I kind of like Eureka, however let's compile some improvements we'd like to see:

I think the devs have really tried to give us things we have asked for in Eureka, but they have a habit of misinterpreting things (looking at you; question about race specific 1.0 model underwear) or perhaps other languages are asking for similar (but not the same) kind of things the English speaking forum is.


Past player requests I can see they implemented in Eureka:
-Asking for elements to mean something,
-Asking for XI 2.0,
-For non linear content that isn't a complete faceroll (well in this case its mostly a different kind of style to play)
-For relic equipment not just weapons,
-For spawnable NMs that reward you,
-For more danger in the world

etc. Multiple requests of ours were peppered into Eureka.


Maybe other people can make suggestions on improvements too, but I for one would like to see:

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-Level Sync
It's nice to chat with the new people I've met while grinding, made it feel even more nostaglic and FFXI like. But my friends and I are different levels and I fear I simply cant play Eureka content with them for now because we are all various different levels (between LV3-LV10 atm)

-Allow us to at least desynth the furniture and clothing from reward bags
I have 7 helms, 8 pants and more Cabinets then I need. Not being able to trade, sell or desynth these is a little too much. At least I can give the Cabinets to FC friends via our house.

-Allow us to sell and trade rare items
I never wanted the Tyrannosaurus mount, but I got it. I would have loved to give it to a friend or even sell it (for more then the 1000gil sellback) It would hurt if I got the Scorpion harness and the person I know who would LOVE it didn't get it (right now I have NO idea where it comes from though)

Personally, I would love an option to be able to gather in Eureka. I’m not sure how they could tie it in to the content or the relic, but just the option to do something other than mindlessly kill mobs or wait for NMs to spawn would be nice.

Giving us dailies as another option to gain elemental experience/receive Protean and Anemos Crystals would also be nice, and break up the monotony of camping a particular set of mobs and chain-killing them as they spawn. Could possibly tie in DoL/DoH to it as well, to give more variety for people that enjoy gathering and crafting.

I just want more variety in there. Right now, it feels too monotonous to me for it to be fun.

You couldnt put your post in the other 5 threads that were on the first page about eureka.....?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I just want more variety in there. Right now, it feels too monotonous to me for it to be fun.

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Give me literally anything that isn't just mob grinding. Or at least disguise the grinding in a clever way with a scavenger hunt...or something.

1) I agree with more variety. Daily quests like with beastmen, with objectives to do that feel like we're making real progress.

2) Let us desynth the items we get in there.

3) Stop putting cheap fireworks and nonsense in the lockboxes. I didn't spend hours downing a massive monster to get a freaking sparkler. It's an insult. I'm not saying you need to put a t-rex in every one but maybe some other rare items would be nice. If that means making lockboxes rarer, that's fine.

4) For the love of Halone, talk to us about Eureka. Why did it take so long just to end up like this? We sincerely want to know. If there's more planned for it that builds off of what we have now - tell us so!

5) If this is going to be purely a throwback to FFXI, can we have more themed armors, like these:
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/5/1/51a58653580b9d2819ba7b02d5666d1f.png
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/6/0/6066a1931caab4c12a1714962d5e07b4.png
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/c/7/c70aa35826d735bd8488343421ba203a.png

Look, i'm pretty sure NOBODY asked for gameplay like FFXI. Stop comparing FFXIV to FFXI or implementing FFXI gameplay into FFXIV. IT DOES NOT WORK else we all would be playing FFXIV 1.0 and it wouldn't have flopped.

The majority of us who sub and chose to play FFXIV is because of it's faster GCD, the raid and etc. If you are desperate to play grinding mob nostalgia games i am pretty sure you can still play FFXI or if you want to, go and play those korean mmo grind games.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-no-negativity

There is also this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-some-feedback.

Lets try to give the community team a break and limit how many threads we spread Eureka feedback over.

2 issues I have with your post.
This content is faceroll, and nothing about this has FFXI in it

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

3) Stop putting cheap fireworks and nonsense in the lockboxes. I didn't spend hours downing a massive monster to get a freaking sparkler. It's an insult. I'm not saying you need to put a t-rex in every one but maybe some other rare items would be nice. If that means making lockboxes rarer, that's fine.

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Please.. do this.. They need less lockboxes handouts without junk in them. All you are doing is making inventory bloat issue worse as the way it is now. It is a real joke, "out servers can't handle giving more inventory space" while at the same time handing us thousands of items, REMOVE ITEMS if your servers can't handle it!!! not hard logic.

oh god for the love of god implement a party finder function in eureka. Shouting for parties is one thing I hated about FFXI

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

3) Stop putting cheap fireworks and nonsense in the lockboxes. I didn't spend hours downing a massive monster to get a freaking sparkler. It's an insult. I'm not saying you need to put a t-rex in every one but maybe some other rare items would be nice. If that means making lockboxes rarer, that's fine.

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You know, I'm okay with fireworks from lootboxes - if it werent single ones!
I made that comment about PotD before and without adressing anything else here, I want to repeat it: I get that we need cheap stuff in there like fireworks. But please, please, at least give me more than one then. Give me like 20 - thats a quantatiy thats "useful" if you happen to like that firework. The single ones are getting used on the spot or thrown away - but at the same time I'm carrying several stacks of certain fireworks around.

So, please... if you want to keep them, I'm fine with that - but dont give me single ones. Give me a stack.

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Originally Posted by Naria

There is also this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-some-feedback.

Lets try to give the community team a break and limit how many threads we spread Eureka feedback over.

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The same can be said about all these negative threads about Eureka, which far outnumber the positive.

As for me, give me the ability to sell the lockbox glamour on the market (I'm fine with the rolls, mount, etc. being untradable), remove tracers and prisms from the loot list (why do we even still get these?!?), and make it a priority that in large crowds both the enemies and your party members are the last to start "disappearing".

The Scorpion outfit comes from the one NM that's a scorpion, it's pretty high level.

Anyway I feel like the lockboxes are weird. They made the minions tradable and sellable, but not anything else? My friend got 2 red mage bardings and feels terrible that he has to pitch it. I have well over 5 of the same shirts...

I like the random drops from some NMs but I hope there's more. I got the Emperor's hairpin today and I saw someone get the Scorpion Harness.

I posted this in a similar thread, leaving it here too as food for thought.

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Why do most of these suggestions result in the further dumbing down of this content "Make it easier, grind is too long, more drops" I'm of a mind that they could take this even further.

I wish they had it so each weapon/armor was obtained from meeting specific requirements in Eureka. IE: for the warrior weapon, you must have a 30 chain on axebeak mobs. And only have hints given from Gerolt not exact quests or markers (like what we have from Krill right now for the Magicite)

Would have liked unique gear, not just dyable AF3.

More ways to spawn monsters other than just zerg. would also like a claim system for some rare monsters (you have an item that will spawn the monster, only your party can attack it.

An alliance party forming mechanism so you can join parties together, then claim systems can also take part in that.

Elemental wheel to do more. Dont know what but it needs to be more than what it is, hopefully that comes in updates.

I would love to see a new map that uses 1.0's Black Shroud map but have it setup as a copy pasta procedually generated area, so each instance will be slightly different in were mobs spawn and what mobs pop.

What I DONT want to see is:
Drops increased (i feel its fine as is)
Monsters nerfed
ANY SORT OF NERF TO THIS CONTENT

Its easy enough as is, the grind is real but necessary. Any less and people will zerg the content in a week and be done with it. its supposed to last and take a long time. Please Yoshi-P dont let the crybabies ruin this content too. While its not perfect its head and shoulders above anything else thats been added so far (with the exception of PotD), all it needs is to grow and be more involved. Its a good start and nerfing the heck out of this will not help anyone.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Personally, I would love an option to be able to gather in Eureka. I’m not sure how they could tie it in to the content or the relic, but just the option to do something other than mindlessly kill mobs or wait for NMs to spawn would be nice.

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This, Atm the elephant in the room with Eureka is the lack of other stuff beside relics and the story

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Personally, I would love an option to be able to gather in Eureka. I’m not sure how they could tie it in to the content or the relic, but just the option to do something other than mindlessly kill mobs or wait for NMs to spawn would be nice.

Giving us dailies as another option to gain elemental experience/receive Protean and Anemos Crystals would also be nice, and break up the monotony of camping a particular set of mobs and chain-killing them as they spawn. Could possibly tie in DoL/DoH to it as well, to give more variety for people that enjoy gathering and crafting.

I just want more variety in there. Right now, it feels too monotonous to me for it to be fun.

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While that seems great on paper, I feel that would turn Eureka more into a Diadem clone than it already is. Such as by adding DoL gathering points. I don't really want another repeat of people switching to gathering jobs while you're trying to farm again making it difficult to chain mobs because "player C and D" decided to go gather until a NM spawns.
The Daily/Weeklies would also have to very because if I have already finished mine for the day, I don't want some random joining my party breaking off to go kill 30 whatever monsters when the group is over here trying to spawn NM. Dailies would become a distraction imo.

Don't get me wrong, I love your suggestions, I just feel that those were partly to blame to Diadem's failure. The goals of individuals within a party back in Diadem differ to much because of the activities available.

Loot table.
Why would you do an old school content in a MMORPG without loot table ? Give some rare goodies to have and different mobs give different things, even if it's just furniture, glamour or even TT cards, anything.

Also, I'm not sure why boxes instead of a token shop with crafting material, materia, pots, food and stuff like this. I know that lot of things already do that, but i would completly grind mobs in Eureka for this instead of doing daily quests. I'm pretty bad with scheduled, daily type of content, I always lose track of it and end up not doing it at some point.

Party farming at Eureka is pretty chill, don't really hate that type of content.

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While that seems great on paper, I feel that would turn Eureka more into a Diadem clone than it already is. Such as by adding DoL gathering points. I don't really want another repeat of people switching to gathering jobs while you're trying to farm again making it difficult to chain mobs because "player C and D" decided to go gather until a NM spawns.

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Gee, it's almost like Parties aren't 100% required in Eureka like they were in Diadem, so gatherers could queue solo or together and not bother those doing battle content—just like in the overworld. Hide even works in the place so Stealth would very obviously be applicable too. Please, don't base what could be done with Eureka on the failures of Diadem, this is an over-world zone in every way other than the fact it is cross-server; gathering should have come as a standard, and people should be allowed to craft in there as well. Combat in this game is exceptionally boring on its own and not allowing players to switch from combat jobs will shorten the life of the zone once the rush to get the first stages of the relic are over.

Considering the fact that Eureka: Anemos is not the entirety of Eureka and is just the zone for the first step, this is a problem. As it means Anemos lifespan is on a timer that is slowly ticking down with every day that passes and will die and be beyond salvation the moment people are able to get their stuff and sit idly by to wait for the next step. It is a huge oversight and your so-called concerns are unfounded in that regard. Plus, unlike Diadem you can kick crafters and gatherers and move along on your merry way—your fears haven't a leg to stand upon.

I like all of Niqote's suggestions.

I would also like to see more quests. Not like repeatables/dailies, but more things to figure out, explore, reveal more lore, and so on.

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but... a general/non-ninja-specific stealth option? More for exploring/scenic stuff than any battle/gameplay reason.

Lastly... I would like it if healers had a bit more interaction with the elemental system. For example, how about if you heal a target on the same elemental alignment as you, heals have reduced MP cost? Or anything really.

Not losing 2 levels to a bug would be nice :(

Party Finder in Eureka would definitely be good to have. Other ideas have been posted before and this one has probably already been said, but I feel it needs to be said over and over again as it is a pretty big issue.

NM's and AoE's take priority over everything. They should NEVER disappear, especially when you have the player/object settings set to Minimal.

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Considering the fact that Eureka: Anemos is not the entirety of Eureka and is just the zone for the first step, this is a problem. As it means Anemos lifespan is on a timer that is slowly ticking down with every day that passes and will die and be beyond salvation the moment people are able to get their stuff and sit idly by to wait for the next step. It is a huge oversight and your so-called concerns are unfounded in that regard. Plus, unlike Diadem you can kick crafters and gatherers and move along on your merry way—your fears haven't a leg to stand upon.

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People have confirmed that NM's scale based on how many people are currently in Eureka's instance. So if Teles spawns and there's only 16 people in Eureka, it's still going to take roughly the same amount of time it would normally take to kill her if 144 people were in the instance (4-8 minutes seems to be the norm). So as long as you at least go in with a group of people and farm the mobs that spawn the NM (unknown if that scales), then Eureko won't be super dead for those just starting. Probably.

Would be nice to trade the many 99 fireworks for a mount.

I think the people complaining about fireworks and etc in the lockbockes are missing the point of RNG.
But having stuff tradable would be nice. Let others people bad luck be my profits. (aka I wanna shell out gil for the t-rex because I have bad luck).

Yeah.. I'll toss those fireworks onto the market board. They'll sell... eventually.

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

Look, i'm pretty sure NOBODY asked for gameplay like FFXI. Stop comparing FFXIV to FFXI or implementing FFXI gameplay into FFXIV. IT DOES NOT WORK else we all would be playing FFXIV 1.0 and it wouldn't have flopped.

The majority of us who sub and chose to play FFXIV is because of it's faster GCD, the raid and etc. If you are desperate to play grinding mob nostalgia games i am pretty sure you can still play FFXI or if you want to, go and play those korean mmo grind games.

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Oh, you are one of those.

lol

Sneak oils and prism powders anyone?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I think the people complaining about fireworks and etc in the lockbockes are missing the point of RNG.
But having stuff tradable would be nice. Let others people bad luck be my profits. (aka I wanna shell out gil for the t-rex because I have bad luck).

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Would hurt them soo much making mmh I dunno some basic crafting materials I wonder?

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Originally Posted by Niqote

-Allow us to at least desynth the furniture and clothing from reward bags
I have 7 helms, 8 pants and more Cabinets then I need. Not being able to trade, sell or desynth these is a little too much. At least I can give the Cabinets to FC friends via our house.

-Allow us to sell and trade rare items
I never wanted the Tyrannosaurus mount, but I got it. I would have loved to give it to a friend or even sell it (for more then the 1000gil sellback) It would hurt if I got the Scorpion harness and the person I know who would LOVE it didn't get it (right now I have NO idea where it comes from though)

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God yes PLEASE.
I have so plenty of them and it's really meeeeh to think that I'll just have to throw them away while I could have trade it with friends or even desynth. I don't even get why it's personnal, this is a ridiculous choice.

Here's something the players can do to improve- stop trying to spawn Serket unless you've got a capable train and people of suitable level. Tired of watching tanks getting one or two shotted by scorpions and watching a group slowly fall apart after half an hour of beating our heads against a wall and not getting the spawn. Doesn't help that half the people are sitting there afk waiting for him to spawn.

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I think the people complaining about fireworks and etc in the lockbockes are missing the point of RNG.

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What annoys me about that loot is their duration is insanely short. I legit would love to have a purple star above my head for a half hour instead of a few seconds. These could actually be fun if they lasted far longer.

Eureka requires an absurd amount of time to progress, there's a huge incentive to grind for long periods of time given the investment in setting up a group and getting to camp, and the primary method is extreme grinding. It's killing my wrist.

Please slow down the GCD in Eureka or switch to PVP-style reduced action sets. Grinding for long periods of time + complicated rotations = horrible, unfun fatigue.

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God yes PLEASE.
I have so plenty of them and it's really meeeeh to think that I'll just have to throw them away while I could have trade it with friends or even desynth. I don't even get why it's personnal, this is a ridiculous choice.

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Ask for rights of the person you want to give it too or sell and put it in their house. Making any furnishing untradable is literally pointless.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I think the people complaining about fireworks and etc in the lockbockes are missing the point of RNG.
But having stuff tradable would be nice. Let others people bad luck be my profits. (aka I wanna shell out gil for the t-rex because I have bad luck).

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Most places you see rng don't have inventory issues.

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Originally Posted by Snowborn

Please slow down the GCD in Eureka or switch to PVP-style reduced action sets. Grinding for long periods of time + complicated rotations = horrible, unfun fatigue.

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This would make grinding extremely monotonous. Many find it to be so already.

I think you need to play a different class if you find your rotation unpleasant for long periods of time.

- I would like to have gatherer content in there like we can in diadem and also hidden treasure chest.
- Npc that exchange things we get from eureka. For example, you can trade mats you get from gathering, mob drop, lockbox for special food that buff you in Eureka only, etc.

- While there are already special equipments drop from NM, I would like to have gears with special attribute that can be use only in Eureka in common. (tbh I actually expected new relic gonna have special bonus that work only in Eureka so that it won't mess PvE balance ourside Eureka).

I'm ok with loosing exp, but de-leveling is terrible

Add Ilvl 350 Accessories and Belts To Gerolt's Reward list. Maybe make them job specific Accessories and belts xD.

Maybe add Tomestone of Creation as well when killing NMs.

Return shouldn't have a cooldown in Eureka, IMO.

It would also be nice if there was an item that allows you to warp other players in your party to your location for the sake of making it easier to get people together.

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

Look, i'm pretty sure NOBODY asked for gameplay like FFXI. Stop comparing FFXIV to FFXI or implementing FFXI gameplay into FFXIV. IT DOES NOT WORK else we all would be playing FFXIV 1.0 and it wouldn't have flopped.

The majority of us who sub and chose to play FFXIV is because of it's faster GCD, the raid and etc. If you are desperate to play grinding mob nostalgia games i am pretty sure you can still play FFXI or if you want to, go and play those korean mmo grind games.

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I think what people are missing here is that FFXI V1.0 flopped for a few reasons, and even according to the documentary it was because they tried to just make FFXI but with graphics that were about four-to-ten video card generations ahead of where PC hardware needed to be. Just so you know, mid-tier laptops now come with GTX 1050Ti's, which is capable of doing HD (1920x1080 @ 60fps) in DX11 mode. Had they not done what they did and cut the graphics fidelity in half, the amount of people who could play it would be reduced by 75%. (Despite this, Square-Enix still hasn't learned this lesson with Nier: Automata and FFXV PC versions, as these games require the most expensive video card and still only get 30-45fps at 4K, so you have to play the games at 720p on anything that isn't new.)

Japanese MMO games are all "gear grind" games, basically you kill stuff, you buy better gear, so you can kill harder stuff, so you can get more gear. This comes entirely from JRPG's origins in Wizardry and Ultima, which were both Western CRPG's.

Korean MMO games actually take the "Craft rubbish" thing to level crafting that nobody actually buys. Where FFXIV at least has some logical progression in crafting and has ways of disposing of unwanted gear other than selling it for nothing.

Western MMO games, well are just ugly, so no JRPG fans play those :)

According to the documentary, they saw WoW going to eat their lunch of they didn't change FFXIV to be faster paced. Hence FFXIV is the only game that hasn't adopted the "loot-box" gambling model of gear progression.

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I'm ok with loosing exp, but de-leveling is terrible

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That's something that should have stopped being a thing in 2003 or so. Even in games I'm aware of that do "negative experience", they only negative to one level, so you can't actually lose a level, you just can't drop below 0.