Fey Wind Needs a Buff

Recently I have been practicing pet swapping from Eos to Selene and back to Eos to get out as many Fey Winds as possible during the current Savage content. But after sitting down to do the math on a target dummy, it's actually not a DPS gain at all over using those GCDs on Broil II. I lose ~330 personal dps every time I do a pet swap for the buff, and the buff only increases the raid's total dps by ~340 (and this is only if the healers DPS for the full 30 seconds). This is a bit absurd IMO and demonstrates how badly Fey Wind needs a buff.

Sounds like the issue is that pet-swapping isn't efficient, rather than Fey Wind isn't strong enough. Fey Wind is a decent enough buff in itself, but Selene has nothing else. The silence is awkward to use, and worthless in a load of content, a problem the cleanse also has. What they should be looking at instead is giving us a reason to use Selene over Eos.

If you didn't pet swap and kept Selene out at all times, you could maximize the DPS potential as you wouldn't need to mess around with switching faeries. Fey Wind itself is pretty consistent and you can rely on it to give a buff on a fixed cooldown, especially if we were to compare it to AST's Arrow which is at the mercy of RNG. Could FW do with a slight buff? Hmm I'd say no mostly like as Metsonm stated, Selene just needs help with the entire kit and not just one action.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

If you didn't pet swap and kept Selene out at all times, you could maximize the DPS potential as you wouldn't need to mess around with switching faeries. Fey Wind itself is pretty consistent and you can rely on it to give a buff on a fixed cooldown, especially if we were to compare it to AST's Arrow which is at the mercy of RNG. Could FW do with a slight buff? Hmm I'd say no mostly like as Metsonm stated, Selene just needs help with the entire kit and not just one action.

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100% I agree that her entire kit needs help. I have a few ideas along those lines, and I've seen several other suggestions on how to change her. But as far as Fey Wind is concerned, I think it's a pretty insignificant buff all things considered. They could increase it to something like a 10% buff for 15 seconds, instead of a 3% buff for 30 seconds and keep the 60-second CD. This would make it a much more meaningful moment when you cast it, and would serve as a moderate buff to its DPS increase (from 1.5% overall to 2.5% overall if casting on cooldown).

They should let you have both fairys out at the same time tbh. Easily accessible fey wind and double embrace + double aetherpact. It's the only way SCH will match up to the other healers at this point. Do something SE.

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

They should let you have both fairys out at the same time tbh. Easily accessible fey wind and double embrace + double aetherpact. It's the only way SCH will match up to the other healers at this point. Do something SE.

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That's probably overkill lol. As a SCH main, I think we're in a fine place, except for Selene's kit being irrelevant in like 90% of content. Our heals and damage are absolutely fine though.

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

They should let you have both fairys out at the same time tbh. Easily accessible fey wind and double embrace + double aetherpact. It's the only way SCH will match up to the other healers at this point. Do something SE.

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Selene is great when your gear allows you to use her. I've done multiple Savage fights where Fey Union and Embrace are all the Fairy Healing I needed. Of course your cohealer has to be moderately skilled but using your native kit to heal is perfectly fine in almost all content. You can really push a group forward with Fey Wind alone and the occasional free cleanse is a small dps buff too since you don't use Esuna instead. Selene is tricky because in the right group where everyone is really pushing their rotation she is insanely powerful. In dungeons you can luck out with pulls that are huge but always spaced just far enough for Fey Wind to help everyone wreck the mobs and the runs ends almost before it began. Of course the ideal party is hard to find but that's why Eos Exist especially in early progression when gear is lacking.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Selene is great when your gear allows you to use her. I've done multiple Savage fights where Fey Union and Embrace are all the Fairy Healing I needed. Of course your cohealer has to be moderately skilled but using your native kit to heal is perfectly fine in almost all content. You can really push a group forward with Fey Wind alone and the occasional free cleanse is a small dps buff too since you don't use Esuna instead. Selene is tricky because in the right group where everyone is really pushing their rotation she is insanely powerful. In dungeons you can luck out with pulls that are huge but always spaced just far enough for Fey Wind to help everyone wreck the mobs and the runs ends almost before it began. Of course the ideal party is hard to find but that's why Eos Exist especially in early progression when gear is lacking.

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You don't see it as a problem when Fey Wind is only useful when you no longer need it (when you outgear the content anyway)?

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

They should let you have both fairys out at the same time tbh. Easily accessible fey wind and double embrace + double aetherpact. It's the only way SCH will match up to the other healers at this point. Do something SE.

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If this was sarcasm then I am delighted, good job sir/madam.

If not... please, please educate yourself. SCH is basically healer god right now.

That being said I do think Selene needs help despite SCH being OP. That silence is essentially a dead skill right now.

Fey Wind is great when your party is great. Scholar is interesting because you can literally change your skill set to match the party skill level and encounter by switching Fairies. I dont think Selene is perfect but Scholar is a ridiculous powerhouse of a healer. I can't say we don't deserve to be gimped on the support fairy actions when we offer so much raid utility right now.

Fey Wind doesn't need a buff.
Selene just need a slight rework so that she become a real choice over Eos, without buffing Scholar even more.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Fey Wind doesn't need a buff.
Selene just need a slight rework so that she become a real choice over Eos, without buffing Scholar even more.

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It definitely needs something. I don't mind if SCH takes a hit somewhere else to make up for it, but an ability with an effect as small as Fey Wind either needs to be buffed or removed from the game, IMO. Remember how pathetic Devotion was before it was buffed? Fey Wind is in a similar boat the way I see it. It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase. I just wish it felt more powerful to cast.

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Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken

It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase.

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Well that's part of the problem, need to be lining it up with raid buffs. But I can't see anything helping all that much if you're recasting fairies 5 or 6 times each pull. Feels like a waste well before any potency is calculated. Most bang for your buck is on pull. Possibly recasting during a transition when all raid buffs will be back up for boss. If you want to maximize Fey Wind it seems like you'd need to have a strong co-healer so you can keep Selene out instead of swapping. Without that it's kind of unfair to make any analogies.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Well that's part of the problem, need to be lining it up with raid buffs.

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This is my problem with it. It gets the most value either on pull, or during a transition phase like you state later. It is only worth the cast a couple of times during a fight, and even in those situations it's still a negligible buff, and its overall contribution to a pull is almost nothing (less than ~200 DPS added to the total dps of the raid, and that's if you're casting it every 60 seconds for an entire 10 min fight. Casting it on pull and during transition is probably something like ~40 DPS added to the raid's total DPS). For an ability that is supposed to define Selene's role, this is honestly a pathetic contribution. 3% is not a high enough number to matter at all, unless it's an aura that's constantly active.

I would just split off Fey Covenant to Selene and give Fey Caress to Eos. That would be fair. HoT, AoE Cleanse, and healing boost on Eos, Magic mitigation, Silence, and Haste on Selene. Both have their uses depending on your co-healer and the fight's needs.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Sounds like the issue is that pet-swapping isn't efficient, rather than Fey Wind isn't strong enough. Fey Wind is a decent enough buff in itself, but Selene has nothing else. The silence is awkward to use, and worthless in a load of content, a problem the cleanse also has. What they should be looking at instead is giving us a reason to use Selene over Eos.

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Pretty much this. If they want selene to be the buff fairy then they need to get rid of the silence. The game isn't coded well enough for it to work reliably, and most bosses can't be silenced.

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Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken

It definitely needs something. I don't mind if SCH takes a hit somewhere else to make up for it, but an ability with an effect as small as Fey Wind either needs to be buffed or removed from the game, IMO. Remember how pathetic Devotion was before it was buffed? Fey Wind is in a similar boat the way I see it. It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase. I just wish it felt more powerful to cast.

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Devotion's problem wasn't the buff itself actually.
It was because you couldn't exactly choose who you wanted to get the buff since it was the closer player to the pet.
If I remember correctly it was 5% damage/mitigation/healing every 90s, which was not that bad (like dragon sight %).
And since smn also had Contagion/Radiant Shield.

But it's better now indeed, even if it's a small buff (it must be a bit similar to Foe Requiem)

Ya devotion is now 2 percent damage/mitigation with a 5 percent healing potency still unchanged.

Of course another thing we need to remember, SCH is current healer king atm. Great ogcd heals, the fairy (Eos in particular), chain strat, highest dps of the healers etc. So if we are to buff fey wind to make Selene a choice, then something has to happen to one those that I mentioned and that would probably aggravate a lot of people.

That's not to say I don't disagree. However, buffing Fey Wind is probably a low priority for them given how widely play SCH is and its strengths.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Ya devotion is now 2 percent damage/mitigation with a 5 percent healing potency still unchanged.

Of course another thing we need to remember, SCH is current healer king atm. Great ogcd heals, the fairy (Eos in particular), chain strat, highest dps of the healers etc. So if we are to buff fey wind to make Selene a choice, then something has to happen to one those that I mentioned and that would probably aggravate a lot of people.

That's not to say I don't disagree. However, buffing Fey Wind is probably a low priority for them given how widely play SCH is and its strengths.

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I'm actually fine with SCH's self-kit being nerfed a bit so they can buff the fairies again. SCH is indeed in a very good spot atm, but that's not a reason for a large part of Selene's kit to be useless/almost useless. I just want us to have two compelling fairy choices :(

Swapping fairies to apply both Fey Wind and Whispering Dawn is a technique I personally use, but it is a seldom one. Basically, it isn't part of my rotation and something I do when I 'feel' it will benefit the party. Swapping/Summoning comes with a considerable DPS loss for the SCH, so the most optimal time to swap is between phases/trash pulls, or anytime there is nothing targetable on the battlefield.

Fey Wind itself does not need a buff. Increasing the rate at which high damage skills are dished out greatly turns the tide of battle, so any buff to Fey Wind would be responded in kind with the mobs we face. However, what I have been screaming for is for fairy abilities to no longer share cooldowns, especially when something like Silent Dusk can take away your Whispering Dawn.

I think that Fey Wind doesn't need a buff but should be changed to something else that doesn't make the co-healer work more only because the SCH prefers to use Selene instead of Eos.

Maybe this is bad luck on my side, but every time I get a SCH that uses Selene as co-healer (and I'm talking about learning parties or casual parties where a lot of people are new or get hit a lot, not perfect farm parties where everyone knows exactly when to do what - I get that you can use Selene for those), he still heals as if he has Eos out and I have to heal more instead.
I won't mention that WHEN they have Eos out they use her on sic so that all her abilities go to waste anyway though and they could also have used Selene...

So maybe they should give Selene some kind of healing ability as well instead of Fey Wind. And make it so that you can use Eos only on obey. Please.

Fey Wind can also make some classes annoyed as hell. Boosting my gdc when im mch is just aweful.

It's really not Fey Wind, but rather Selene choice as a whole that should be re-evaluated.

All the good Scholars start end-game fights with Selene, press Fey Wind, and re-summon Eos before the countdown is over. Don't need Fey Illumination cool down at the beginning, so trade it for Fey Wind.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Pretty much this. If they want selene to be the buff fairy then they need to get rid of the silence. The game isn't coded well enough for it to work reliably, and most bosses can't be silenced.

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It worked fine in Midas Savage. A6S and A8S had mandatory boss silences.

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Originally Posted by technole

It worked fine in Midas Savage. A6S and A8S had mandatory boss silences.

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Wasn't that generally either the BRD or MCH's job back then though? It seemed to be a waste since I remember silencing A6S a lot.

Though in regards to Fey Wind, I think Selene needs a rework. She's way overdue for it considering Eos has been the only fairy anyone uses just because she provides more heals. Selene provides...an AoE Esuna, Silence, and a Haste.

2 of the most useless things in current content and one of them being very, very niche.

If anything, I think Selene ought to be built like this:

Selene
- Embrace
- Fey Wind
- Fey Prayer: Heals for 250 potency and removes a single status effect to allies within range. 60s CD. Upgraded from Fey Caress via trait.
- Dusk's Decree: Inflicts Silence and reduces the target's damage dealt by 5% for 10s. 60s CD. Upgraded from Silent Dusk via trait.

These would at least be some improvement for 5.0, I'd imagine, given how Silent Dusk has aged badly.

It's Eos being too powerful, maybe switching Whispering Dawn with Fey Wind is a good idea. So making Eos a pure buff pet and Selena a function pet with silence, HOT, and debuff remove pet.

I wouldn't argue that EoS is too OP (I dont think we have a trait that makes our faeries stronger) because at the earlier levels the difference isnt truly as noticeable.

At this point Selene is just super dated, which is sad because shes the main one shown in the Scholar stories.

Scholar is not ok™

[QUOTE=HyperiusUltima;4803015]Wasn't that generally either the BRD or MCH's job back then though? It seemed to be a waste since I remember silencing A6S a lot.

Yes, sometimes my MCH would say they accidentally used their silence before the mechanic. But then if you pugged or helped a group without an aiming job you could still do it.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

I wouldn't argue that EoS is too OP (I dont think we have a trait that makes our faeries stronger) because at the earlier levels the difference isnt truly as noticeable.

At this point Selene is just super dated, which is sad because shes the main one shown in the Scholar stories.

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Fairies get about 75% of your equipped stats. Gear ladder is noticeable, and that is how some Scholars soloed current dungeons in the day.

I may not be an expert but as a sch main I've always felt fey wind was okay. We've got chain stratagem anyway so wouldn't buffing fey wind kind make things a little op?

I think selene is fine. there is some speed kills that show Selene can bring 400 - 500 raid dps on its own. Eos can heal aoe without using globals.

Healing is all about trading heals for dps and vice versa. It is same for other abilities too. If you use aetherflows for energy drain then you have less lustrate/indom etc. If you have to cast succor/adlo, you have less broils etc. Every fight is different and have different priorities.