It is so fun to play MCH now

Yes, no more Gun mage, but what makes the job fun is the heat mechanic. Since the job gets heated and more powerfull version of his weaponskills at 64 it is kinda fun to make rotations trying to keep your gauge between 50 and 95.

The new animations looks way better as well. Feels so good to hit that Direct Crit ammo heated Clean shot.

I miss the casting a bit, but the rest is great. Overall a big improvement!

Yea I definitely agree. I haven't leveled it to 64 yet, but just from playing with it in PvP, its so much fun.

What are people using now

Is it fun? I was reading the skills and tried to compare it to a bard. It seems Machinist has more damage output skills while bard seems to have more support skills, am I wrong? I really loved the overheating mechanic, it seems complex and fun. Gotta try it later when I finish leveling my healers

I'm about to hit lvl 60 as a bard and I was wondering how it would be to go to a MCH. Only reason I was hesitant was I didn't know how big the skill changes would be and how hard the rotation adjustment would be. When ppl talk about what job they wanna do or play or numbers in raids I just never hear about MCH or BRD... I've only been playing a bit over 4 months so I don't know much but I do know I don't wanna be bottom dps in anything I do or try to help with.

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Originally Posted by Recklessfun

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Saying you don't want to be bottom dps like this, would assume everyone is of equal skill at playing their job and therefore the jobs balance would be reflected thereafter, however this will likely not be the case and every job will most likely be viable for the content as was the case for HW. So I wouldn't worry too much about it, though I recall MCH being a bit behind in Gordias that was fixed rather quickly. Just play what you enjoy basically and if you perform well at it, even if your job might be 'underpowered' you will most likely perform better than mediocre people playing stronger jobs.

Well in playing a bard I don't really get the whole rotating songs thing yet since I haven't been playing long and with MCH I wouldn't have to worry about that. Not saying I wanna be lazy and not learn I just don't wanna be bad lol. I look up videos all the time trying to learn but I'm sure it's harder to do on ps4 then on PC where u can have everything out in front of u. IDK we will see like I said I'm not even 60 yet.

I was deadset on maining AST in this expansion...

but I can't stop shooting things, ridiculous DPS queues be damned.

In playing both (honestly pre-60), I find that I'm enjoying the MCH a bit more then the bard. I may become my go-to, just gotta level him up!

Currently doing MSQ in SB on my DRG. I enjoy it too though, so I may end up being stuck due to my alt-itis. we'll see which one shoots ahead xD.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I miss the casting a bit, but the rest is great. Overall a big improvement!

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Hit 66 tonight and I'd like to retract what I said. After 64 all sad feels of losing cast times are gone. I'd imagine it would be quite cumbersome after this milestone.

Disagree with thread title entirely. Admittedly I haven't gotten to the level cap and it might get better, but I just don't see it. Before SB, if I had buffs, I could get my Wildfire to around 13-14k. Buffed with Balance and piercing debuff I managed to max around 19,500. Today I tried and I couldn't break 7k with a Wildfire. My first one did less then 4k. With half of the ogcds gone the job is far less active. Refresh not being tied to the turret means there's no Hypercharging it to really help the healers out, potentially saving wipes.The job got dumbed down considerably, and is incredibly boring to play right now. I don't like the job at all anymore. If this is what we had to get if it meant getting away from gun mage, give me gun mage back. Being able to move and shoot isn't worth losing the fun the job had.

Get used to getting meh wildfires. Im at level 70 and wildfire is hitting for around the same damage as any other heated attack that crit, lol. I think they shifted the DPS away from wildfire and more into your heated attacks, and as usual, if fights where the boss does something that makes them invulnerable ( a good number of bosses this expansion at release) your rotation gets messy really quickly.

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Originally Posted by SaintK

if fights where the boss does something that makes them invulnerable ( a good number of bosses this expansion at release) your rotation gets messy really quickly.

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I'm not finding this to be true. All the fights are lining up for me perfectly, it just takes a little practice and understanding (For example: Knowing a dungeon will allow you to know when you can safely overload or blow up a turret). WF/RF/Reassemble are all 1 min recast, no way for them to get messy and Reload is 30 seconds so that shouldn't get messy. I'm pulling 11-12k WF's which are now more frequent and less stressful.

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Originally Posted by Spiriel_Basanda

Disagree with thread title entirely. Admittedly I haven't gotten to the level cap and it might get better, but I just don't see it. Before SB, if I had buffs, I could get my Wildfire to around 13-14k. Buffed with Balance and piercing debuff I managed to max around 19,500. Today I tried and I couldn't break 7k with a Wildfire. My first one did less then 4k. With half of the ogcds gone the job is far less active. Refresh not being tied to the turret means there's no Hypercharging it to really help the healers out, potentially saving wipes.The job got dumbed down considerably, and is incredibly boring to play right now. I don't like the job at all anymore. If this is what we had to get if it meant getting away from gun mage, give me gun mage back. Being able to move and shoot isn't worth losing the fun the job had.

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Reroled to BRD, MCH feels so dumb I can't even pay attention.

I am still at 60, thanks to the congestion

but it seem my dmg out put is lower than HW era

probably due to the change to wildfire, lose of all those pre SB cross-class

but it seem the change are to make us more sustainable DPS than the burst we use to be, I will see how it feel after reaching 70 unlocking all skills if I could even do any leveling dungeon

yet, I prefer the old MCN as 60 for now

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What's your opener/wildfire rotation? Not 70 yet but I am curious to know if overheating every 2 mins (to line up with overdrive and hypercharge, and barrel stabilizer) with wildfire is the thing to do like I think it will be.

If you do overheat, do you overheat before pressing wildfire or after? If after what do you use to open your overheat window? Do you open with an overheat wildfire or do you leave that for your second wildfire?

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What's your opener/wildfire rotation? Not 70 yet but I am curious to know if overheating every 2 mins (to line up with overdrive and hypercharge, and barrel stabilizer) with wildfire is the thing to do like I think it will be.

If you do overheat, do you overheat before pressing wildfire or after? If after what do you use to open your overheat window? Do you open with an overheat wildfire or do you leave that for your second wildfire?

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With 3 bullets and 0 heat

Hot shot (Quick reload/barrel stabilizer) Heated Spit shot (hypercharge) Heated slug shot (Wildfire/Reassemble) Heated Clean Shot (Reload/Rapid Fire) Heated Split Shot (Rook Overdrive) Heated slug shot (Ricochet) Heated Split Shot (Gauss Round).

That's my openner.

Still don't have a way to wildfire with overheat (on purpose) in my openner.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

With 3 bullets and 0 heat

Hot shot (Quick reload/barrel stabilizer) Heated Spit shot (hypercharge) Heated slug shot (Wildfire/Reassemble) Heated Clean Shot (Reload/Rapid Fire) Heated Split Shot (Rook Overdrive) Heated slug shot (Ricochet) Heated Split Shot (Gauss Round).

That's my openner.

Still don't have a way to wildfire with overheat (on purpose) in my openner.

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Similar to old opener then. I feel like there has to be an application for overheating consistently. Otherwise, why line up overdrive, barrel stabilizer, and hypercharge so nicely @.@

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If you do overheat, do you overheat before pressing wildfire or after? If after what do you use to open your overheat window? Do you open with an overheat wildfire or do you leave that for your second wildfire?

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At the moment I see overheat as a 'I know I can AOE spam here and have gauge back up by the time I need it' or 'Boss will jump, it will cool down by the time he's down'. I don't use it as part of my normal rotation and can't see it having a place. I think a lot of fights are going to be tailor made strats with MCH. Sometimes you will overheat, sometimes turret sac, sometimes sit on it.

For example: One of the new extreme dungeons bosses has a 35 second transition phase. So you can both turret sac and overheat with no problem as they will both be back up before he's down, where as another fight does not.

so, I was finding it pretty difficult to time Wildfire with Overheat, but then again I don't have all the big heat-raising skills so I kinda can't overheat at will yet.

overall are we basically using Wildfire on Cooldown now, without worrying about Overheat?

Flamethrower is the fastest way to overheat, but again, I dunno if worth it to wildfire for it. The downtime is a pretty rough punishment.

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

so, I was finding it pretty difficult to time Wildfire with Overheat, but then again I don't have all the big heat-raising skills so I kinda can't overheat at will yet.

overall are we basically using Wildfire on Cooldown now, without worrying about Overheat?

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We're spamming WF now. Even on trash. There's a lot of 2 mob fights where it's better to single target. You'll need to run a few time to learn where you can WF / Overheat without compromising our boss DPS.

Another note: Stack ON Drgs. Live on them. They have an annoying skill that gives you +5% DPS and them +10% DPS.

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Originally Posted by SaintK

Get used to getting meh wildfires. Im at level 70 and wildfire is hitting for around the same damage as any other heated attack that crit, lol. I think they shifted the DPS away from wildfire and more into your heated attacks, and as usual, if fights where the boss does something that makes them invulnerable ( a good number of bosses this expansion at release) your rotation gets messy really quickly.

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Seems to be that we are sacrificing a bit of that bit frantic 15-second burst spam, for a bit of more controllable, sustained dps.

takes some adjusting, but overall I think I can dig it.

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Originally Posted by Pence

At the moment I see overheat as a 'I know I can AOE spam here and have gauge back up by the time I need it' or 'Boss will jump, it will cool down by the time he's down'. I don't use it as part of my normal rotation and can't see it having a place. I think a lot of fights are going to be tailor made strats with MCH. Sometimes you will overheat, sometimes turret sac, sometimes sit on it.

For example: One of the new extreme dungeons bosses has a 35 second transition phase. So you can both turret sac and overheat with no problem as they will both be back up before he's down, where as another fight does not.

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Interesting, thanks for your input. So used to "do the thing when the thing is up and lined up with other things" that it seems counter intuitive to not try and use overheating and turret sac as much as possible.

Im too lazy to do the math but my wildfire isnt getting too much benefit from overheating at all, maybe as our gear scales into higher numbers it will be worth it. We have to get the maths on the entire rotation and see the difference to really know. For right now I dont even bother overheating unless its an AOE pull. Then you have that nasty 10+ second old MCH shot combo (ew) before you can put it back on with stab or flamethrower.

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With 3 bullets and 0 heat

Hot shot (Quick reload/barrel stabilizer) Heated Spit shot (hypercharge) Heated slug shot (Wildfire/Reassemble) Heated Clean Shot (Reload/Rapid Fire) Heated Split Shot (Rook Overdrive) Heated slug shot (Ricochet) Heated Split Shot (Gauss Round).

That's my openner.

Still don't have a way to wildfire with overheat (on purpose) in my openner.

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Thats a 3 ammo openener with reload off Cooldown. What do you use for regular dungeon bosses where you only have one reload? Im assuming the old one is still the best? hotshot(quick reload/hyperdrive)splitshot(wildfire/reload)slugshot(gauss round/reassemble)cleanshot(rapid fire/ricochet)splitshot(rookoverdrive)?

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Originally Posted by SaintK

Thats a 3 ammo openener with reload off Cooldown. What do you use for regular dungeon bosses where you only have one reload? Im assuming the old one is still the best? hotshot(quick reload/hyperdrive)splitshot(wildfire/reload)slugshot(gauss round/reassemble)cleanshot(rapid fire/ricochet)splitshot(rookoverdrive)?

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You should always have 3 ammo for WF as it's on a 30 second cooldown now, with WF being 60 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Pence

You should always have 3 ammo for WF as it's on a 30 second cooldown now, with WF being 60 seconds.

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He said with 3 ammo, and then he put reload into the rotation. His rotation uses the 3 ammo to proc the first rotation of the chain, so its a 3 ammo opener WITH reload off cooldown because reload is used in the rotation.

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He said with 3 ammo, and then he put reload into the rotation. His rotation uses the 3 ammo to proc the first rotation of the chain, so its a 3 ammo opener WITH reload off cooldown because reload is used in the rotation.

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The extra 3 doesn't change anything. It's still Split > Slug > Split > Clean. Adding the extra 3 only reverses the order and isn't necessary.

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Originally Posted by Pence

The extra 3 doesn't change anything. It's still Split > Slug > Split > Clean. Adding the extra 3 only reverses the order and isn't necessary.

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What? Of course it matters, the "extra 3" guarantees a proc of the next chain, its a ton of damage. The difference between getting the whole combo ammo'd up and the chance of not getting to clean shot again in time for wildfire is huge, not to mention ammo itself adds potency.

Cmon back on topic boys. How fun you find Machinist at lvl 70. Do you enjoy playing it for quests, fates, dungeons, etc? I decided to main machinist as I cant find myself in any other job. Heated version animations of attacks look a bit over the top but will see.

It is really fun indeed, I love the new animations, they look so overpowered.

Very much loving the heated animations. A lot like curving bullets from the movie Wanted. Makes spamming Split Shot a lot less painful compared to HW days because it sounds so much more powerful and is visually better to look at. Loving how often I can toss a Wildfire into every pull instead of waiting for so many CDs to come back up as to get that "perfect" Wildfire rotation. I can still get roughly 9-10k on average (at i309) just weaving it in alongside Rapid Fire whenever and as soon as they are both up. CDs of Gauss Round and Ricochet are short enough that they both or at least one will be up during the Wildfire burst. Still cant find an ideal situation for me to comfortably sacrafice a turret or purposefully overheat my GB outside of AoEing.

Side note: Took on SSSA12S earlier to see how fast I can down it at i309. Got it with 1:10 left on the clock no pots and food. Compared to 10 seconds left with an i270 in HW. I feel that is underwhelming parse wise.

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It is really fun indeed, I love the new animations, they look so overpowered.

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It looks overpowered, but its incredible weak. Fun? Not even close.

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It is really fun indeed, I love the new animations, they look so overpowered.

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Which one especially? Because yesterday I did PotD on lvl 60 and I couldn't find real animations.

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Which one especially? Because yesterday I did PotD on lvl 60 and I couldn't find real animations.

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At level 64, you get a trait that changes Split, Slug, and Clean to new, overheated abilities with new (and awesome) animations.

I absolutely hate MCH now, feel bored half the time running around spamming buttons waiting for the GCD to reset at times. I enjoyed having a class that had huge variations in player skill and you could tell when someone was really good at playing their class. I can understand wanting to level the playing field but doesn't mean i have to like it. I want my class back yoshi-pls

As a MCH main of 3.0 the whole expansion, 4.0 is wonderfully fun.