https://www.strawpoll.me/15322862/r pls come on and say if your like it or not.
Eureka Vote
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03-20-2018, 09:40 PMZebediahEureka Vote
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03-20-2018, 11:21 PMZebediah
Come On need your Vote :)
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03-20-2018, 11:25 PMServerCollaps
from 1400 votes, 2/3 are fine with it. Guess thats not as bad as people want to make it out
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03-20-2018, 11:35 PMLambdafishIts why you can't trust the forums, the majority of talk is from a minority of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
@OP, try posting this to Reddit as well, you might get more hits that way. -
03-20-2018, 11:37 PMCryBloodwing
I probably will not like all the dying and too many people that I can't see anything....but as a WHM main, I will be happy going around and raising everyone I can. XD
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03-20-2018, 11:41 PMSoupa
Voted thanks for poll even if it is just an internet poll.
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03-20-2018, 11:42 PMReplicaX
Voted meh, as I don't mind the content, but there is clearly a laundry list of improvements needed. To which I've already posted in other threads.
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03-20-2018, 11:47 PMTanathyaIf "Meh, it's okay" means people are fine with it, you're not too ambitious. I see that answer as something way more negative than positive. I wouldn't say "Meh, it's okay" about something I'm fine with. But hey, that's me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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03-20-2018, 11:55 PMNora_of_Mirathats because its a bad polling suggestion. I wanted to vote but the poll is meaningless with those suggestions. it should've been a 1-5 kind of thing with 3 being the middle of the road between "Love it, keep it coming" and "Hate it, scrap it and start over."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanathya
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03-21-2018, 01:05 AMVstarstruckQuote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
70% of the people clearly dislike it in some way out of 2600 now. This is why you cant trust white knight skewing and spinning facts. The other 30% clearly do not know how much we lost content wise in the game as a hole for SB, for all the resources that went into it with all the delays, a buggy fate train is not an acceptable result.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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03-21-2018, 01:16 AMReplicaXCan't trust assumptions either, regardless of opinion. Half of what you mention is sadly locked behind closed doors with SE holding the keys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
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03-21-2018, 01:17 AMServerCollapswhen I'm "okay" with stuff, then I dont dislike itQuote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
so, in my opinion, 70% like it and only 30% are mad -
03-21-2018, 01:20 AMMetsonm
You really shouldn't be aiming for a 30% approval rating for a system as involved as this. Hell, you shouldn't be aiming for disapproval as high as 30%. That's about 3x what I would expect.
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03-21-2018, 01:20 AMAnarnee
I already voted on this from reddit. I like it a lot. It could use to polishing and changing, but I want them to expand this type of content.
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03-21-2018, 01:21 AMPentheaIf it was hated as much as the forums might lead someone to believe, we wouldn't be having Eureka instances being near constantly packed. Well at least in EU. Obviously I can't speak for the other data centres given I don't play there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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03-21-2018, 01:24 AMTridusIt's also why you can't trust online polls. The poll tells you the opinion of people who voted in the poll and nothing else, which is an even smaller minority of players than the people who read the forums (itself a minority of players).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
A statistically valid poll requires a sampling methodology that's entirely absent here. -
03-21-2018, 01:41 AMAlleo
Still over 30% of the people that voted for that truly hated that..thats still enough and Meh its okay sound more like "its fine but not great". This sentence is a bit bad because you kinda can interpet it how you want. Those that will like it, say that this is more that people are fine for this thus they count it together with the people that love it and those that hate it will count it towards their vote. This is far from a good poll.
Having "Meh" at the start of a sentence does sound a bit negative for me though (as someone who does not have it as an mother tongue). Stil in the end we have a bit of a votes and only 30% of the votes truly love it and a bit more are truly hating it. That is not really that great imo. If you want succesfull content shouldnt you have a huge amount of people saying that they love it, a bit that are okay with it but dont find it that great and only a small part that hate it?
Honestly that still shows me that there is something wrong with the content. (And its funny that suddenly these numbers mean more than the forum post even though they are also still a minority)
In the end the most find it Meh. So kinda they dont hate it but they also dont love it. Not sure if you should go that way with content. At the same time this gives us no inside of how the people saw the option. Was someone leaning more on the negative side but did not hate it? Or was someone was truly fine with it but did not love it? We simply dont know..we only know that still the minority of people that voted for that really love it.
That is not a good argument for or against something. First its still the second week of release and it would be really really sad if this one would already be death. Even Diadem 2.0 stayed alive for abit longer. (And that one only had a RNG weapon behind it and not the relic and that big amount of glamour). Second it takes people from all over the datacenters into the instance so it makes sense that it would still be so full.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
Lets talk about it when its a few months later and lets see how SE reacts to this. They were at least more intelligent with that since you can go into there solo instead of having to wait till a whole group filled. But we cant tell right now if its a success or not. -
03-21-2018, 01:42 AMMahrzeWhatever a the opposite of a white knight is, is what I get form you. You keep adding the "content we lost". We can't lose something we never got. Lost resources invested perhaps? Unlikely without info on how the team was shifted. Ironic that you say 70% clearly dislike when 1/3 or to be more acurate, 4/10 don't care much. where as 3/10 are more or less struggling to one up eachother on the love/hate camps. Don't complain about how they skew "facts" if you just did the same in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
iow, you're being "insane" by the same standards you used on another thread. Spewing the same repeated verbiage won't get us anywhere when facts are nowhere on both sides. Again, to state being factual, we need info on exactly how anything is happening, instead of misconstrued interpretations that come from confirmation bias. -
03-21-2018, 01:44 AMMilanFrozen
Oh hey, look at that! On average forum goers feel like Eureka is mediocre! Looks like I was right.
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03-21-2018, 02:46 AMVstarstruckWe really need more people like your self that can truly analyze the situation. You even took what I was going to reply to Penthea. Look at PvP, the gero made a huge spike in activy and lasted all the way in SB for a bit. Once the SB returners got what they needed, the rush of desynth for gold ingots and a source of exp ,it completely died. This PvP rush lasted way longer then diadem 2.0 but it was still an artificial spike in activity. When something is new you are going to have different people at different times trying it out, then there is others trying to tuff it out a little at a time trying to get to level 20 before it dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
That is the other thing people seem to magically forget that defend this diadem 3.0, people will play things despite hating it, for different reasons that differ from person to person. That will not have lasting activity.
Lastly when I say "meh it is ok" that is me implying I dislike something (undefined degree, differs by situation) but I can tolerate it. At some situations I may say "meh it is ok" to mask "I really hate it but I tolerate it enough for me to say I do not hate it, but I am not going to say that because I do not want to sound rude". That statement is def more negative then positive and no matter how you spin it, someone voting that is admitting it has a lot of glaring problems, even if they do like it somewhat.
I said "70% of the people clearly dislike it in some way out of 2600 now." there is no irony about what I said, adding is hard for you I guess, 39+31=70Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahrze
"meh it is ok" means there is parts you dislike about something. With all the delays this place had, that kind of split is far from ideal. If it was some side content made in 24-48 hours it would be a different story. It looks rushed, because there is nothing there, no features, (like social features to search people, level sync, etc) and people/ monsters vanishing problems. This is what you expect being in beta, not finished. -
03-21-2018, 03:00 AMChandraNoctis
You'd probably get similar results for any content in the game.
If you asked about crafting, potd or raids or dungeons I expect you'd get similar replies.
The middle response tells very little and cannot be counted as negative or positive - I answered there and I don't hate it, it's fun with a good group but not my favorite content. The zone is very nice and I wouldn't mind seeing more areas in future patches but the mob grind could be a lot more engaging. I like some things and dislike others.
Eureka has some big flaws but its not terrible and I prefer this to another snooze mode expert dungeon that is only really fun the first time you run it because it is tuned way too easy for current gear level. -
03-21-2018, 03:00 AMMahrzeTo quote your own source from where that sentence came as a reply to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
It's a matter of interpretation. You clearly did shift the numbers to the otherside and called the kettle black in the same sentence. I don't know how to math as much as it seems you don't know how to read. But "meh, its okay". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
Assumptions from start to finish, bearing all of your "standards" aside. You can be accusative and talk about how they need to step their game up, but make it factual and not brimming with confirmation bias on every word you write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
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03-21-2018, 03:03 AMFerth
This is a pretty bad poll. I don't "hate" Eureka, but I don't think it's ok, either.
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03-21-2018, 03:05 AMWellFooledPeople participate in things they hate all the time: family reunions, culturally mandated gift exchanges, unfulfilling jobs, etc. Usually because its the lesser of two evils. In Eureka's case I dislike the content, but I feel forced into it because of the rewards. In well crafted MMO content I should be excited for the rewards and also enjoy the journey to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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03-21-2018, 03:11 AMShoukoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vstarstruck
70% of the people on the forums that tend to go with monkey see monkey do? People on the net are known for being caught up in the vote one way or another for stupid things all the time. Go look at youtube and see how many idiotic comments or upvotes some idiotic channel has.
Stop trying so hard it's ok, life will go on the game will continue, feedback has been registered with them, whether they take it to heart or not is the question. We can't control them other than not providing them with money and I mean that includes everything from the cash shop to the subs to retainers, if you guys were truly this unhappy about it you would speak with your wallets and not your words. -
03-21-2018, 03:11 AMPentheaWhy are you comparing mandatory life events to an optional game feature?Quote:
Originally Posted by WellFooled
Eureka is more like attending an optional club you may not enjoy so you can access something better later. Working a job you hate to keep a roof over your head is much more akin to paying your XIV subscription only because you want to keep your in-game house. -
03-21-2018, 03:12 AMRokke
I wish there was just a "meh" option. I don't hate it, but I don't enjoy it enough to say "its ok".
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03-21-2018, 03:17 AMBrynne
I voted "meh, it's okay" because I don't love it but I also don't hate it. Would I run this again after there's no more reward to be gained from it? Probably not, but that's how most of the content in this game is. If I can't get anything from it, I'd only run it to help a friend out. I think I'm probably in the majority, honestly... So yeah, they will need to expand this content and provide incentives to keep it active for future players, but the same is true of any content in the game, hence why we have roulettes and Wonderous Tails and other 'please do old content so new players aren't stranded' incentives. I guess we'll have to see what they decide to do.
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03-21-2018, 03:21 AMBourne_Endeavor
As someone who voted "Meh, it's okay." No, I would not classify that as my liking Eureka. I merely accept it for what it is. Being indifferent towards anything can, often times, be worse. To elaborate further, I like aspects of Eureka and think it has a decent foundation but it ultimately disappoints. If the relic step hadn't been put in there, I'd have never looked at the content more than once.
And this segues into my complaint towards the poll itself. The options are far too broad. We need some options to lean one way without getting lumped into the extremes.
"Yes, I am thoroughly enjoying Eureka!"
"I'm having fun but still think it could use some improvements."
"It's alright. Needs a fair bit of work though."
"Not really. I expected far more than what we got."
"No, it's an awful slog and I hope they abandon it altogether." -
03-21-2018, 03:31 AMLord_Zlatanpacked in NA too. All the time. Most people are happy to help everyone .Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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03-21-2018, 03:38 AMKaonis
Others have mentioned it, but I'll repeat those thoughts. A poll isn't the end all be all, methodology is important, as is recognizing the limitations of the methodology. So more thought needs to go into looking at a simple online poll to parse our meaningful conclusions. And as was stated, the middle option is very ambiguous and I've already seen it being taken both ways. Ranges on options and even multiple questions on various topics would be a better way to go about it, but even with the 3 options the middle should have been something like "No strong opinion either way" if we were trying to just make some sort of general community feel on the topic. It's also a singular piece of content being parsed and doesn't give a good reference. For example, it would have been interesting to have similar polls for Diadem, PoTD, etc. when they were relevant to draw comparisons against to get a feel for how new content is generally received.
With that said, going with the assumption that the numbers reflect the community within a reasonable margin of error and that the "Meh, it's ok" crowd is more of a "No strong opinion either way", the numbers look bad at Eureka being well received. As of this post the poll stands around 4.2k votes. The numbers of people who either hate it or love it are near identical, while the no strong opinion crowd wins out. It seems like for every 1 person who loves Eureka there is 1 person who hates it. Which means people who say the "hate diadem"-crowd is a vocal minority are wrong. Not everyone hates it either of course. But there seems to be a lot of in between people. Overall I'd say player response to Eureka is not good if the majority of people are in a low-energy opinion on the content. Meanwhile, there is just as many people who detest the content as there are people love it. Again, if the new content has that many people who actively dislike it that is saying something about the content. The bottom line is this content is very divisive and not just on the forums of people actively discussing it. -
03-21-2018, 03:48 AMDerio
The actual game numbers represents how people feel. Many say meh its ok. This only because they want the rewards, not necessarily mean they like it.
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03-21-2018, 03:54 AMLord_Zlataneeeeeh... its kinda skewed. i dont think people will do it just for rewards AND a massive grind if they did not like certain aspects of it. I am splitting hairs, i know. They need to add things to it to make it more engaging. Its been beaten to death at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derio
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03-21-2018, 05:00 AMAlleo
Maybe the one that created the poll should do a second one but with different options?
1. I love Eureka.
2. I like the majority of Eureka but there are some things that could be improved
3. I dont really care about it, just do it for the rewards.
4. I mostly dislike it but it could get better if they improve it.
5. I hate it.
6. I did not play it at all.
This way we will surely have a way better view on the opinions. Because the "Meh" answer can be the second and fourth question and are probably more neutral. We also simply have no option for those that never did it and those that dont even care a bit about this.
@Vstarstruck: Thank you. I do agree with quite a bit of your points, but I also do agree with some other posters that you use a bit too much attacks. Take out the insults and you have quite some good posts left. -
03-21-2018, 05:14 AMWellFooledGah! I'm sure this is a rhetorical question, but I feel like a jerk if I don't respond when someone is talking right at me. Forgive me in advance for probably coming off as a nerd. I use those illustrations (not mandatory, any one of them) as examples because they're relatable. Almost everyone has experienced one of those things at some point in their life and didn't enjoy it, thus I use them as evidence of the fact I began with: People often participate in things they hate. Since it happens in real life, it will happen in virtual life too for similar reasons. You do the thing you hate, because there's something else to be gotten out of it. You go to a family reunion because its better than having your aunt nag you for not going, you give gifts because you feel you'd be looked down on if you didn't, you work an unfulfilling job because you want to be able to afford to go out to dinner every now and again. Likewise, those of us who dislike Eureka do it, not because we like it, but because there is some other reward besides enjoyment and that is the AF, Relic, and vanity items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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03-21-2018, 06:03 AMVstarstruckHmmm, I do not see my self as insulting though, but I do admit I am having problems replying to those that are being insulting, without being insulting myself I guess. I do not like being insulted because of my post count, I do not like being insulted because people do not read what I say, I do not like blind defending SE, as that does harm to try improve the game, I/e like it or not, with all the emptiness of 4.1 SB and the delays in releasing this, how is it possible people can't admit there is little to do in this place and does need improvements outside blind white knighting? Someone that routinely takes statement out of context repeats "do not say we have been waiting for it to release, I did not wait for anything" (even though we suffered from lack of content for its development and told by SE on that fact. They still waited, even if they where unaware of the wait, in other words. (This last situation was made by a person who claimed to have blacklist me later)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
I been insulted and blacklisted by someone for quoting someone's 2 different quotes, compared them, explained why they are contradicting.. and somehow that is me claiming they are being insulting??????????? and they "never said that" despite me quoting them? Also look at the replies here, when I explained what "meh it is ok i like it " means, they completely ignore what I had to say about that and just jump on my back and attack me. Then the final icing on the cake is being told people that dislike this have no clue what they are talking about.
In the end I do not like the abuse of the posts when I make the best efforts to explain something, while people reply to me from strawmaning mine.
Though I am wondering your PoV on this, 2 different feelings I find common
Where would you place:
"I hate it but playing it because my SO/ close friend/ fc is doing it"
"I am doing it so I am not behind, but still hate it" like forcing them self to play
The reason I ask this is people may feel the strongest hate to the content, but clearly does not fit "I have not played it at all" -
03-21-2018, 07:43 AMAlleo
@Vstarstruck: I know that both sides where a bit too aggressive and I am not sure if a certain poster just wants to insult. (They kinda told me that I gave wrong informations and when I linked all the stuff they never responded back) So I can see why you are annoyed. The problem is that words like white knighting and stuff like that will not make the situation better. Maybe just leave these out and then your posts are purely about opinions and no attacks and the others have no comments that they can use against you.
My feelings are: I hate it, but I did it to get the rewards, that you can only get there, as fast as possible so that I can leave the content behind. Since a lot of people did the content at the beginning I kinda went there for a lot of hours too to get my rex (and a +2 weapon as a side thing from the crystals) and did not step back in this after that. So nobody can say that I did not try it (was nearly 12). I tried to solo it which was far too boring and long so I took to the fate train, got my rezz achievement and lots of loot. Sadly RNG was horrible to me so I needed quite a bit of runs. I did not like it better than before, I saw more and more problems and I kinda question why it was done that way.
I would not have disliked it that much if Eureka was only some small part of new casual content in SB but this was the only new stuff for casual PVE players and took 17 months so I cant accept it how its right now. Just reading the constructive opinion thread showed me how much better it could have been with a bit more content in it. I dont want it to be a flop and if its somehow still a success then people can point it out and I have to accept that we are really the minority. (And I am fine if people like it.) But that would still not change my opinion about this.
After 17 months and the loss of regular content we got something that is only about killing monster x times to spawn a boss fate and to kill that. That there is nothing more than that (and the wheel) is just kinda sad. Daily quests, more explorations, better quests for relic and Krile and much more..all of this should have been possible but we did not get it. On top of that we kind of had quite some big bugs, with the amount of people in the instance its not fun killing stuff..(laggs, culling and more), and I just fear what will happen to the people when most of us have gone away? It will stay alive longer than Diadem because of the possibility of going into this solo but something that took so long to built should survive longer than a few months.
So in the end I do agree with a lot of your posts and a lot of us already did gave some well thought ideas in other threads. We are not just mindlessly hating stuff. But with so many Eureka threads its probably also difficult to keep up with all of it.
Anyway the poll was posted on reddit first and its seems that quite some people that liked it and kinda chose the Meh option did have quite a few problems with it. So thats why I think this poll should have way more questions. -
03-21-2018, 08:51 AMPentheaMaybe it's because I have been playing mmos for a very long time so I'm a bit jaded when I say you're not always going to like all the content. Thankfully you do not have to do everything, but as you said yourself sometimes you have to in order to access something you would enjoy. I have accepted that sometimes I have to soldier on before I get to the point in which I'm having a truly pleasant and fun experience. Ideally this would never happen but nothing is universally loved. Someone will always hate something.Quote:
Originally Posted by WellFooled
As much as I love Eureka, I think it is heavily flawed. I enjoy it but I can see why others do not. That mobs are super dangerous appeals to me enough that I'm happy enough with how it is, but not every player is the same. People like different things for different reasons. Eureka doesn't have much variety so there aren't several avenues for people to experience different reasons to love or hate it. It's a huge zone but it basically only has one major thing going on. This is why it's so divisive. The lack of variety means it attracts less types of players. If you don't like the one major thing it offers, then you won't find it fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by WellFooled
Eureka has incredible potential but it's a huge zone with dangerous monsters and not much else. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a huge zone to have a huge amount of activities. I can certainly relate to people who criticise it for this reason. I enjoy dangerous mobs but I'd like to be able to enjoy other things too. For me this is where Eureka fell short. It needs to be fleshed out significantly more. Much more. -
03-21-2018, 09:25 AMServerCollaps
those are the results from a poll in the jp forums
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It's fun. 57.2% 301 votes
It's boring 29.9% 156 votes
Neither. 12.5% 65 votes.
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03-21-2018, 03:14 PMalimdiaA poll in one external JP blog*, with opinions not shared with the public sentiment in the JP OF and 2ch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps