Tank Role actions

10 abilities.

Rampart
Provoke
Low Blow - Stun target // 5s duration // 25s cooldown
Convalescence - Increased healing received by 20% // 20s duration // 120s cooldown
Awareness
Reprisal - Reduce target’s outgoing damage by 10% // 5s duration // 60s cooldown

New abilities
Ultimatum - AoE provoke in 5y radius around self // 90s cooldown
Anticipation
Interject - Silence target for 1s // 30s cooldown
Shirk

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

10 abilities.

Rampart
Provoke
Low Blow
Convalescence
Awareness
Reprisal

New abilities
Ultimatum (AoE Provoke)
Anticipation
Interject
Shirk

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so we only have five of these to pick why tho

tsh...as predicted, war lose nothing

Did they actually say you only get to pick 5 of those 10, or are those 10 ones that all tank jobs are guaranteed to have?

I'm hoping role skills is going to be unlimited, otherwise this is a kick in the teeth to PLD and DRK, taking our native actions and making us put them in the limited cross class pool.

Where is this information posted?

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

tsh...as predicted, war lose nothing

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they lose wrath , and sense bloodbath is melee Im wondering if they lose bloodbath that would be super messed up if they did

i guess now mt and

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

tsh...as predicted, war lose nothing

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Losing Foresight (replaced by Rampart), Brutal Swing (replaced by Low Blow)

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Where is this information posted?

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Live Letter XXXVI going on right now.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I'm hoping role skills is going to be unlimited, otherwise this is a kick in the teeth to PLD and DRK, taking our native actions and making us put them in the limited cross class pool.

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Paladin and Dark Knight are getting reworked as well. They are getting some new actions to replace some of the lost abilities.

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

tsh...as predicted, war lose nothing

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i dont see inner beast, looks like they loose it in order to get rampath

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I'm hoping role skills is going to be unlimited, otherwise this is a kick in the teeth to PLD and DRK, taking our native actions and making us put them in the limited cross class pool.

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Think it was said, and it definitely appeared to be the case in the vid thus far, that one can only pick up to 5 out of the 10 actions.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

they lose wrath , and sense bloodbath is melee Im wondering if they lose bloodbath that would be super messed up if they did

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They didn't lose wrath. They reworked it, renamed it, and made it better and showed that it's even better for burst damage which is a direct upgrade.

Seems like PLD is getting a AoE with their sword, can block magical damage with it's shield (a expansion late), and it's "wings" ability lowers down damage by 15% for those that stand behind them in a cone. I'm hoping we'll get better things, if not I don't think much will really change in tank hierarchy in raids. But at least PLD will be a bit more viable in Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Seku

and it's "wings" ability lowers down damage by 15% for those that stand behind them in a cone.

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Also gives the Paladin a 100% Block Rate.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Also gives the Paladin a 100% Block Rate.

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I better rummage around for the highest block strength shield I can find...

I just saw the drg do low blow in the skills showcase video tho

Was not expecting them to take reprisal from dark Knight. And low blow. Are they still going to have the chance to proc low blow off of CD when they Parry? Will all tanks be able to do that? Or is that trait going away for good? Not sure how I feel about that :(

The new Low Blow cross-class replaces both Brutal Swing for WAR and the ability with the same name for DRK. PLD looks like they retain Shield Bash for the same TP cost, presumably on GCD.

Reprisal is now cross-class, but note that WAR has lost the debuff effect from Storm's Path. As an aside, it's worth also worth noting that the Maim and Storm's Eye effects are now switched. PLD seems to have lost Shield Swipe.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

PLD seems to have lost Shield Swipe.

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I lost count of how many times they adjusted that skill.

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

Was not expecting them to take reprisal from dark Knight. And low blow. Are they still going to have the chance to proc low blow off of CD when they Parry? Will all tanks be able to do that? Or is that trait going away for good? Not sure how I feel about that :(

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yeah, i was hoping they will further increase the whole parry, then counter attack thing for DRK, not taking it away >.>

seems like they removed the counter-tank style from DRK and buffed PLDs magic tanking capabilities. i guess they also buffed his damage with these fancy attacks? WAR will likeley stay the go to off-tank, how many fell cleaves were that? xD so where stays DRK now?

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Originally Posted by Seku

Seems like PLD is getting a AoE with their sword, can block magical damage with it's shield (a expansion late), and it's "wings" ability lowers down damage by 15% for those that stand behind them in a cone. I'm hoping we'll get better things, if not I don't think much will really change in tank hierarchy in raids. But at least PLD will be a bit more viable in Dungeons.

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They already are. People really exaggerate how bad the "weak" classes are. Every job can do every piece of content.

People caught and translated some of the tank role skills

Rampart

>> Low Blow - Stun target // 5s duration // 25s cooldown

Provoke

>> Convalescence - Increased healing received by 20% // 20s duration // 120s cooldown

>> Anticipation

>> Reprisal - Reduce target’s outgoing damage by 10% // 5s duration // 60s cooldown

Awareness

>> Interject - Silence target for 1s // 30s cooldown

>> Ultimatum - AoE provoke in 5y radius around self // 90s cooldown

>> Shirk

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

They already are. People really exaggerate how bad the "weak" classes are. Every job can do every piece of content.

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No one said they weren't viable. No, lacking area damage that literately every other job in the game has had for the last four years is not a exaggeration, this made PLD horrible for Dungeons. Hopefully the rest of the new abilities will add something to the kit for actual raid utility other than over kill party mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Also gives the Paladin a 100% Block Rate.

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Good catch.

Seems like low blow and reprisal cd reset proc by parry were removed? Did anyone notice anything about the slashing debuff? It seemed like maim gave slashing debuff. I wonder if the other two tanks will have slashing debuff as well.

Seems like a huge gain to Paladins, but a serious problem for Warriors considering what they lost out on. Having access to Reprisal and Low Blow (even if it doesn't reset) is huge for solidifying them for a MT position now, but I also feel like some of these skills were a bad choice. Similar to healer, it feels like 3-4 skills are outright mandatory for the role and leaves little room for actually choosing the new skills they took the time to make.

I made my own thread but nobody is really sayin does warrior lose blood bath and inner beast if so warriors can never do any solo content again this really makes me angry if they takin this away.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. As a WAR main, it looks like we're changing to a mechanic where we gain stacks and use stacks. Inner Beast has moved from a skill to a stacking ability. We do lose Blood for Blood, so the AOE spam heals with Vengeance days are over. We'll still keep our self heal mechanics, after all, that's what we do. We have lots of HP, we're squishy, but we hit hard and we heal well. I doubt that's going to change too much. Just the Wrath/Abandon->5 stacks->Inner Beast/Fell Cleave, days are gone. We'll still be kicking arse and looking as firey as Bahamut. Don't worry!

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Originally Posted by Drudwyn

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. As a WAR main, it looks like we're changing to a mechanic where we gain stacks and use stacks. Inner Beast has moved from a skill to a stacking ability. We do lose Blood for Blood, so the AOE spam heals with Vengeance days are over. We'll still keep our self heal mechanics, after all, that's what we do. We have !

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They are losing a ton of self healing with no blood bath , essentially all they have now is thrill of battle and equilibrium , and storms path that is if it still heals after the redesign. Like gettin rampart instead of bloodbath and innerbeast is just horrible so they essentially nerfed warriors self healing. And now they will need the healers more than ever this just really sucks for warriors in my opinion, if they where gona do this they might as well just give defiance 20 percent extra defense like the other two tanks they destroyed their niche

As the stack system is called Inner Beast, and we're not sure what that stack does, I wouldn't say we're losing old Inner Beast with its self heal, damaging hit, and damage mitigation. We've not seen what the Defiance version of Fell Cleave is yet! Losing Blood for Blood is a bugger, I admit that, berserk/B4B was a tasty as hell combo. But... let's wait and see.

We still have the actual move IB. If you re-watch the broadcast bit where they show off WAR, you'll notice that when he switches from Defiance to Deliverance, IB and Steel Cyclone get replaced with FC and Decimate. Which is a great change and should've always been the way it worked (though the macro was a decent enough workaround).

We did, however, lose Bloodbath which means our self healing took a big hit especially in trash pulls in dungeons. There's still some stuff we don't know yet, though, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

e: Also Unchained turns into the new buff thing that makes all your energy-related stuff cost half.

Rampart >>> if it works like it does now, it's a must have

Low Blow >>> if it doesn't do dmg anymore (and losing the drk trait) it's not useful for most raid fights

Provoke >>> must have for tank swaps

Convalescence >>> still a must have

Anticipation >>> no clue what it is, maybe a forced parry or evade

Reprisal >>> no more parry req. just an ocd makes it must have for raids

Awareness >>> depends mostly on the fight if it works like it does atm

Interject >>> we will probably see more stuff that needs to be silenced, so a good one

Ultimatum >>> I don't really see the point in this one

Shirk >>> no clue what it does

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

Rampart >>> if it works like it does now, it's a must have

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Not necessarily. Will be a good baseline selection, but if 5 others would be better for a fight then it might get dropped.

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Low Blow >>> if it doesn't do dmg anymore (and losing the drk trait) it's not useful for most raid fights

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It will be useful when the tank wants to interrupt a target oGCD with a stun. DpS are also having their stuns go to the role list.

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Provoke >>> must have for tank swaps

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True, and selection will be based on whether or not a fight requires a single target tank swap.

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Convalescence >>> still a must have

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Same situation as Rampart. Good baseline but fights might make other options better.

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Anticipation >>> no clue what it is, maybe a forced parry or evade

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Various possibilities.

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Reprisal >>> no more parry req. just an ocd makes it must have for raids

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Only if there is a Partybuster/tankbuster on a 60s timer (30s if both tanks need it) and also depends on what the other roles bring also.

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Awareness >>> depends mostly on the fight if it works like it does atm

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Possibly more fights with Auto-crit phases like Diablos Hollow.

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Interject >>> we will probably see more stuff that needs to be silenced, so a good one

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True. SE limited silencing due to inability to guarantee comps would have a Silence.

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Ultimatum >>> I don't really see the point in this one

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Multiple possible uses I can see. Group of adds spawn with a preset amount of enmity greater than what flash/overpower/unleash can generate not targeting a tank. Tanks need to tank swap between a single target and a multiple target group.

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Shirk >>> no clue what it does

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Theory is that it is an enmity dump. Might be key together with Ultimatium for group swaps.

I really feel like warrior is losing a lot of what attracted me to it in the first place. I love how warrior feels to play right now...it's smooth, it's cohesive, and it's effective. Stance dancing is effortless, and rewards knowledge of the fight. Now that we're losing IB when we stance dance, I feel like that's a deterrent to doing it too often. Plus no more blood bath? Second wind? Can't infuriate outside combat? Overall tank damage nerfs? Not like this.

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I really feel like warrior is losing a lot of what attracted me to it in the first place. I love how warrior feels to play right now...it's smooth, it's cohesive, and it's effective. Stance dancing is effortless, and rewards knowledge of the fight. Now that we're losing IB when we stance dance, I feel like that's a deterrent to doing it too often. Plus no more blood bath? Second wind? Can't infuriate outside combat? Overall tank damage nerfs? Not like this.

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I totally agree im very upset with this cross role system I like every other change but this crap and basicly pali has to get every move they already had back

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

tsh...as predicted, war lose nothing

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Bloodbath would like to have a word with you.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

Bloodbath would like to have a word with you.

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and IR, and second wind, and flash, I personally prefered flash over the cone over power so this kinda pisses me off , now warrior just has thril and equilibrium for self heals , they also lose brutal swing as well, also lose effect from storms path to

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

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Except I thought the whole idea of this 'cross-role' system was to make sure everybody always had the tools they needed to play their role (i.e. no having to level PLD to get Provoke)... however, by putting so many basic skills in there (and limiting it to 5/10 at a time) it pretty much ensures that no-body will ever have all the tools they will situationally need... and I'm not sure about you, but I am no fan of having to swap out skills based on content, which means they’ve either made everything less than savage raids very boring mechanic wise, or there are going to be a lot of 'you need to swap in X skill for this fight' conversations (wasn't the skill barrier supposed to be getting lowered? and now they want casuals to know what skill they need to have equiped for X boss?), and in my book neither is a particularly good outcome.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

and IR, and second wind, and flash, I personally prefered flash over the cone over power so this kinda pisses me off , now warrior just has thril and equilibrium for self heals , they also lose brutal swing as well, also lose effect from storms path to

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I can understand that you're upset over losing bloodbath, internal release and second wind, but flash? Paladins have been begging for an aoe skill with damage for years and you're telling me you prefer flash over overpower? XD

(I can see new warriors taking flash before they get used to the tp management at lower level though)

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

I can understand that you're upset over losing bloodbath, internal release and second wind, but flash? Paladins have been begging for an aoe skill with damage for years and you're telling me you prefer flash over overpower? XD

(I can see new warriors taking flash before they get used to the tp management at lower level though)

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Actually, I just realized that. And Flash is actually the thing I'm most upset about.

First, it's an omni-directional AoE. For any dungeon where extra adds spawn after I'm already tanking trash, Flash is super useful for getting initial aggro. Of course I spam Overpower after that.

Two, it helps if you get low on TP. ARF is a dungeon that comes to mind where I can easily burn my TP, depending on DPS.

Three, it works during Pacification. But a moot point with changes to Berserk.