Can we please have the option to switch personal homes into FC homes??

Long story short, my FC leader wants to change his personal home into the FC home since it's better than the FC home and bigger. The FC home is a small but his personal is a large so it just makes more sense.


Why is this not possible? :/
We should be able to swap our personal house to an FC house. Even if that means giving up our current FC house in order to do so, that's fine. An option like "Convert this plot into an FC plot?" would be helpful.

interesting idea, but i prefer the current split selection more.

you could like relocate the current private on a free plot or relinquish it so your guild can build one there

I never understood why one couldn't "convert" a home to an FC house...call it a "remodel" and pay a Gil Fee....its not that big of a deal really.

Course i maybe overlooking a mechanic or something but even then.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

interesting idea, but i prefer the current split selection more.

you could like relocate the current private on a free plot or relinquish it so your guild can build one there

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This would have been fine but you can't do it anymore. Now upon relinquishing a plot, it becomes unavailable for a time. This was to prevent reselling, which is great. But sadly it also blocks legit people from doing this.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

I never understood why one couldn't "convert" a home to an FC house...call it a "remodel" and pay a Gil Fee....its not that big of a deal really.

Course i maybe overlooking a mechanic or something but even then.

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I agree, it seems quite simple honestly. :/ I would happily pay the price.

Guessing it has to with how they designed personal housing back in 2013-14. And they are to lazy/dont want to/ change the system since personal is basicly a copy paste in terms of purchase a FC house minus workshops and rooms.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Guessing it has to with how they designed personal housing back in 2013-14. And they are to lazy/dont want to/ change the system since personal is basicly a copy paste in terms of purchase a FC house minus workshops and rooms.

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I'm guessing so as well but if they could do relocating I don't see why they can't do this?? Or at the very least, let us set our homes to "Friends only" for entrance and allow us to select as many people as we want who can teleport there (and maybe make it so tenants reset timers as well while we're at it? Especially since we can only have 3 tenants anyway?)

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Guessing it has to with how they designed personal housing back in 2013-14. And they are to lazy/dont want to/ change the system since personal is basically a copy paste in terms of purchase a FC house minus workshops and rooms.

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Well considering the hazard of redesigning a system/integration - a "conversion" would be in a sense - a short cut - destroy the house - rebuild it and make it FC capable - but its not that simple - you have inventory/furniture/storage/outdoor furniture sitting there. It's also likely the reason why they decided to do this - that being - prevent of abuse/gil farming/etc.

Or not.

Its already very easy to get gil these days. Housing is an on going argument and with that - likely will be an ongoing frustration.

But still - a hefty fee to convert would stem the tide. - Make it a one way trip - that way they can't be flipped back to personal use. They favor FC's over personal use already as it is.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

Why is this not possible? :/ .

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It's open to abusing the system.

If I own a large personal house that an FC is interested in. I could sell the plot to them by them letting me in their FC and then giving me house permissions to do the upgrade, then leaving the FC.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

It's open to abusing the system.

If I own a large personal house that an FC is interested in. I could sell the plot to them by them letting me in their FC and then giving me house permissions to do the upgrade, then leaving the FC.

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^<Points to previous post>
He raises a good point...that's prob why they don't do it.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

It's open to abusing the system.

If I own a large personal house that an FC is interested in. I could sell the plot to them by them letting me in their FC and then giving me house permissions to do the upgrade, then leaving the FC.

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I was intending to only let the FC leader do it with their own personal house. But allowing any member to do it... I don't think this is really an issue, either. I hardly think people making an offer on a house they like when they are willing to pay is the problem. Someone offered my friend 100mil for his large house. He said no but if he had said yes is it really such a huge problem (100mil isn't too far off from the 45mil price tag, considering 45mil of that is a refund of what he paid and the rest is just an offer)? The real problem is people who buy a plot with the intention to sell it for an exorbitant price, purposely taking a home only to flip it for cash.

Although it's true that someone could potentially buy a personal house with the intention of selling it to an FC for cash, someone could also just make an FC with 4+ people in it and buy a house, then sell the FC with the house. I'm sure there is no shortage of people who would give up a ton of gil/cash for a house on certain servers, even if it means telling all of their members to transfer to the new FC.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

This would have been fine but you can't do it anymore. Now upon relinquishing a plot, it becomes unavailable for a time. This was to prevent reselling, which is great. But sadly it also blocks legit people from doing this.

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In this case, it would be possible though - if I understand correctly, the FC has a house already?
Relocating ignores the random timer - so if he gives up his personal house (or relocates it, I'd expect there are other houses on Zalera still open?), you can relocate the FC-house to that plot immidiatly.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Well considering the hazard of redesigning a system/integration - a "conversion" would be in a sense - a short cut - destroy the house - rebuild it and make it FC capable - but its not that simple - you have inventory/furniture/storage/outdoor furniture sitting there. It's also likely the reason why they decided to do this - that being - prevent of abuse/gil farming/etc.

Or not.

Its already very easy to get gil these days. Housing is an on going argument and with that - likely will be an ongoing frustration.

But still - a hefty fee to convert would stem the tide. - Make it a one way trip - that way they can't be flipped back to personal use. They favor FC's over personal use already as it is.

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I think it's a anti abuse system that was in their mind. Problem now is the RNG timer, so even if said leader relinqish the plot so said FC and reclaim and it purchase it they simply can't until timer says "OK!"

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Originally Posted by Mikki

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True....and prior to 4.25 - this was possible. My house was freely given to me as a gift of thankfulness (A small ) - the process in which it was done was very quick/very efficient. - Now today? The timer will block that.

As for selling the FC - well...i guess if your THAT desperate to get a house....seems like a lot of work to go through...but people will do weird things. It only took me and my partner 72 hours to get rank 6 to buy a house...from the moment we started our FC...prob would have done it sooner in fact. Just needed the gil and the will to farm gear for GC Seals.

There are legitimate and FAIR situations where people will sell a house without resorting to extortion or exorbitant prices. But the abuse possibility is too high.

Honestly the direction SE is taking his is likely going to help balance things out. No its not perfect...but its better than it was before.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I think it's a anti abuse system that was in their mind. Problem now is the RNG timer, so even if said leader relinqish the plot so said FC and reclaim and it purchase it they simply can't until timer says "OK!"

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Not entirely true....if the FC already has a house..they can "relocate" - as far as I understood it.
The timer is only a factor if your buying a plot upfront. (FC doesn't get a timer - If I'm not mistaken - or maybe they do? Need confirmation. SO CONFUSING! >.<;;)

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Not entirely true....if the FC already has a house..they can "relocate" - as far as I understood it.
The timer is only a factor if your buying a plot upfront. (FC doesn't get a timer - If I'm not mistaken - or maybe they do? Need confirmation. SO CONFUSING! >.<;;)

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FC's get the timer for straight up purchases, just like individuals will when the moratorium ends. But transfers are on another systrem, so yes they could relinquish the personal house and transfer the fc rights the same minute.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

This would have been fine but you can't do it anymore. Now upon relinquishing a plot, it becomes unavailable for a time. This was to prevent reselling, which is great. But sadly it also blocks legit people from doing this.

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The RNG timer does not apply to relocations, so the FC leader could relinquish his house, then immediately relocate the FC house there, assuming he has the funds to basically repurchase the lot (relocation barely takes anything off plot price).

With the demolition timer being randomised I feel this feature is vital. As it is now fcs are basically locked out of reliably turning a personal plot into a fc plot.

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Originally Posted by Genpai

FC's get the timer for straight up purchases, just like individuals will when the moratorium ends. But transfers are on another systrem, so yes they could relinquish the personal house and transfer the fc rights the same minute.

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Except there was no timer when my FC bought our house..so this period a temp thing?

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Except there was no timer when my FC bought our house..so this period a temp thing?

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There is a random timer from a plot being relinquished/ demolished until it is available for purchase (not relocation, just new purchase). Anything in the new wards would not have had the timer unless someone bought a house, then relocated elsewhere (seems really silly, but I think it happened to a few people).

This sounds like a reasonable idea, actually.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

In this case, it would be possible though - if I understand correctly, the FC has a house already?
Relocating ignores the random timer - so if he gives up his personal house (or relocates it, I'd expect there are other houses on Zalera still open?), you can relocate the FC-house to that plot immidiatly.

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Oh wow, really?? :o
Are you 100% sure about this? I'd hate to tell him that if it were not the case. To be honest it sounds just as easy to abuse if it is so I'm kind of confused... (As in resellers can still resell, but just to people who already have homes they dislike)

The other sad part is the fact that he and I spent weeks decorating the house, using the floating wall trick for most things so to redo it is kind of a daunting thought. e___e; If we could just switch it over that would be much nicer.... :'(

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

True....and prior to 4.25 - this was possible. My house was freely given to me as a gift of thankfulness (A small ) - the process in which it was done was very quick/very efficient. - Now today? The timer will block that.

As for selling the FC - well...i guess if your THAT desperate to get a house....seems like a lot of work to go through...but people will do weird things. It only took me and my partner 72 hours to get rank 6 to buy a house...from the moment we started our FC...prob would have done it sooner in fact. Just needed the gil and the will to farm gear for GC Seals.

There are legitimate and FAIR situations where people will sell a house without resorting to extortion or exorbitant prices. But the abuse possibility is too high.

Honestly the direction SE is taking his is likely going to help balance things out. No its not perfect...but its better than it was before.

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I agree, it's a tough situation where abuse is hard to prevent. I understand that they're doing what they can and overall I think it's great but it's a bit frustrating for people who actually aren't trying to abuse it. I think, personally, they should just have some kind of system in place that flags accounts for review when certain conditions are met. Such as: Buying several houses on multiple servers and relinquishing ownership of them within 3 months, Buying any house and relinquishing it within 3 months, An FC with less than X members purchasing a house and then either relinquishing or changing ownership of the FC within 3 months, etc. Investigate these situations; if the new owner of the FC/house recently has done a large transaction of any sort this should be obvious.

I think there are a lot of ways to help prevent this. I think the best step was definitely to lock 1 house per server per service account, beyond that I don't think what they've done is bad at all - many people suggested things such as this. But an automated system I think could work well too while allowing a bit more freedom for legitimate players. I have also known several people who have gifted houses.... it's such a kind gesture. It's sad that such a thing won't really be feasible anymore. :/

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Originally Posted by Mikki

Oh wow, really?? :o
Are you 100% sure about this? I'd hate to tell him that if it were not the case. To be honest it sounds just as easy to abuse if it is so I'm kind of confused... (As in resellers can still resell, but just to people who already have homes they dislike)

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100% certain, there's information about relocation ignoring the timer in the housing guide. And yeah, it's already being abused lol but what can you do. But this would still be a nice option for Square to add.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

Oh wow, really?? :o
Are you 100% sure about this? I'd hate to tell him that if it were not the case. To be honest it sounds just as easy to abuse if it is so I'm kind of confused... (As in resellers can still resell, but just to people who already have homes they dislike)

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As Elamys confirmed: yep, works!

I just wanted to advice that he doesnt give up his house but relocates it aswell - assuming you have any open plots left on Zalera - that will free up the plot for the FC aswell and he wont lose a personal home! :)
(even if he has to downgrade, but you dont seem to mind!)

And well... "abuse" - relocating doesnt take an open plot from the market, so its really just about getting a nicer location/better house. So its not as bad as the former reselling.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

The other sad part is the fact that he and I spent weeks decorating the house, using the floating wall trick for most things so to redo it is kind of a daunting thought. e___e; If we could just switch it over that would be much nicer.... :'(

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That is one of the big downsides. He'll have to move all that furniture over as well because he's either going to have to pick it up if he goes to demo plot or snag it out of storage if he relocates because it'll all go to the new plot. If you're going to go through with it, make sure to go on a screenshot frenzy so you can get everything back the way you want it. It can still be a pain, but it's easier if you have an idea where everything is going.

Housing acquisition and plots is terrible in general in xiv. Its literally just adding a workshop door?

Wish this was a thing since I was thinking of making my own FC and switching my personal to an FC house....