Puppetmaster Job for Final Fantasy XIV (2. Job for PUG)

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Puppetmaster

Pupp in FFXI was a melee damage character with hand2hand weapons just like Monk.
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I already asked for this long time ago here

And since it would be less afford in contrast to a complete new job because it would share the basic skills from PUG, just like SMN and SCH.

My Suggestion:
Pugilist class

1. Job: Monk (h2h damage dealer)
2. Job: Puppetmaster (h2h petclass)

PUPP could be the second job for the Pugilist class. Just like the ACN has two jobs (SMN & SCH).
He uses the same weapons just like monk.

- reduced damage by 40% in comparison to MNK and PUG
- customizable pet - the ,,automaton": equip your pet with different skills/attachements;
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some attachments examples of FFXI:
Turbo Charger II - A wind-based automaton attachment. Functionality: Decreases melee physical attack delay.
Vivi-Valve II - A light-based automaton attachment. Functionality: Increases "Cure" potency
- 4 different types of ,,automaton frames": BLM , WHM , PLD , RNG


Types of automaton frames / PUPP Skills / Concept idea:
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Lastly a video of PUPP automaton frames:
Chosing a PUPP Frame VIDEO


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PUPP Job Armor

Last but not least.. we already have "automatons" in this game:
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Farewell:
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They will never do 2 jobs from one class ever again.

Also no 2 jobs share the same skill set besides smn/sch or weapon (see previous statement).

So you want a class with double the amount of equipment needed, for player and pet alike?

No thanks, not after the mess they made with Arcanist

Nooo, if we ever get another pet class I'd hope for a monster tamer. One centered around you buffing and commanding your pet to deal the best damage instead of both dealing damage like the SMN. Also more diversity is pets if you can tame open world monsters (possibly even FATES bosses). First thing I'd do is tame a behemoth. lol

I loved Puppetmaster in FFXI and would love to see it make an appearance in FFXIV, though as a job completely separate from Monk and Puglist.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

They will never do 2 jobs from one class ever again.

Also no 2 jobs share the same skill set besides smn/sch or weapon (see previous statement).

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I think SE realizes the mistake , but there's nothing stopping SE from coming out with some kind of Puppeteer job. After all other MMORPG's came out with their own too.

The ideal thing however is something a "wildcard" job role. Remember gogo from FF6? Think Kirby from Nintendo.

EG, if the Puppet Master queues for a dungeon without a puppet summoned, they will be given whatever role is most needed, and only that puppet can be summoned. The puppet can mimic any player-class already in the party by default (eg Paladin, Warrior) suitable for that role, with skills narrowed down to "single target (role)" and "multitarget (role)" , the rest of the actions the Puppet master has are effectively buffs specific to each puppet role. The puppet master, by having that puppet out, the puppet has it's own HP, and is knocked out like a player, not unsummoned. The puppet master could then either repair it, or switch out another puppet of that role.

So someone entering a duty with a tank puppet, could do the tank role. A healer puppet could do the healer role, and a DPS puppet can do DPS. It's just simplified down, and the puppet is far more fragile unless it's wearing the appropriate puppet gear.

I've played something like this in another MMORPG, and the puppet is largely a DPS "weapon", but can be swapped out with other puppets that have different skills. In terms of play balance, it would really be terrible for someone to use the Puppet as a way to enter dungeons as a tank, and then choose to DPS instead because they don't know how to tank. So some level of "forced role" would have to be required by having the puppet out first to queue for a dungeon.

If you had say a WHM and a SCH puppet, having either one out puts you into the healer role, and you can switch between them, but not to DPS or tank. Unlike the actual classes, they are simplified down to "single target" and "multitarget" actions which the puppet will pick whichever action is most effective based on the target selected. The Puppet doesn't have points, it just has longer or shorter cooldowns based on the the buffs. eg "next action will crit", "next action will be instant", basically the RNG mechanic the role normally has is controlled by the player.

The puppets can only be summoned if you have them. They don't take inventory space (like a pet,) but you get a "puppet list" inventory and their levels.

DPS puppets can also be "DPS roulette" selected which will select any non-job puppet matching the dungeon level.

Getting into a more nitpicky area, how the player acquires these puppets could be a few ways:
- You get a level 50/60/70 job puppet by completing the storylines for those jobs, their default gear will reflect the ARR relic gear and race of the player when acquired. Different races/colors can be set.
- DPS puppets for trash and mid-boss monsters if significantly defeated with a puppet. All monsters are DPS Melee. Once knocked out they have to be repaired, can not summon broken puppets. Lower level puppets can be summoned at any time, but can not summon high level puppets into low-level/synced content.
- Tank puppets for final-boss monsters (no primals) if significantly defeated with a puppet. These are Tank puppets.
- Additional Healer puppets would have to be acquired through quests for NPC's

Since all the models already exist in the system in some shape, they can simply be scaled down and no new assets other than "string lines" need to be added to use them.


Largely I think the problem is play balance. A whole lot of exceptions have to be made to how things currently work just for pets/companions already, and healing other players pets thus far has been something of an awkward experience.

If SE wants to step up their AI game, we could have puppets/pets/companions/squadron members all party-members in all content. The reason we likely won't is that AI will either be too stupid or too good (see the AI fairy and AI companion chocobo) and hinder as much as help. So a puppet system that is all manual is more in the spirit of "puppet"'ing, but likely not a lot of fun if all they can do is a handful of actions while the puppet is out, and nothing if the puppet isn't out. But at the same time, if the puppet gives you a level 70 puppet of all player classes without that class being present, and access to all that classes skills, the puppet master does not actually know how to play that role if puppetmaster is the first thing they start as.

So as much as I like the idea, I think if we got a puppetmaster type of job in FFXIV, it would be very hamfisted and consist of nothing but "summon puppet I (DPS)" and "summon puppet II (Tank)" and everything else would be the same as summoner.

Personally I'd love to see them actually continue the idea of having multiple jobs branching from a base class; all they'd have to do to make it work is set it up so that your point allocations are tied to the job rather than the class - like how when you equip or remove your job stone, your hotbars and stats and stuff all change around. They could also remove the need to use an item to reallocate points, and just let you change on the fly as long as you're not actively in combat.

Though I'd rather see Dancer branching off Pugilist.

I would love to be a puppet master in ffxiv

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

So as much as I like the idea, I think if we got a puppetmaster type of job in FFXIV, it would be very hamfisted and consist of nothing but "summon puppet I (DPS)" and "summon puppet II (Tank)" and everything else would be the same as summoner.

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Thats just a question of how you would design the mechanics around the job itself. Every class/job in FFXIV is possible. Im not a game designer to think about how a PUPP would be a great new job class for the game. But I mean a Ninja could also be an other monk because he uses duel wield for damage.. but NIN has its own gameplay mechanics that make NIN a legit class ingame.

same for RDM instead of using just only BLM and WHM spells (like the RDM iN FF11) he has its own spells and gameplay mechanic in FFXIV (balancing black and white magic out in order to boost your melee attack etc.). They could even make the pets of PUPP completely different. Instead of having endless MP for the mage pupptets they could implement something "heat-o-metre" bar .

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So if you command your puppet to fullfill several powerfull skills like stoneskin or cure III it costs a higher amount of points that fill your puppet's bar and increase the chance of overheat. So if you use too many special abillities your automaton overheats and the puppet is stunned for a several amount of time. (overheat was also a thing for PUPP in FFXI) The bar could cool down overtime automatically. Making the skills of a puppet more powerful than the summoners pets spam basic attacks (and the possibillity to heal or buff), but also limiting their usage by a overheat bar.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

They will never do 2 jobs from one class ever again.

Also no 2 jobs share the same skill set besides smn/sch or weapon (see previous statement).

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Huh why not?

They said back then that they can imagine to implement a second job for an other class again.

So why they shouldnt? Whats wrong about SCH and SMN? And even if they share common skills they play completely different or would you deny that fact?
Thats an absolute non-argument for me.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Thats just a question of how you would design the mechanics around the job itself. Every class/job in FFXIV is possible. Im not a game designer to think about how a PUPP would be a great new job class for the game. But I mean a Ninja could also be an other monk because he uses duel wield for damage.. but NIN has its own gameplay mechanics that make NIN a legit class ingame.

same for RDM instead of using just only BLM and WHM spells (like the RDM iN FF11) he has its own spells and gameplay mechanic in FFXIV (balancing black and white magic out in order to boost your melee attack etc.). They could even make the pets of PUPP completely different. Instead of having endless MP for the mage pupptets they could implement something "heat-o-metre" bar .

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So if you command your puppet to fullfill several powerfull skills like stoneskin or cure III it costs a higher amount of points that fill your puppet's bar and increase the chance of overheat. So if you use too many special abillities your automaton overheats and the puppet is stunned for a several amount of time. (overheat was also a thing for PUPP in FFXI) The bar could cool down overtime automatically. Making the skills of a puppet more powerful than the summoners pets spam basic attacks (and the possibillity to heal or buff), but also limiting their usage by a overheat bar.

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My reference is how people are crying over changes to WHM and not trusting SE to actually know what they're doing :P Some changes feel hamfisted while others make sense.

Like, in other games that have some kind of puppeteer class, they generally are weapons themselves, not really anything more creative (they work like a summon in some games, while the player itself stands still and is vulnerable.) I like the idea of being able to "mimic" a class in the game (eg one you have, or ones someone else is playing) and simplifying the controls down so the player doesn't actually need to know the CD's and cast times of the puppets using those, but still provide some limitation to avoid spamming things endlessly without effort or effect.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Huh why not?

They said back then that they can imagine to implement a second job for an other class again.

So why they shouldnt? Whats wrong about SCH and SMN? And even if they share common skills they play completely different or would you deny that fact?
Thats an absolute non-argument for me.

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It goes back to V1.0 (there were several classes that were in the data files for V1.0 that never actually made it into the game, of which were alluded to in the storyline, hence you can search FFXIV's forums for "musketeer")

In a nutshell, FFXIV was supposed to have Wizardy's cross-class job system. Then Wizardy Online actually came out and did it correctly and painfully. Basically that was jettisoned and scaled back quite a bit. But they still wanted to put Summoner and Scholar into the game, so they needed to create a base class. Unfortunately that is a DPS base class, but Scholar is a healer class, thus the Scholar has no below-level 30 healing skills (other than Physick and Resurrection, which are required to be at that sub-30 level) and has mostly DoT type skills from the DPS stage of that class.

If they were to do it again, they would have to be strictly "samey" classes, like Archer and Musketeer (we got Machinist instead which is another "pet" type of DPS.) So the logical thing for a Puppeteer class/job would be to share a base class with Machinist, but none will ever exist. Any new job will likely start at level 30 to avoid the class system entirely.

they can't balance 1 class going into 2 jobs, no. Anyone that says "make lit like ACN how it turn into SMN and SCH" does not understand how much headache all the issues are with that. I want to see SMN and SCH split off from each other, that is how bad it is.

As for pup, not something I care for, if it makes a lot people happy sure I guess, not I really do not care for it.

They're are multiple things wrong with sch/smn. One being the fact that the attributes are not separated from each other so I have to keep switching between intelligence and mind to use them properly. Two as some one said anything below 30 and your running strictly off of arcanist a does job. And I'll stop at three with it would lvl based off the class not the job so if it was based off pug and u lvled monk you would end up lvling it at the same time. Now some people might see a problem with that others might.

The idea of a puppeteer class or even a beast tamer class does sound appealing but I don't know if that is something we will ever see. Maybe when we enter garlean territory it might be a job we get seeing as they are trying to make the jobs fit the premis of the expanson

I could totally dig a Puppet Master Class.

Good idea, except for the 2 jobs part.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I think SE realizes the mistake , but there's nothing stopping SE from coming out with some kind of Puppeteer job.

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You are missing the simple point of my post. It would have to be a Job not tied to a class and its own unique skillset. I am not discouraging PUP in XIV at all.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Huh why not?

They said back then that they can imagine to implement a second job for an other class again.

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Every job release post NIN has been class-less as classes are becoming more and more obsolete moving forward since ARR release. Why waste the Dev time for an archaic class system from 1.0. They are also looking at the possible complete class removal for 5.0. 4.0 has no new classes and the overhaul to the new Role Abilities removes all the additional class/cross-class actions required to jobs.

TLDR: They are clearly moving further and further away from the class system. Work your PUP ideas into the current formula SE is using.

Btw. here some ideas and scribbling and some ideas how a pupp's game mechanic or pet skills could look like:

My idea around the PUPP is based on the job in Final Fantasy XI Online.
For those who havent played FFXI some small videos here:
PUPPETMASTER Solo - Final Fantasy XI [Video]
PUPPETMASTER GROUP - Final Fantasy XI [Video]

I am a hybrid and pet loving class, what i miss about the recent Pet classes is that they are quiet WoW'ish inspired. You summon your pets, they auto attack and have endless MP/TP so that they spam their skills endlessly (kind of "summon and forget" pets with small additional dmg). With PUPP i want to have a job where you have deep direct control over your pet and where your pet makes a huge amount of your total damage - the master and the puppet being closely interrelated with each other. So that even the emotes of the puppetmaster are being imitated by the puppet. And maybe something that is combined with the Puppetmasters melee attacks.

This is just a concept idea from me personally and also relies slightly on the pupp in FFXI but made it more "FFXIV" alike, where the job has its own Interface and mechanic. The similarity which this concept shares is that if you spam your commands to your puppet in FFXI that the pet also fell into "stasis" (how i call it). While Stasis the pet was stunned/ or not able to use any abillity for a period of time.

MY CONCEPT - SOME IDEAS (all numbers and skills are fictional - just some ideas to come up with)
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#Vote Up if you would support PUPP to have also in FFXIV ;)

Thank you :)


Each abillity generates a special amount of heat when the automaton overheats it cant perform any actions for a period of time. (if you dont manage the heat correct)

Heatpoints decrease automatically over time slowly or via skills such as "cooling".


Anyways im quiet sure there is always a way to implement every job into FFXIV with a specific mechanic if the Game design team wants to.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Btw. here some ideas and scribbling and some ideas how a pupp's game mechanic or pet skills could look like:

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Heatpoints decrease automatically over time slowly or via skills such as "cooling".

Any thoughts?^^

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1 job= 1 role. THEY CANNOT BALANCE IT !! otherwise. The SMN and SCH failure shows this, the fact RDM cannot heal shows this. You can't just slap different roles and basically trying to steal other jobs and fit it into 1. This is why FFXI had trouble with it too, it would either be extremely gimp or extremely OP, there is no way they can properly balance something like that.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

1 job= 1 role. THEY CANNOT BALANCE IT !! otherwise. The SMN and SCH failure shows this, the fact RDM cannot heal shows this. You can't just slap different roles and basically trying to steal other jobs and fit it into 1. This is why FFXI had trouble with it too, it would either be extremely gimp or extremely OP, there is no way they can properly balance something like that.

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I dont see that. It is one role : damage dealer (Puppetmaster + Puppets (Auto attack damage/ skill damage) with some utillities (concerning which pet is out).


As i said i would design the puppet pets differently to other "regular" pets we have in FFXIV now (auto skill spam/endless MP).Therefore i would add that "heatometer". Every puppet skill creates more or less amount of heat and you command all skills manually. If you reach overheat your puppet isnt able to perform any actions for a huge period of time.

So that it is not possible for you to outheal a healer... moreover to assist if there is a tricky situation if you have a whm automaton out. (for example)

so that it prevents you to use CURE for example regularly and spammy like e.g. the fairy of the Scholar.
That these puppetskills are used as manual commands instead of the auto spam system (with endless MP) which we have with all pet in FFXIV as for now.

i would like to have MORE control and more significant damage for the pets instead of an auto spam system.

Now make the puppet masters main stat to be something else than the monks main stat. And at the same time, leave puppetmaster with some of the same damage abilities that monk has, except they scale off str and not the puppetmasters main stat, so you need some bandaid thrown ontop of it, something along the lines of cleric stance.

Do you see what a mess this would become?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I dont see that.

As i said i would design the puppet pets differently to other "regular" pets we have in FFXIV now. These you just take them out and they spam their standard skills automatically. Therefore i would add that "heatometer". Everypuppet skill creates more or less amount of heat. If you reach overheat your puppet isnt able to perform any actions for a huge period of time.

so that it prevents you to use CURE for example regularly and spammy like e.g. the fairy of the Scholar.
That these puppetskills are used as manual commands instead of the auto spam system (with endless MP) which we have with all pet in FFXIV as for now.

i would like to have MORE control and more significant damage for the pets instead of an auto spam system.

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You did not read what I said carefully. I said it would be extremely gimp or extremely op, there is no way to balance that to be a middle ground. Pup would either be over wanted, or not wanted at all (Given way we currently heal, that strongly suggests, in order to make it any kind of meaning of useful, you are running pup with 2 other DPS and tank, same with making it be tank mode, it would be 3 dps and a healer.) Look at the titan failure we have.. it can't take any hit while in low DFs you can make it tank, then again you can run 4 dps in low dfs so its whatever I suppose.

Again there is a reason RDM does not heal in this game and you think giving 2 different healing pets would bring balance? I would just advice focusing on one role, if you want your suggestions be taken more seriously by the dev team. (I would suggest making it DPS only)

You do not need to "spam" heals in this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...youtu.be&t=562

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Originally Posted by Hamada

2 different healing pets would bring balance?

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And i think you dont get me. What im not asking for is an other elios fairy scholar pet that spams a heal endlessly because the pet has no MP bar.


Moreover that you limit the frequency of your puppet skills in this example by a "heatometer" - more or less a reversed MP bar:
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The numbers etc. are just examples... in this example CURE I would generate 25 heat (points). The heat bar goes from 0 to 100 points. If you reach 100 points your automaton overheats and cant perform skills. so that when you spam 4 CURE spells in a row that you would end up with your pet in "overheat" mode where it cant perform any actions furthermore. (if you spam your puppet's skills and dont manage the heat right). Thats even how it worked in FFXI, when you spamed your commands to your Puppet it ended up being overheated so that it couldnt perform any actions furthermore.

So a WHM PUPP wouldnt replace a SCH fairy at all.. the WHM Puppet adds up damage to the puppetmaster itself through Auto-Melee-Attacks and in between of those it is able to perform spells from time to time (NOT CONSTANTLY) (Aoero for low damage) or heal in tricky situations (CURE I). but in contrast to other pets like "Garuda egi" "Elios fairy" it wouldnt be able to spam these.

Having a pet class where the pets spells / weapon skills do actually matter concerning their power, a pet class in which you command your pet directly.
i myself love petclasses and Summoner is a REAL disappointment to me because the pets are real trash. you summon them and all they do is spam automatically.

do you get what i want?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

You did not read what I said carefully. I said it would be extremely gimp or extremely op, there is no way to balance that to be a middle ground.
Again there is a reason RDM does not heal in this game

if you want your suggestions be taken more seriously by the dev team. (I would suggest making it DPS only)

You do not need to "spam" heals in this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...youtu.be&t=562

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Shorted my post, I already had a reply to that.

What you want=/= what the devs can do. THEY CAN'T BALANCE MULTI-ROLE JOBS! SMN and SCH is proof of this, RDM not having heals is proof to this! The game play of FFXIV =/= FFXI. They eve took away healer LB from BRD, should be another clue with that. You can't just throw in a half bake ideas of "limiters' and hope it works. Hell they had to completely remove PvE abilities in PvP because they can't balance them in PvP.

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Shorted my post, I already had a reply to that.

What you want=/= what the devs can do. THEY CAN'T BALANCE MULTI-ROLE JOBS! SMN and SCH is proof of this, RDM not having heals is proof to this! The game play of FFXIV =/= FFXI. They eve took away healer LB from BRD, should be another clue with that. You can't just throw in a half bake ideas of "limiters' and hope it works.

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The role of PUPP in FFXI is clearly a damage role... the PUPP performs H2H damage which adds up with the damage of the pets...

or is PLD a healer because he has the abillity to heal? nor does it make a PUPP a healer when he uses a WHM puppet that casts a cure every 10-30 seconds... in the end of a day its a damage dealer. And SMN and SCH are a proof of what?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

They eve took away healer LB from BRD

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Of course because he isnt a healer maybe? In the end of the day he is a dd with group buffs.

Fancy, but there are three major flaws.

The biggest one is that according to Yoshi, base classes are being removed by 5.0, meaning that the PUG approach kinda goes out the window. Sure, there could be some possible lore connection between it and monk, but the branch job concept not only won't happen again, but will eventually be guaranteed not to work again.

The second flaw is that in order to create another pet job, the current pet control system must be fixed. MCH gave an answer of the totem-style "set it and forget it" system, but this probably won't cut it for a job like Puppetmaster.

Lastly, as proven multiple times now, just because something was one way in FFXI doesn't mean it has to be the same way in FFXI. In fact, that's usually a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

Fancy, but there are three major flaws.

The biggest one is that according to Yoshi, base classes are being removed by 5.0, ...

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

You are missing the simple point of my post. It would have to be a Job not tied to a class and its own unique skillset. I am not discouraging PUP in XIV at all.

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Hey everyone who isn't reading the thread... we've moved past this shared class idea on page 2, keep up. If the OP wants to edit the title of the thread that would be helpful.

Throw that class system away, it's dead, buried.

The way I see a Puppeteer/Puppetmaster system working is either in:
a) They can summon ONE puppet of any class they already have at level 30+ or is in the party and do "mimic", hence access to the main DPS and Utility skill of those, but don't use MP or TP, just have a meter for how fast they cast before overheating and a different puppet needs to be switched in.

b) They can summon a group of puppets of any class set, each additional puppet cuts the "Control" (heatometer) meter by the additional puppet. So if you bring in 3 Tanks and 2 DPS puppets, each puppet will have 1/5th the control bar. Once a puppet is destroyed it can't be resummoned until a CD ends. Or a puppet can be dismissed before it's destroyed and have a shorter CD. Each puppet has a minimum of one skill. Level 30 will have only I, Level 50 will have II, Level 60 will have III and Level 70 will have IV versions of the skills.

In either case, play balance is an issue, since in A it acts as a kind of wildcard, where as in B it's more like the "Lord of Verminion" game. If you are forced to only use DPS puppets, the other puppets will never be used except in solo play, thus having the same "not using all the tools in the toolbox" argument.

If no puppets are summoned, the player defaults to PUG-style animations with "unaspected kick/punch", and "repair puppet" actions. Essentially the same as not using skills on any other role.



At any rate, another solution entirely is to just have more variety of puppets and pick jobs that was in FFV or FFX-2's dressphere's at pseudo-random (eg summon a DPS puppet at random from a pre-selected list) and all the puppets are unlocked through the job storyline. Like instead of "summon a puppet" it's "change puppet's costume"

From FFX-2:
Gunner
Thief
Warrior
Songstress
Black Mage
White Mage
Gun Mage
Alchemist
Dark Knight
Samurai
Lady Luck (Gambler)
Berserker
Trainer (Beastmaster)
Mascot (in FFX-2 this was Moogle, Cactaur and Cait Sith)
Festivalist
Psychic
Freelancer (default)

Freelancer is the "no skills, just punch and kick"

From FFV:

(DPS Melee)
Knight
Dragoon
Samurai
Mystic Knight
Berserker
Monk

(DPS Caster)
White Mage
Black Mage
Time Mage
Summoner
Blue Mage
Red Mage

(Utility)
Thief
Ninja
Ranger
Beastmaster
Chemist
Geomancer
Bard
Dancer

(Special)
Gladiator
Oracle
Cannoneer
Necromancer

Freelancer
Mime


Hence if you pick a "DPS clothes" for the puppet's clothes, it will switch to one these which have their own skills. Probably too much work for developers but hey, they put all that effort into the minion system, it seems like all that logic is already in the game and just looking for a way to use it in the dungeon without forcing players to hunt for minions.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Hey everyone who isn't reading the thread... we've moved past this shared class idea on page 2, keep up.

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The 2nd post of the thread killed off the shared class idea, keep up.