Starting to feel like this is kind of pointless.

I don't even know what I'm doing in this game anymore. Can't get into savage groups, so i can't get the best armor, doing the same trials over and over to try and win a dice rolling contest for subpar armor to try attempt to do higher level content is becoming more pointless as people just up the ilevel gate to allow only those who have already completed the trials/savage content into their parties.

You don't need to do savage or trials to get to i360-369. Can do it on mendacity + 24 person raids for the tokens.

If you were capping every week you would've have more than enough mendacities to get a full set of 360 tome gear and also if you were actively hunting you would've been able to turn all of those 360 pieces into 370 pieces as well. Also with the hoh you have access to a i365 weapon if you don't do extreme trials. And if you want to learn savage, no one is stopping you from making your own party so the blames to your whining lies entirely with you.

Have you tried creating your own static/group? And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, this isn't my main mmo and I usually come in towards the mid/end of a patch cycle. So I create my own groups usually of people that are new or started late for whatever reason and it works out.

What exactly is preventing you from joining or even creating a savage group? It's very easy to find parties in the PF which are regularly doing savage content (not all have restrictions), sometimes there are practice/learning ones or just weekly clears (which may have an ilvl limit), but something is always there and you can always create your own as well if nothing is coming up that fits your requirements.

In regards to the gear, just like others have stated you can collect 360 equipment over time, and with Ridorana being out for a while now, that could easily give you a full left set of 370 gear maybe more if you wanted with little effort. Although in the end, even 350 and 360 gear is enough to challenge savage so you don't need the best gear at all to play the game.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

If you were capping every week you would've have more than enough mendacities to get a full set of 360 tome gear and also if you were actively hunting you would've been able to turn all of those 360 pieces into 370 pieces as well. Also with the hoh you have access to a i365 weapon if you don't do extreme trials. And if you want to learn savage, no one is stopping you from making your own party so the blames to your whining lies entirely with you.

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unfortunately I didn't come back to the game until fairly recently, and took me quite awhile to catch up with the game as well as remember just how the game is played, i may have reached cap 3 or 4 weeks at this point, and i only recently got the rightside completed with 370 from the recent tome purchases. I'm not even sure I want to buy armor with those tomes because i dont play anyone single job, I feel like I need to switch it up or I'll feel bored. I'm the kind of player who likes their own personal style rotation so I know i'll never be top dps or healer, I can't be bothered to min/max every aspect of a job, it ruins the suspense and thus fun for me, but I don't mind working for the harder goals and mastering instances.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

What exactly is preventing you from joining or even creating a savage group? It's very easy to find parties in the PF which are regularly doing savage content (not all have restrictions), sometimes there are practice/learning ones or just weekly clears (which may have an ilvl limit), but something is always there and you can always create your own as well if nothing is coming up that fits your requirements.

In regards to the gear, just like others have stated you can collect 360 equipment over time, and with Ridorana being out for a while now, that could easily give you a full left set of 370 gear maybe more if you wanted with little effort. Although in the end, even 350 and 360 gear is enough to challenge savage so you don't need the best gear at all to play the game.

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When I play it most certainly seems like it, and in some cases I can relate, and understand why those restrictions exist, I've only managed to beat Tsukuyomi Ex 4 times simply because most groups that have a low enough ilevel limit for me to join fail more often than not, yet i still run into the occasional person who says they've already saved up 99 of her tokens. This is doubly so for Savage Content. I haven't found a single group that had a open policy that wasn't a practice group (which usually ends prematurely), could I start my own pf for savage content sure I guess I could, though that seems very similar to the tsukuyomi problem, and could likely just lead to the usual people get frustrated quit and thus back to the start.

There's actually not many learning parties on primal at one time. It's common to see zero to one up for the first fight, and maybe 2-4 for the latter ones. Like right now there is 25 total savage parties, with no learning for tier 1, 1 for tier 2, and 4 for tier 4. This is actually busier than usual, often it is more like fifteen or so.When you consider this is for a whole data center at maybe an hour's overall slice of time, it's kind of small.

The learning parties do dry up pretty often, and while you can start them, it can be a decent wait. It's really not so simple as joining or starting a party; for some reason PUG seems to be pretty small.

I would suggest saving your tomes for a chest piece next and also melding your gear. Heaven on High will give you a 365 weapon and you can make progress towards it at your own pace. These things will help you do more damage which you are going to need in savage. Even if you are not into min maxing I at least recommend looking up an opener for the job you want to do savage with. Picking a single job is recommended because it will take ages to gear up otherwise. After all of this you should be ready to clear O5S and O6S which drop the highest item level for all slots except legs, chest and weapon.

Don't get too discouraged, you rejoined the game at a point where raid progression was a bit advanced, the next major patch is basically a soft reset to progression so if you're here from the start it's much easier to clear content in PF, right you have like 2 months worth of tomestones to gear up for the next savage, which I believe is enough to get mostly 360-370 gear.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I'm the kind of player who likes their own personal style rotation so I know i'll never be top dps or healer, I can't be bothered to min/max every aspect of a job, it ruins the suspense and thus fun for me, but I don't mind working for the harder goals and mastering instances.

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This will cause you problems. Jobs do not have stylized rotations. While minor deviations are fine, attempting to completely alter a rotation will simply gimp your damage for no benefit. Furthermore, while I get playing the same job constantly can get tedious at times, you won't develop good habits and muscle memory if you frequent bounce around. Keep in mind, if you do look for statics, most prefer you have a preferred "main" job.

As for gear, you have quite a few options.

- Farm Aetherpool to convert into a i365 weapon
- Weekly Ridorana
- Mendacity capping
- Purchase i350 crafted gear (whatever's cheapest) and exchange it for Augmented verions

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Furthermore, while I get playing the same job constantly can get tedious at times, you won't develop good habits and muscle memory if you frequent bounce around. Keep in mind, if you do look for statics, most prefer you have a preferred "main" job.

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Exactly. When you join a static, you're signing up as a particular job. Most statics will allow you to have 1 or 2 alternate jobs, but when all 8 members are there for raid night, you're expected, nay required to play your main job in Savage. That only applies in Savage though. Outside of Savage (and maybe Ex primals), most statics are like "Play whatever you want". Also worth bearing in mind you'll only be spending a subset of your time (if a casual raider, usually 4-6 hours a week) required on that main job. All the other time you play is open to you. Don't be discouraged. :)

I've only recently done a Savage raid for the first time in the last few weeks and I don't plan on doing it again...it's just not for me. But I'm currently at 354 ilvl with mostly mendacity gear and crafted gear which can either be purchased from the Market Board or created and then upgraded using Resistance tokens. Resistance tokens are easily obtained from trading in the crafted gear to a vendor in Rhalgr's Reach. Each piece is ilv360.

And as everyone says, you can do the Ivalice Raids and Weekly Tome caps to gain Mendacity gear and the Ivalice gear. Honestly, unless you're all about numbers (like I am to a point), you really don't even need to be concerned with having "the best" stuff. Most content can be cleared as long as you meet the requirements for that dungeon/raid.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I'm the kind of player who likes their own personal style rotation so I know i'll never be top dps or healer, I can't be bothered to min/max every aspect of a job, it ruins the suspense and thus fun for me, but I don't mind working for the harder goals and mastering instances.

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I don't mean to sound mean, but there is no such thing as "personal style rotation" in this game, its not even that you would be playing suboptimally, you would just be playing the job badly or wrong. You don't even need to min/max in order to participate in savage, you just need to learn how to play your job properly and learn a few tricks to increase your raid potential.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I don't even know what I'm doing in this game anymore. Can't get into savage groups, so i can't get the best armor, doing the same trials over and over to try and win a dice rolling contest for subpar armor to try attempt to do higher level content is becoming more pointless as people just up the ilevel gate to allow only those who have already completed the trials/savage content into their parties.

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Im kinda in the same boat as you OP, though a bit different.

I lost my old account due to GMs making a huge mistake and mistaking battleping as some cheater program. Over 20000 hours of work since 1.0 Legacy gone. Even had 2.0 earned Mesuline Mauler title that was near impossible to get before unsynching came about. Tried for 9 months to plead, send evidence to SE they were wrong, even had a japanese friend go to SoJ directly to plead my case. Nothing ever happened. Now im on a secondary backup legacy account doing all I can to get back as much as I lost as I can, while trying to get geared up to then get Clears on Savages and Extremes.

Though, I always had a easy time doing the difficult content. I simply watch video guides and if I make a mistake I dont repeat it a second time. But its likely ill have to create PF Learning parties then clear party for each single one and Im sure it will all take time. Likely ima do it once Eureka Part 2 comes out and I get the Relic armor and weapon from that to make it easier on myself. I just really hope I can get into a new progression static for when the next Raid Tier comes, because I want to do both of the ultimates as well. I pretty much got a long busy 2 months ahead of me.

Ill have to practice my warrior again too it seems, since Warriors are MT now from what I seen. I prefer PLD/DRK, but I like to be the MT, or Starting Tank as others like to call it. But its whatever, I always master all the Tank jobs. I hope you have better luck than I m'lady.

The game is kind of draging on without enough engaging content. This patch seemed really bad. My hubby and I currently only play 2-3 hours a week down from 10-20 hours a week. Which isn't a bad thing We got some nice games on the steam summer sale like FFXV.

Hmmmmm..........I'm a bit torn how to respond here.

On one hand, I want to sympathize with your plight as it is always a terrible feeling when you can't do content you want to.

On the other:

1) There's really no excuse not to have gear at this point. I didn't even unlock RDM until just before 4.3 dropped and it's already at i361. Gear (besides Savage Raid Gear) is handed out like candy in FFXIV.

2) Several of your comments seem like you just want to be carried.
a) "I like my own personal style of rotation" "I can't be bothered to min/max". Really sounds like you want to do whatever you want and play however badly you want and yet be able to have other players carry you through content.
b) "I haven't found a Savage PF with open policies (that isn't a learning party)". Why are you trying to join anything other than a learning party? THAT is EXACTLY where you belong, since you haven't cleared and are at a low ilvl. You don't get to play badly, have no fight knowledge, a relatively low gear ilvl AND get to join all the FARM parties to get carried.

3) "I'm not even sure I want to buy armor with those tomes because i dont play anyone single job, I feel like I need to switch it up or I'll feel bored." Ok, that's cool if that is what you enjoy. BUT, don't expect to be able to spread yourself thin, invest NOTHING into any one class, and STILL be able to do achieve any end-game goals. You just need a reality check here.

TL;DR : All of your complaints and constraints are self-inflicted, so you really have nothing to whine about. Do what's necessary to clear Savage or don't. Choose one.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I don't even know what I'm doing in this game anymore. Can't get into savage groups, so i can't get the best armor, doing the same trials over and over to try and win a dice rolling contest for subpar armor to try attempt to do higher level content is becoming more pointless as people just up the ilevel gate to allow only those who have already completed the trials/savage content into their parties.

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There isn't any point in getting the highest ilv outside of doing savage in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

i dont play anyone single job, I feel like I need to switch it up or I'll feel bored. I'm the kind of player who likes their own personal style rotation so I know i'll never be top dps or healer, I can't be bothered to min/max every aspect of a job, it ruins the suspense and thus fun for me, but I don't mind working for the harder goals and mastering instances.

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Yeah, sorry to tell you but that won't fly.
Savage and a "I'm a special snowflake and do it my way" kind of playstyle don't mix, because (sadly) the game itself does not allow that kind of customization when it comes to the combat element. There really is only one way to play a class correctly and the enrage timers of savage are designed around everyone playing like that at least 85% of the time.

Piece of advice: stay out of savage. I doubt that you would have much fun in there in the long run unless you change your mindset.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

The game is kind of draging on without enough engaging content. This patch seemed really bad. My hubby and I currently only play 2-3 hours a week down from 10-20 hours a week. Which isn't a bad thing We got some nice games on the steam summer sale like FFXV.

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Yup, outside of wiping on Kefka savage, there really isn't much to do atm. Peoples login times (and subsequently # of groups in PF) reflect that.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

You don't need to do savage or trials to get to i360-369. Can do it on mendacity + 24 person raids for the tokens.

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Again, why do people need the best gear when they dont do savage/speedkills/ultimate content? Does it really matter to have such great gear in dungeons?

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Again, why do people need the best gear when they dont do savage/speedkills/ultimate content? Does it really matter to have such great gear in dungeons?

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Because some people just want to have all the things? *shrug*

Everything resets again in 4.4, which is likely September. The gear ladder shouldn't be your first reason, it's clearing content you want to do.

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Because some people just want to have all the things? *shrug*

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it's more that there aren't really any other goals beyond a certain point. There's really not much to earn too with a combat class; it's almost all daily maintenance roulettes done solo queued. Increasingly you get pushed into savage or ex because there's very little to do in the game that you havent already. Eureka really was the only long term goal that served as a substitute and was stil engaging, I think.

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Again, why do people need the best gear when they dont do savage/speedkills/ultimate content? Does it really matter to have such great gear in dungeons?

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It's sometimes a nice thing for players to work towards. Some know they will never get the Diamond gear for example because they don't really like the environment of savage (i.e. stressful etc), but they like gearing up with the next best gear which at the moment would be (Dai-)Ryumyaku.

They don't need it but character progression is kinda the point of playing an MMO.

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Because some people just want to have all the things? *shrug*

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Fair game. However, if you didnt notice, I stated one of the games flaw. I mean, Ive had my share of fun and currently on break. But the farming and doing every week savage when its not relevant anymore, because everyone is or close to be overgeared by far to do content.

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it's more that there aren't really any other goals beyond a certain point. There's really not much to earn too with a combat class; it's almost all daily maintenance roulettes done solo queued. Increasingly you get pushed into savage or ex because there's very little to do in the game that you havent already. Eureka really was the only long term goal that served as a substitute and was stil engaging, I think.

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

It's sometimes a nice thing for players to work towards. Some know they will never get the Diamond gear for example because they don't really like the environment of savage (i.e. stressful etc), but they like gearing up with the next best gear which at the moment would be (Dai-)Ryumyaku.

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I can fully understand where you come from. However spamming 24 man raid for upgrades and then once you done it then what? The content players currently do or have done is on farm and mostlikely been overgeard on multiply classes. Like you said, it goes towards a goal and working for it, however grinding gear thats no longer relevant isnt a goal to work towards for, its the simplicity of wanting to just have gear to stand around with until next patch comes out, where last tier will come out and crafted gear will be good until you get new savage/tome gear.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I don't even know what I'm doing in this game anymore. Can't get into savage groups, so i can't get the best armor, doing the same trials over and over to try and win a dice rolling contest for subpar armor to try attempt to do higher level content is becoming more pointless as people just up the ilevel gate to allow only those who have already completed the trials/savage content into their parties.

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You have various options, FC assistance, creating your own raid groups, if you really want that. Otherwise tomes and such. If you don't know where to start do research before hand on content and make it clear. IF your just lazy and want others to do so can't help you there. IF your anti social can't help you there either. Need to put some hard work into it like everyone else.

@OP - Sounds like you're stuck in the treadmill and are getting frustrated. You have a few options:

(1) Ignore end game gear progression. It's a hamster wheel that only serves itself. You get better gear to be able to grind to get better gear, ect. This will free you to devote more time to other in-game activities such as...

(2) Crafting and Gathering. It's like a whole other part of the game opens up and allows you to really have some casual fun and also make a ton of gil in the process. The stories for the crafting and gathering classes are also quite good from what I've personally seen thus far.

(3) Socialize more. I'm guilty of not doing this since I have pretty bad anxiety issues so I can understand that it can be harder to get into. If this is also you perhaps try breaking out of your shell just a little bit by just even saying "Hello!" more often to people. Join a social linkshell or two, ect.

(4) If all else fails take a break and play other games. Playing only a single game for a long period of time can get old and stale. Trying to play other games every so often keeps things more fresh and you don't burn out as often or quickly. Even just a small break can help!