So in the LIVE Letter from the Producer videos, Yoshi-P touched on Dragoons and their wyvern pets, about how they were inseparable. I completely agree with this. He then asked a question. Would you want your character's stats weakened to balance the pet/character combo? To this I would suggest...
In my opinion, the only reason I like a wyvern by my side is because it looks extremely cool. I wouldn't play a Dragoon if my stats were seriously lower because I had a pet. So because of this, I came up with a small solution. How about having the Wyvern always stay by the Dragoon's side, but have no health and it being simply for looks. Now, it goes without saying that the Dragoon will have some very specific skills. What you can do is that when the Dragoon uses these skills, the Wyvern does something. For instance, when the Dragoon does something along the lines of a penta-stab, you can have the wyvern assist in the attack (Cool animation here). The stats don't have to be split because the damage is not being done by the wyvern, it's simply the skill itself doing the damage. The wyvern itself is simply there for the looks and animation.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't think about the Dragoon as "Pet + Character" but rather the wyvern being the extension of a Dragoon, like the Dragoon and the wyvern are one character. Therefore, it makes since if the wyvern has no health because the Dragoon and wyvern share a mystical bond of sorts. If the Dragoon dies, the wyvern also dies.
TLDR: Dragoon can still have a wyvern without split stats. Wyvern is simply for vanity purposes.
I'd love some feedback from the community on this. I understand if many of you disagree, this is simply an opinion from one user. So don't take it to heart and keep it to a low flaming level please.
~Subfocus :cool:
Dragoon Suggestion
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01-09-2012, 09:52 AMP_SubfocusDragoon Suggestion
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01-09-2012, 10:10 AMRuri
If what your saying is give us a Wyvern but don't have it attack separately but have some of our abilities use it, then it might work.
Then again it would look lame having a Wyvern fly by you but not doing anything until you activate it. -
01-09-2012, 10:25 AMP_Subfocus
But it wouldn't be idle at all. Like I said, keep in mind that the Dragoon and wyvern are one and the same. If the Dragoon does a normal attack, the wyvern should assist. So every action the Dragoon does, the wyvern must also do something.
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01-09-2012, 10:36 AMDawiichan
Maybe they can have a skill named something like Wyvern Aid or something. A buff with a moderately long cd (5 minutes maybe) that has your pet assist you with the skill. Like Fire Breath might become a dual Fire Breath with the help of your wyvern or when you jump he can fly you up or push you down as you fall. Just a few ideas.
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01-09-2012, 11:25 AMP_SubfocusYes, but see the point is that the Dragoon which we're all familiar with always had a wyvern out. Which is why I suggest the idea of making the wyvern not a pet, but a part of the Dragoon class itself. Therefore, the Dragoon and wyvern stay inseparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawiichan
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01-09-2012, 12:22 PMDawiichanBut that's not making it a pet, that's making it more as an add-on. He can stay with you, but you can use a buff that makes it so that he can also be part of your skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
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01-09-2012, 12:40 PMP_SubfocusThe wyvern isn't a pet though, it's what makes a Dragoon a Dragoon. Like I said, don't think about the Dragoon and his wyvern as "Pet + Character" but rather think of the two of them as 1 character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawiichan
In fact, what you're suggesting is exactly what Yoshi-P was talking about. They'd have to balance out the stats because having a pet just makes you that much stronger. -
01-09-2012, 12:45 PMDawiichanI'd like you to explain to me how that sounds like Pet+Character at all... Am I missing something? Having a Wyvern following you and being able to enhance one of your skills as a buff makes him a pet? You could just as easily make a buff called something like "Dragoon's Spirit" do the same thing and it wouldn't be considered a pet...Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
Edit: At least in my perspective, what Yoshi-P was against was having a Wyvern fight with you like a beast master. I'm saying that you could create a buff for Dragoon that makes it so that your Wyvern assists you in your next skill. An example being something like instead of the Dragoon breathing fire, the Wyvern and the Dragoon both breath fire to create a stronger fire. After that the Wyvern just flies behind you until you use the buff again. -
01-09-2012, 12:49 PMP_SubfocusMaybe you're missing the point I'm trying to make? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawiichan
I'm simply pushing the fact that the wyvern must be involved in everything the Dragoon does. It can't simply assist on just some of the skills via a buff with a long cooldown. -
01-09-2012, 12:56 PMDawiichanAlright, I can see where you are going with that. Though I still have no idea why my idea was considering the wyvern as a pet...Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
Either way, yes I would have to agree that a wyvern being part of all your skills aesthetically is pretty cool, though if you look back at older FF games it's not exactly how that worked. Wyverns and Dragoons were close for sure, but in an offensive situation the wyvern isn't used 100% of the time, it was more like 20%. This is why I thought a buff enhancing your skills once instead of the wyvern being there in every skill was more correct. -
01-09-2012, 01:04 PMP_SubfocusSorry, I misunderstood your post. I see your point though. I prefer the wyvern to be out 24/7 however. That's where personal preference comes into play though ;]Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawiichan
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01-09-2012, 01:07 PMDawiichanI don't mind either way honestly, so both ways would be fun. I'm not playing Lancer until 2.0, so as long as it's well made by then. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
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01-09-2012, 01:32 PMP_Subfocus
Hopefully this idea somehow gets to Yoshi-P. I'd really love to hear his thoughts on this.
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01-10-2012, 01:52 AMKoga_Edge
Dragoons didn't have wyvern "pets" until 11(Most had no relation to wyverns at all, with the exception of the Highwind-Tycoon Family in 5, and Ricard in 2), and it took 11's team quite a while to balance it correctly! Remember when Call Wyvern was the 2 hour ability? and a beastmaster's jug pet could beat one?
Yea I love Dragoon, and the Wyvern added a nice story line to Dragoon AF, but what made a Dragoon a Dragoon was their combat style and armor. If the Dragoon in XIV is too obscure from their Lancer counterparts then maybe adding of the wyvern should be discussed.
Don't get me wrong I loved the Combination of Dragoon and Wyvern in XI, but at the same time I couldn't help but feel they only added it to make the class stand out from the other DD classes. -
01-10-2012, 03:31 AMP_SubfocusIt would be nice if we could take a poll on whether we want Dragoons to include wyverns or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koga_Edge
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01-12-2012, 12:52 AMZantetsukenThere are many, many players who are steadfastly against the Wyvern sidekick/pet/extension. The FFXI dragoon was a complete deviation from the FF tradition, it had horrible balance issues, and turned many people off from even trying the job (remember LOLDRG?).Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
I, and most other players want the DRG job to function like traditional FF dragoons, specifically Kain and Freya. The current style of TP and Combo mastery for LNC, combined with the Jump attacks in the DRG Job are the right direction.
A persistent Wyvern 'sidekick/pet/etc' for a DRG is a total non-starter for me no matter how it is implemented.
*disclaimer* In the 1.20 dats, there was introduced a model of what appears to be a large wyvern. The spoiled DRG weaponskill list includes an attack called "Wyvern Dive" which may involve the summoning of a Wyvern to make a fire attack. I would not be opposed to a Wyvern that appears as part of a 2-hour style TP move (and then leaves). -
01-12-2012, 12:57 AMsyntaxlies
with jobs being in the next patch id imagine SE already made up their mind which is weird cause i thought they wanted to do a poll on it. Maybe they just used the threads. That being said it is possible it has a pet already and we don't know it yet. However i doubt it since i think it would have been in the screen shot they showed of the jobs.
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01-12-2012, 12:59 AMSephrick
Dragoons kill dragons, not keep them as pets. XI was the only version of Dragoon that had a pet. Generally their iconic staple is the Jump ability.
I'd rather not have some creature tethered to me merely for aesthetics. -
01-12-2012, 07:00 AMP_SubfocusNo matter how it is implemented? Either you just don't like wyverns or you are a final fantasy puristQuote:
Originally Posted by Zantetsuken
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01-12-2012, 07:20 AMOnji_TThere were actually quite a few attempted polls on here not that long ago. I say attempts because the like button is a sad way to poll. People are on both sides of the fence about the issue. Personally I could live without any sort of complimentary flying rodent.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
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01-12-2012, 05:30 PMP_SubfocusI guess it's personal preference. Personally, I think small dragons look absolutely fantastic. Nothing like a flying rodent.. I believe you're stretching it a little too far with that one. But I guess they've already made up their mind, we'll just have to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onji_T
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01-13-2012, 01:40 AMZantetsukenPurist sounds about right.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Subfocus
Anyways there have been multiple polls on this and every time the majority has been overwhelmingly against the idea.
No need to beat a dead horse.