This is all DRKs get?

Where's the potency increases? Where's the actual buffs?

In a wishes tree how is burning right now

You will get more mana, so you actually be able to use it on something useful like dark passenger.

Dark Passenger potency increased to 110. Dark Arts potency increased to 250.
Coming Patch 4.55.
Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You will get more mana, so you actually be able to use it on something useful like dark passenger.

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If you mean the delirium change that has already been mathed to only increase dps by 0.50% - 0.60%, it might make tanking dungeons slightly better but that's about it

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You will get more mana, so you actually be able to use it on something useful like dark passenger.

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Implying that dark passenger is getting an indirect buff like this fails to acknowledge the issues with dark passenger as is, as well as how insignificant that "more MP" will be when MP wasn't really an issue to begin with.

I already figured Square-enix had absolutely no idea how to buff Dark Knight Properly, and this just proves my theories lol. They nerfed pld a bit, gave Warrior an over exaggerated buff not really necessary, and dark got spit on again. Squeenix does not noe de wey anymore :<

You imply that they knew de wae in the first place.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Implying that dark passenger is getting an indirect buff like this fails to acknowledge the issues with dark passenger as is, as well as how insignificant that "more MP" will be when MP wasn't really an issue to begin with.

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Ooof BRUH that was clearly a joke, as everyone knows Dark Passenger isn't useful.

Someone did the math on Reddit and apparently the dps increase is extremely minimal, like 0.5/6% increase in DPS total lol. Paladins get a 1.6/7% nerf but overall are still going to output more DPS than us so... GG Square, basically nothing changed.

Nothing...changed. Do they not even do their OWN math on their OWN GAME. Blizzard does a better JOB!

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Nothing...changed. Do they not even do their OWN math on their OWN GAME. Blizzard does a better JOB!

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Honestly it's kind of like they're building houses without measuring any wood properly.

I like some of the suggestions people have been throwing around. Slight potency increase to Bloodspiller. Reduce or remove mp cost of Dark Passenger. Right? It needed more of a dps gain than it got to make up for lack of utility. Well you could give it utility instead, like Sole Survivor also places a vulnerability up debuff on the target to boost raid dps. If that's too much... I guess an aoe shield mitigation to match the other two tanks?

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

You imply that they knew de wae in the first place.

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ohhh dear, you are right. xD

I made a thread in general in regards to tank balance:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Tank-Balance/

Honestly I think this is kind of an issue that needs to be in general discussion because at this point it doesn't just affect tanks.

Anyone expecting anything different is obviously not familiar with FFXI's Drk and SE's updates... A similar pattern appears.

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Originally Posted by jstamos

Ooof BRUH that was clearly a joke, as everyone knows Dark Passenger isn't useful.

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2400 MP for 100 potency on a boss.
just DA alone gives you 140 potency boost to any skill (aside from C&S).
So yeah, it is.

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I now am not sure if I'm jumping the shark or not. =_=

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

Anyone expecting anything different is obviously not familiar with FFXI's Drk and SE's updates... A similar pattern appears.

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Are you talking about how PLD in Heavensward went from being the worst tank in the to the best tank in the game in Stormblood? If so then you're probably talking about how they are going to over buff DRK in 5.0 and maybe WAR...

But that may be wishful thinking... 5.0 will become the Final Fantasy 14 equivalent of World of Warcraft's Warlords of Draenor expansion... calling it right now...

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Originally Posted by Kalocin

Someone did the math on Reddit and apparently the dps increase is extremely minimal, like 0.5/6% increase in DPS total lol. Paladins get a 1.6/7% nerf but overall are still going to output more DPS than us so... GG Square, basically nothing changed.

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I'm not that good at math, and play on PS4 so don't check any kind of fflogs, but isn't .5-.6% increase in overall DPS massive? For example, if the average DRK contributes 3k, they would now be doing 4.5k? I see .5 and .6 and think 50%-60% respectively, but I think you mean 5%-6% (.05-.06%). Just trying to clear up any confusion, coz I look at these updates, and I am seeing only a very marginal DPS increase to DRK. Like, not even enough to actually look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Kalocin

Someone did the math on Reddit and apparently the dps increase is extremely minimal, like 0.5/6% increase in DPS total lol. Paladins get a 1.6/7% nerf but overall are still going to output more DPS than us so... GG Square, basically nothing changed.

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Bok's math is wrong. They failed to consider the Haste effect from Blood Weapon which is a damning error on their part as that is going to be one of the largest benefits from the change to delirium. All Bok focused on was the resource gain while outright ignoring the fact we have the potential to gain GCDs from Blood Weapon. It's a buff, albeit a small one, but Bok needs to redo their math before making such bold claims. Simply using the GCD delay for the Genji weapon isn't enough when Blood Weapon itself lowers our GCD, cast times, and recast times by 10%.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm not that good at math, and play on PS4 so don't check any kind of fflogs, but isn't .5-.6% increase in overall DPS massive? For example, if the average DRK contributes 3k, they would now be doing 4.5k? I see .5 and .6 and think 50%-60% respectively, but I think you mean 5%-6% (.05-.06%). Just trying to clear up any confusion, coz I look at these updates, and I am seeing only a very marginal DPS increase to DRK. Like, not even enough to actually look forward to.

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0.5 As in less than 1% of a difference. So if you were doing 3000, you now do 3015.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Bok's math is wrong. They failed to consider the Haste effect from Blood Weapon which is a damning error on their part as that is going to be one of the largest benefits from the change to delirium. All Bok focused on was the resource gain while outright ignoring the fact we have the potential to gain GCDs from Blood Weapon. It's a buff, albeit a small one, but Bok needs to redo their math before making such bold claims. Simply using the GCD delay for the Genji weapon isn't enough when Blood Weapon itself lowers our GCD, cast times, and recast times by 10%.

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He mentioned the extra GCDs you get in blood weapon. That looks to be in his math

"We have improved DRK's usability... in being a meme" ...

In all seriousness though, multiple threads, a large consolidated feedback thread... I'm not sure what more we can do. It's all very depressing. Praise be they left NIN alone, which I main as DPS at least.

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Originally Posted by Ash_

Praise be they left NIN alone, which I main as DPS at least.

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On the contrary, dis-aligning some cool-downs with Trick Attack is an indirect nerf to Ninja.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Are you talking about how PLD in Heavensward went from being the worst tank in the to the best tank in the game in Stormblood? If so then you're probably talking about how they are going to over buff DRK in 5.0 and maybe WAR...

But that may be wishful thinking... 5.0 will become the Final Fantasy 14 equivalent of World of Warcraft's Warlords of Draenor expansion... calling it right now...

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No, I was referencing Final Fantasy 11 (FFXI) where buffs to Drk were constantly counterproductive or fell horribly short to correct simple issues. All in the name of balance that SE couldn't quite define for itself. SE still has no idea what to do with Drk in a mmorpg, 16 years later.

Well it took a whole expansion for them to correct their mistake with BRD soooo I don't have any fiath that DRK will ever see anything valuable....the changes for 4.2 will go unnoticed lol SE I thought the launch of stormblood tanks was your biggest failure now I'm reconsidering and wonder if you even play your own game XD

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Originally Posted by Corue

Dark Passenger potency increased to 110. Dark Arts potency increased to 250.
Coming Patch 4.55.
Please look forward to it.

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Dark Arts mp cost increased to 5384.
Dark Passenger mp cost increased to 2692.

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Well it took a whole expansion for them to correct their mistake with BRD soooo I don't have any fiath that DRK will ever see anything valuable....the changes for 4.2 will go unnoticed lol SE I thought the launch of stormblood tanks was your biggest failure now I'm reconsidering and wonder if you even play your own game XD

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Implying they even listen to anyone that isn't native to Japan...

Let's be real... Square-Enix is primarily a Japanese Game Developer first, so Japan is going to be first, and everyone else second...

Also, Square-Enix still thinks that any Final Fantasy movie after Spirits Within was a huge success... If didn't work the first 3 times why the hell would it work the next hundred times?!

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

No, I was referencing Final Fantasy 11 (FFXI) where buffs to Drk were constantly counterproductive or fell horribly short to correct simple issues. All in the name of balance that SE couldn't quite define for itself. SE still has no idea what to do with Drk in a mmorpg, 16 years later.

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I mean to be fair, DRK in HW was perfect.

I am disappointed....TBN change is nice but DRK needs so much more...I will try it out not sure if i really want to continue playing....

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Originally Posted by Phileas

[...] not sure if i really want to continue playing....

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i just gave away my private house and said my FC goodbye :O

i would be happier when they continued with ignoring DRK, at least then i still had hope that we will get the needed buffs and changes somewhere in the future... but when this is the future... just no.

I would love to see the DRK buffed properly but it seems like that will not happen anytime soon, they will probably just nerf PLD and WAR to the oblivion, to match them with the DRK.

At least it looks like it, that will decrease the number of tanks playing the game, well if thats their concept, then good luck on it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I would love to see the DRK buffed properly but it seems like that will not happen anytime soon, they will probably just nerf PLD and WAR to the oblivion, to match them with the DRK.

At least it looks like it, that will decrease the number of tanks playing the game, well if thats their concept, then good luck on it.

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Multiple sources are reporting around the same idea of a buff for warrior. The balance discord and Anna came it similar conclusions.

So if anything paladin and dark knight are more equal, while warrior just got stronger. See below:

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Sat down. Plotted out every single GCD and OGCD in a in both current and 4.2 war for an entire cycle (90 sec for 4.2, 120 for current). Accounted for AAs. Accounted for enhanced infuriate. Zerk/IR buffs. 10% and 20% maims. Old potency vs new potency.

Ill probably write up a detailed post tomorrow to explain the process cuz screw that at 5am.

TLDR:

4.1 Current war Pot/GCD rotation
519.58 potency per GCD

4.2 war doing the same process
536.46 per gcd.

Net buff of 3.2%.

There are very minor factors I did not account for. For starters:
*My 4.2 rotation is not quite optimized. I ended up stuck on a heavy swing before the next IR window which breaks the combo. Also got stuck with an awkward amount of gauge so had to use 1 onslaught and still had a leftover 10 gauge. Playing with the SS amount and such will improve it. It can only go up from here.
*The 4.1 zerk/IR windows dont have crit included as I just measured pot/time, but thats a fairly simple addition i might do after some sleep, but its not going to buff an entire 2 min rotation by some ridiculous amount like 10% to upend the results.

Its a fudging buff. A small one. Just like SE said it was.

I could be a smidge off here or there, but were still in the realm of side grade territory even if I fudged something up a little. Comfortably out of sky is falling land. Sleep then double check stuff.

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And then we have:

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

His analysis is incomplete and napkin at best. He didn't construct the new rotation to math out the actual effects of all the variables involved. Current numbers from The Balance indicate a modest ~3% buff as long as you can fit 5 gcds into IR.

If anything, WARs should be complaining about joining in on the MCH Overheat memes. Missing that 5th gcd in the new IR is going to be huge dps loss.

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So this was a buff all along. However, many may still have playstyle issues and should feel free to complain about it, the main point is this is not a dps nerf that needs to be undone.

At this point all us DRK mains should become botanists mains with all the crap they are handing us

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Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising

Multiple sources are reporting around the same idea of a buff for warrior. The balance discord and Anna came it similar conclusions.

So if anything paladin and dark knight are more equal, while warrior just got stronger. See below:



And then we have:



So this was a buff all along. However, many may still have playstyle issues and should feel free to complain about it, the main point is this is not a dps nerf that needs to be undone.

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I also heard it is a buff for players who cant pull out the maximum out of the warrior, but it also a big nerf to the ones who do everything perfectly.

So they making warrior easier to play and less effecient if played perfectly well.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I mean to be fair, DRK in HW was perfect.

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I agree with you. They just needed to add the blood gauge / TBN to what we already had then balanced potencies with the other tanks.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I also heard it is a buff for players who cant pull out the maximum out of the warrior, but it also a big nerf to the ones who do everything perfectly.

So they making warrior easier to play and less effecient if played perfectly well.

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I don't think this is what is shown. But I have not done the analysis myself so we will need to wait for someone who has to post their results for that kind of analysis, I tried some more indepth calculations enough to rule out a serious nerf. Given what people have posted, there is no reason to think this is a nerf to the top. This should be a general buff to warrior, those who were doing the correct things before should also reap benefits.

Nerf senario's would need to rely on extremely high direct crit arguments which are not likely to happen.

I'm sorry none of the tanks are happy with 4.2 but this is a drk thread. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Ortheri

I'm sorry none of the tanks are happy with 4.2 but this is a drk thread. Just saying.

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Every thread is thread-jacked because there's many players who play all jobs of the same role type. Savvy?

Yeah, I play PLD too. Just don't want it to be totally jacked