossing mobile games have come close to what their MMO's do, perhaps there is comparison in the mobile OS games combined, but I don't think anywhere near as big enough to dwarf their MMO sales. -
11-19-2018, 03:58 AMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
Diadem 2.0 ... I mean Eureka comes to mind.