RDM May Need Separate Gear Line from Other Casters - Spell Speed

I noticed a lot of the Omega gear for RDMs has spell speed, which happens because RDM is put in the same gear pool as other casters. The unique problem for RDM, however, is that it's the one caster class where spell speed is a dead stat.

This is because the Jolt/Verstone/Verfire cast time is already so low and otherwise RDMs will be using dual cast. Hence, spell speed has practically no marginal benefit. I heard that SE saw a similar issue with Ninjas and split them off from other melee DDs, maybe SE needs to do the same for RDM?

What are you talking about? Spell Speed is not a dead stat. It helps BLMs A LOT to speed up their slow spells. Besides that Spell Speed also adds to DoT dmg for Miasma, Bio 2, Shadow Flare, Thunder Spells etc so BLM and SMN benefit a lot.

You should really stop. I can't believe this is a thread

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

What are you talking about? Spell Speed is not a dead stat. It helps BLMs A LOT to speed up their slow spells. Besides that Spell Speed also adds to DoT dmg for Miasma, Bio 2, Shadow Flare, Thunder Spells etc so BLM and SMN benefit a lot.

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Please read. The OP is saying it's a dead stat for RDM. Nowhere did he talk about BLM and SMN.

Speed should still lower the GCD, no? Also Ninja was a result of poor planning and (speculation here) wanting to be able to have gear that does not look the same as bard. I'm willing to bet their thought process was:

Ninja comes from thief
Thieves should use dexterity instead of strength
We don't want ninjas to look like bard
Let's pollute the loot pool with another unique melee set

They should have just put DEX on all the monk stuff and made them share. That's actually what they did with pre-ninja gear, but I guess they though it'd be OP for monk to get some free parry (lol). Then they made DEX no longer give parry so now it does literally nothing for monk and there's no excuse, but we're already too far down the rabbit hole.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

What are you talking about? Spell Speed is not a dead stat. It helps BLMs A LOT to speed up their slow spells. Besides that Spell Speed also adds to DoT dmg for Miasma, Bio 2, Shadow Flare, Thunder Spells etc so BLM and SMN benefit a lot.

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RDM has no dots and also has a less than 2 sec cast time on jolt/verfire/verstone/scatter/impact/vercure, combined with innate swiftcast making spell speed not a major concern for RDM compared to BLM or SMN.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

What are you talking about? Spell Speed is not a dead stat. It helps BLMs A LOT to speed up their slow spells. Besides that Spell Speed also adds to DoT dmg for Miasma, Bio 2, Shadow Flare, Thunder Spells etc so BLM and SMN benefit a lot.

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Did...did you even read the thread?

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Originally Posted by Auteur

I noticed a lot of the Omega gear for RDMs has spell speed, which happens because RDM is put in the same gear pool as other casters. The unique problem for RDM, however, is that it's the one caster class where spell speed is a dead stat.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The unique problem for RDM, however, is that it's the one caster class where spell speed is a dead stat.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

it's the one caster class where spell speed is a dead stat.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The unique problem for RDM,

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You do realize that not every tier is designed to cater specifically to one job to every finite detail, right? Like how Scholars might get moody because the healer tier may not have crit chance or Monks complaining about Striking tier having too much skill speed? Just feel like that needs to be thrown out there.

No one job will ever have perfect stat optimization on a full raid set. It's almost like it's the devs way of telling us not to worry about ludicrously finite hardcore details and just enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

What are you talking about? Spell Speed is not a dead stat. It helps BLMs A LOT to speed up their slow spells. Besides that Spell Speed also adds to DoT dmg for Miasma, Bio 2, Shadow Flare, Thunder Spells etc so BLM and SMN benefit a lot.

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You didn't comprehend the OP. Spell Speed is the worst stat for RDM but great for SMN and BLM. They are suggesting adding separate gear for RDM so they get more of the right stats that benefit the most, like what they did for rog/nin.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

It's almost like it's the devs way of telling us not to worry about ludicrously finite hardcore details and just enjoy the game.

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Sadly, telling people who want to push to the max and get the most out of their min maxing theorycrafting hoeymaloeey to get those big waffle dps numbers never ends well. You may as well ask them not to breathe, asking those type of people to simply enjoy a game is of the highest blasphemy :P Even though as far as I've seen in the games history, min maxing to the max hasn't really seemed all that necessary unless you're aiming for world firsts or just want to see the biggest of numbers >.> <.< >.>

You can make this argument about every job and various stats OP since the beginning of 2.0. No. Nope. Deal with the bad stat roles like every other job does when the gear is bad for them.

I have bad Twitter skills apparently since confusion can be generated when I try 140 chars or less, I mean as some people pointed out spell speed is a dead stat for RDM only; not talking about other classes. Precedent has been set with SE's accommodation of Ninjas, perhaps the same can be done with RDM.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Sadly, telling people who want to push to the max and get the most out of their min maxing theorycrafting hoeymaloeey to get those big waffle dps numbers never ends well. You may as well ask them not to breathe, asking those type of people to simply enjoy a game is of the highest blasphemy :P

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Bruh

Minmaxing is how they enjoy this game lol

At the very least Grade VI materia can make up a *ton* of the slack for gear right now.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Bruh

Minmaxing is how they enjoy this game lol

At the very least Grade VI materia can make up a *ton* of the slack for gear right now.

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I know bruh, just poking teh funs :'P) x3

I don't really think it matters in the long run, we still have the capped tomestone incoming, as well as the Savage version of the gear. This gear does not live long enough to matter.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I know bruh, just poking teh funs :'P) x3

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I had a feeling x3 I realized after the fact bruh among my inner circle and bruh on the internet are two different bruhs

...bruh...

Anyway sorry if I came across as harsh ^u^

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I had a feeling x3 I realized after the fact bruh among my inner circle and bruh on the internet are two different bruhs

...bruh...

Anyway sorry if I came across as harsh ^u^

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No worries :D Such is the internet, unless you inject emoticons everywhere, you never know what my tone might be OwO :3

So I take it RDM will want Crit and Direct Hit then? Considering dropping BLM since mobility seems to be more valuable. BLM just isn't rewarding anymore.

Seeing threads like this makes you wonder if people actually understand stats and their jobs

Doesn't spell speed also marginally reduce the GCD

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This is because the Jolt/Verstone/Verfire cast time is already so low and otherwise RDMs will be using dual cast. Hence, spell speed has practically no marginal benefit.

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Stacking speed lowers your cast time and recast time. Unless you are burning through all of your MP, the marginal benefit is as much or more than other secondaries. 10% off your cast time means you can cast 11% more spells in the same amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

I have bad Twitter skills apparently since confusion can be generated when I try 140 chars or less, I mean as some people pointed out spell speed is a dead stat for RDM only; not talking about other classes. Precedent has been set with SE's accommodation of Ninjas, perhaps the same can be done with RDM.

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But even the gear for NIN and say DRG doesn't have the OPTIMAL stats all the time. lol Even if you got a specific RDM set, they'd probably still stick Spell speed on it.

As someone who has played SMN since 2.0, I don't have a lot of sympathy here. Spell speed does more for RDM now than it used to for SMN when we had full sets of the stuff.

What if, for RDM only, spell speed also increased magic attack power? Then there is no need to adjust gear.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

What if, for RDM only, spell speed also increased magic attack power? Then there is no need to adjust gear.

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I'd say that's unnecessary. As is having separate gear for the job entirely. Materia being meldable (and having such potent, easily accessible materia to boot) is the best defense we have against bad stats, as is gear variety (we usually have raid gear, tome gear, and LotA catchup gear) to choose BiS from.

I would think the best defense against bad stats is having no bad stats. Hence the petition to SE to fix the issue instead of having us band aid with materia.

Redmage still gets benefit from spellspeed. You have to hardcast to get dual cast procs, and that limits your resource generation. However, it doesn't directly benefit the TP skills, and may be less desirable than direct hit and crit due to this. Just like any other class, you will have to choose between I'll and stats if you want to min/max.

It's not a dead stat, it's just is lower than a lot of others. You could argue that it should also affect skill speed so it's benefits are similar to other casters though.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

I would think the best defense against bad stats is having no bad stats. Hence the petition to SE to fix the issue instead of having us band aid with materia.

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You're starting with the assumption that spell speed is a bad stat for RDM.

• Skill speed was bad for MNK because it burned out their TP
• Spell speed was bad for SMN because much of their damage was independent of the GCD (DoTs)

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Originally Posted by Auteur

Jolt/Verstone/Verfire cast time is already so low and otherwise RDMs will be using dual cast

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That's not an argument for spell speed being bad for RDM, it's misunderstanding math.

Question from the not having played RDM yet. Right now, IIRC, RDM is highest DPS caster.

So, if SS is the dominant stat on the shared gear, and SS is more beneficial BLM and SMN, would the said stat be a balancer between RDM, BLM and SMN?

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Question from the not having played RDM yet. Right now, IIRC, RDM is highest DPS caster.

So, if SS is the dominant stat on the shared gear, and SS is more beneficial BLM and SMN, would the said stat be a balancer between RDM, BLM and SMN?

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Or it means spell speed is more powerful for RDM, and that's why they are the top dps caster.

Read the description of spell speed on your character, it is not a useless stat, jut not #1 stat for Red Mage.
Issue being for those of us who do play blm and Red and must use the same gear... Blm Spell Speed is number one, Red Mage i would think it is 3rd stat or possibly second after Crit (though i think DH is better after Crit then SS)
There simply has just not been enough content and testing yet to warrant if one stat may not be all that useful.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Or it means spell speed is more powerful for RDM, and that's why they are the top dps caster.

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RDM is nowhere near top DPS caster.

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