Has anyone figured out the rotation for the new HQ crafting/gatherer gear? Been struggling so far.
unbuffed, I'm at 457 cp, 1349 crafting and 1251 control. been struggling with cp. I'm kind of sick of wasting ingredients >_<
granted I'm close to penta melded, but NOT quite there.
New rotation?
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10-11-2017, 09:05 AMKyu-MomoNew rotation?
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10-11-2017, 09:25 AMKaurhzWaste more cunning materia rather than ingredients. I personally can't stress how important CP is right now. Aim for 472Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo
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10-11-2017, 09:30 AMKyu-Momo
Okay, 472 base? Thanks, it's good to have a number to work towards. I'll probably just make another set and re-penta meld it. Now that I doubled checked, I used Vs instead of VIs. derrrrp -_-
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10-11-2017, 12:15 PMSilverbane
Don't forget you can use potions as well as food to add CP.
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10-11-2017, 12:39 PMHanmerreborn
64 flawless synthesis. JFC.
Got lucky on a 60% chance for HQ chest. Basically makers with two pbp will get you within one or two CSIIIs, or a focused synthesis and CSII. -
10-11-2017, 01:01 PMKenji1134
I wonder if they realize that an 80% increase in both progress and quality requirements is invariably making a PbP augmented MaMa rotation the only viable option.
2 PbP's = 44.4% progress, and MaMa being difficulty/100*40*0.9 = another 36% progress, bringing the synth up to 80% completion for 20 durability and likely fully recovered CP... but frankly that is the only viable option. Say fully melded CS3 gives you 450 progress (likely less), that same 80% would require 12 CS3's, that is 120 durability and 84 CP, drastically less efficient than a 70 step PbP-MaMa opener.
But as I see it, that right there is the problem! You have one option which costs 20 dur and I want to say offhand some 60 CP, or another that costs 120 dur and 84 CP.
Another approach would be Name-Brand, which say 100% progress efficiency is 300 progress and the recipe is 6400 for ease of math.
Hit 1 = 900
Hit 2 = 816
Hit 3 = 739
Hit 4 = 670
And now either Name or SH falls off, so you get a total of ... 48.8% so about 50% progress for ~61 CP and 40 dur, with diminishing returns if you used Muscle Memory to start for instance.
So... yeah, without so much as looking at the massive quality requirements (some have suggested using Byregot's Miracle from specialist), there is only 1 good option for dealing with the sheer jump in difficulty of these new recipes.
So much for Anti-Homogenization. -
10-11-2017, 01:37 PMKyu-Momo
Sorry for the noob question, but what does MaMa rotation refer to? is that the flawless synth stuff from ironworks?
I still have no idea where to even start for these new items. wasted a ton of money on re-melding (pentamelding can die in a fire) and now my base cp is at 464 unbuffed.
for progress I've been relying on muscle memory, 2 pbp's and 2 rapid synth II's (which usually just fail anyway, because this game thinks 90%=60%) but when it does succeed, I can finish the item with a csII.
on to quality... I don't even... just. Yup. Kind of overwhelmed. I can barely get past 5% quality. How the heck do we get 28k quality without breaking the item... x_x
This has been super frustrating so far. -
10-11-2017, 01:50 PMHanmerrebornMakers Mark. And to get top quality you probably need almost all HQ mats going in until you're better geared. With HQ twinthread, Twinsilk, and true griffin leather, I started at about 5-6% and ended around 60 (though my rotation clearly needs work as I ended with about 25 durability remaining).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo
Start out with Makers Mark, Comfort Zone, steady hand I, piece by piece x2, then the really fun part!
FS = flawless synthesis
FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS FS (literally 60 times)
And if you're feeling really cheeky, you can tricks of the trade once or twice to be at full cp. -
10-11-2017, 02:17 PMKyu-Momo
Ohhh I see! Thanks for the answer, I appreciate it. Also... yikes.... hahahah
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10-11-2017, 03:47 PMKaurhzAlready tried looking at that, but really I wouldn't consider it as much of an option, at least with how large the progress and quality pools are. Mainly because looking at the entirety of the rotation your aim would be to build 11 IQ stacks as quick as possible so you can use Miracle asap, then move in and go for a Byregot's Brow after you've built up what you can. So if you fail the initial Patient Touch, or don't get a Precise by some miracle then you've pretty much crippled rotation, unless you do it on the fly so to speak. (edit) Saying that it seems most rotations I've seen or tried seem to follow the build 11 stacks immediately, as at the '12th' stack you get around 1300 quality per touch lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
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10-11-2017, 04:38 PMAlisiSo we use initial prep and go for 8 w/ reflect or should we use reflect to have those three stacks count immediately? Or not use them at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
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10-11-2017, 08:25 PMRyDarrick
I'm rly struggling right now so could someone help me out how my pentamelded gear should look like?
Same with rotation. English isnt my native language so all the shortcuts like MaMa etc are confusing me :( -
10-11-2017, 08:34 PMRyDarrick
I'm rly struggling right now so could someone help me out how my pentamelded gear should look like?
Same with rotation. English isnt my native language so all the shortcuts like MaMa etc are confusing me :( -
10-11-2017, 09:15 PMHanmerrebornDoubtful. The progress is so huge there's really no other option than makers to start, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
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10-11-2017, 09:18 PMKaurhzAim for 472CP base, capped, minimum stats on crafts and control are fine, so just meld according to that, which bearing in mind that speciality gives 20/20 boost, and if you plan on making the new stuff then just meld craftsmanship to minimum, CP to cap (472), and Control as high as you possibly can.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyDarrick
MaMa = Maker's Mark; MuMu = Muscle Memory; GS = Great Strides; Ing2 = Ingenuity II; BB = Byregot's Blessing.
For rotations, all I will be willing to say at this point is Heavensward rotations on steroids. -
10-11-2017, 10:01 PMAlisiYou're right. I'm getting the hang of it. I still can't get HQ if the majority of the items aren't HQ to being with, but I've made 4 pieces (and the subsequent fibers) HQ right now -- all with at least 89% chance for HQ (most with 100% -- this comes mostly down to RNG luck: procs, what failed, and if I was able to start the quality part with 70/70 Dura and all my CP.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanmerreborn
I do think I've figured this out on one issue: This is totally the developers answer to macros. I dub these The Macro Killer (because are you going to make a macro that has 65 FTs in it? and getting to 11 stacks isn't the end goal so much now. xD) This is like the crafting team read the 'WTF SE?! We're already at 2 star crafting and people made a macro that works most every time on the first day! This sucks!' -
10-11-2017, 11:01 PMRyDarrickThank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
My stats are 1327 craftmanship, 472 cp and 1221 control without food atm. For food I used Seafood Stew. Would this be enough to craft the new gear in hq?
Do you mean a specific heavensward rotation cause I have no idea what you mean. I never played heavensward, sry for the dumb question :)
Is there something I should know about specialist? I dont rly know how they work cause I never used them. -
10-11-2017, 11:56 PMRoth_Trailfinder
RyDarrick, look up something called Rath’s Rotation. That is what they are talking about using, though the current recipe has a whole lot more Flawless Synthesis in it than the original Rath’s Rotation did.
Basically, use it as a guideline, not a hard and fast recipe for success. -
10-12-2017, 12:26 AMDarknisAngel
Can anyone plz say me the craftingrota for it (^_^) ?
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10-12-2017, 02:41 AMOstwar
Done some quick calcs in Excel. If you start the rotation off with MaMa (Makers Mark) and go triple PBP (Piece by Piece) you should get a ton of left over FS's (Flawless Synthesis) to fish for red balls, run 3 CZ's (Comfort Zone) and have a M2 (Manipulation 2) in order to restore mostly all your CP, have 70 starting Durability and have all but a handful of progress already made. Sure it ain't fast but gives you a real fighting chance of HQ every time.
Now to optimize the quality stage.... -
10-12-2017, 05:25 AMKenji1134Yep, 3x PbP and then land 80% of your 90% success rate Flawless and you will be a hair from finishing, so 1 CS2 to finish the job, then focus on quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ostwar
For reference, on these synths where you have 64 MaMa stacks, you can spare 20% or just shy of 13 and be well within a CS2 finish. Of those 13, 1 for IQ, 1 for SH, 3 for PbP, 1 for Manip... baseline 6 MaMa's used, leaving you with 7 for ToT. (Honestly more like 10 since CS2 is worth several FS's). I am pretty sure the above costs 173 CP total, which means you need to hit 7 Goods to come out with full Dur and CP, on 7-10 extra MaMa's.
All in all, other than being stupidly long, this is super effective. -
10-12-2017, 05:34 AMMaitoAThat is pretty much what I have been doing, except I added in a whistle while you work. Lets you recover the CP faster and once you get some back can just use nymeia's to get the progress back up as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
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10-12-2017, 12:10 PMAlisiI can't help but feel like that was on purpose to stop macro's. Why else have it? I mean, seeing as it basically puts you within one CS2 away from finish, with full (or almost full) CP, and 70/70 (if you mend while wading through the 5k sea of FS.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
For those wanting a rotation, what I've been doing is: MM, CZ, SH1, PbP x 3, FS's to finish SH1, refresh CZ as needed, use TotT, use Master Mend 1, use spam FS for 5 hours (letting up for TotT and CZ refresh). This SHOULD take you within one CS2 away. Quality: SH2, prudent until SH2 falls off, Man 2, CZ, Ingen 2, SH2, prudent until around 140 or so CP (and hopefully 11.) Then I spot things, depending on how far the quality progress is and my CP. Ultimately, I like using the SH1, Ingen2, GS, Inno, BB, and finish with CS2 or 3 (I'll do three just in case if I have the CP. Why not, right?)
I know that leaves a lot to be desired but it's worked for me thus far. Greater crafting minds than I will make a tighter rotation. You really in Ingen 2 at the midpoint when building quality. That really, really helps.