Stormblood Site Updated

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/stormblood/

Loads of new lore entries, really interesting.

Doma ruled by female viceroy.

I like the shiny buttons... :3

*mouses over someting and it highlights.. oooooooh, shiny!* lol

Also just for people who don't want to copy paste the link cause that's too much! Here is the link in active form:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/stormblood/story/

Look for the green updated text, after scrolling down a little :)

swamps, yay
full with frogs and morbols, I guess

The lore for Samurai and Red Mage especially are so interesting. I'm hyped.

Looks to be more of the same with regards to housing, just with a different lick of paint. Thus the problem carries on for those wanting housing.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Doma ruled by female viceroy.

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Aaannd the theory of Lyse's sister, Yda being the viceroy intensifies XD

It's beautiful. Everything is so beautiful

Ugh, how is Red Mage linked to Ala Mhigo? Everything about that class screams, 'Sharlayan.' Oh well. It would've been weird if both of the new classes weren't linked to the new areas. Just, very disappointed in SE with this.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Ugh, how is Red Mage linked to Ala Mhigo?

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I think this post explains it fairly well.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

We have some new lore, from the updated Stormblood page!

On the eastern edge of Abalathia's Spine lies the mountainous region of Gyr Abania.

It is in these elevated lands that people took shelter, when a burning star guided them away from the Sixth Umbral Calamity's treacherous floodwaters. The survivors gathered from near and far, and amongst them were refugees of the sorcerous cities of Mhach and Amdapor.

These sworn enemies buried their history for the sake of the future, and cast aside their vestments of black and white. Upon the remnants of their arts a new discipline was built, and the first red mages stepped forward with rapiers in hand to fight back against the rising tides of destruction.



So, it seems that RDM are not Sharlayan in origin, but from an alliance of Mhachi and Amdapoori refugees. Its origins lie with White and Black magic.

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I think this post explains it fairly well.

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Just my personal distaste at this point. You'd think the major magical nation of the modern era would be the one to have the last of the three primary Final Fantasy spellcasters. It'd make a lot of sense for why we haven't seen Red Mages before (Sharlayan doesn't like to share), explains how Red Mages even came about (the lore makes it seem like there were active witch-hunts after the flood so its hard to image Red Mages starting out on Eorzea where they'd get lynched), and matches up well with the Sharlayan aesthetic (nothing we've seen from Ala Mhigo/Gyr Abania remotely looks like that AF set in terms of aesthetic).

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Originally Posted by DreamAngel-Ren

Aaannd the theory of Lyse's sister, Yda being the viceroy intensifies XD

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Then take a good look at the Stormblood poster

Second row from top, right side. That just screams "villain" to me.

And the girl above her next to Lyse ? I think that's the real Yda.

The Red Mages seem only Sharlayan in their similar style of dress; the lore differentiates them from Sharlayans pretty well, and I'm happy for that. The Sharlayans - at least outside of Astromancy - don't seem like a particularly magic-focused culture, but a learning/scholarly one (not to be confused with all things Scholar-related). If you look at the Scions, all of them practice different disciplines, but ally under the shared goal of both protecting and deepening their understanding of Eorzea and Hydaelyn as a whole.

Red Magic was an art form born of necessity during an Umbral calamity. That in itself makes it pretty interesting (as a direct link to the War of the Magi), and I do hope they at least touch upon that.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

Second row from top, right side. That just screams "villain" to me.

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That's just Gentiana. She got lost.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

The Sharlayans - at least outside of Astromancy - don't seem like a particularly magic-focused culture, but a learning/scholarly one (not to be confused with all things Scholar-related).

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Don't seem like a particularly magic focused culture? Have you -been- inside the Great Gubal Library? Or the Anti-Tower? Minfilia herself stated that the only reason the Garleans never invaded Old Sharlayan is because they fear the Sharlayan's magical might. In the Warring Triad series, Urianger sets up a barrier that would take any mage over 20 hours to unmake, with its only weakness being those with the Echo.

Sharlayan likely could've existed alongside the likes of Amdapor and Mhach and held its own. Its -the- magical nation of the modern age (as far as we're aware).

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Ugh, how is Red Mage linked to Ala Mhigo? Everything about that class screams, 'Sharlayan.' Oh well. It would've been weird if both of the new classes weren't linked to the new areas. Just, very disappointed in SE with this.

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I always thought Red Mage screamed "Created by Survivors of Mhach and Amdapor!" considering Red Magic is created by using both Black and White Magic which are limited to a select few people in the world who can find and obtain a White Mage Soulstone and a Black Mage Soulstone. if Sharlayan had a lore being that they are created by survivors of Mhach and Amdapor it would be more logical that they created it but so far no lore points to that.

Now it is confirmed that the Red Mage originates from Survivors of Mhach and Amdapor due to a few managing to avoid the Sixth Umbral Calamity that destroyed their civilization. I am curious how much reference will the Red Mage Job Storyline have to the events of Amdapor and Mhach now that we know there are survivors of Mhach and Amdapor. Not to mention possible few small dialogue adjustments for players who completed the Mhach Raid storyline, Amdapor Dungeon, Black Mage 3.0 storyline, and White Mage 3.0 Storyline.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Just my personal distaste at this point. You'd think the major magical nation of the modern era would be the one to have the last of the three primary Final Fantasy spellcasters. It'd make a lot of sense for why we haven't seen Red Mages before (Sharlayan doesn't like to share), explains how Red Mages even came about (the lore makes it seem like there were active witch-hunts after the flood so its hard to image Red Mages starting out on Eorzea where they'd get lynched), and matches up well with the Sharlayan aesthetic (nothing we've seen from Ala Mhigo/Gyr Abania remotely looks like that AF set in terms of aesthetic).

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Looking at Red Mage lore there is no "Witch hunt" that happened after the Great Flood but that Mhach and Amdapor survivors swore to cast aside their old Black Mage and White Mage ways to create a new Mage Organization that works together using both Black and White Magic to benefit the world. However, as the Mhach and Amdapor lore states survivors were very few so I can guess the knowledge of Red Magic did not go very far with so little amount of survivors and the Red Mage Order's history with Mhach and Amdapor along with how White Magic became restricted to the Padjal and Black magic is now forbidden arts to the entire World to prevent another Great Flood from happening again.

Still from how things are it is possible the Red Mage Order went into self exile or remained isolated from the world due to what happened with Mhach and Amdapor which would explain why they choose not to make themselves known to the world else they risk revealing there are survivors of Mhach and Amdapor.

There just a lot of things they go with in Red Mage Storyline now we know they are created by survivors of Mhach and Amdapor along with it being possible this is the first time they began teaching someone from the outside Red Magic due to certain reasons.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I always thought Red Mage screamed "Created by Survivors of Mhach and Amdapor!" considering Red Magic is created by using both Black and White Magic which are limited to a select few people in the world who can find and obtain a White Mage Soulstone and a Black Mage Soulstone. if Sharlayan had a lore being that they are created by survivors of Mhach and Amdapor it would be more logical that they created it but so far no lore points to that.
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Why would White Mage survivors work with Mhach, given that they where broadly irredeemable monster it seems strange the White Mages would corroborate with people from a culture that corrupt.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Why would White Mage survivors work with Mhach [...]

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Because Red Mage has always been a mixture of black and white magic.

Same reason why it was Shinryu that was summoned, rather than Rhalgr or any other deity. Don't try to question fanservice too hard.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Why would White Mage survivors work with Mhach, given that they where broadly irredeemable monster it seems strange the White Mages would corroborate with people from a culture that corrupt.

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As the Mhach Raid storyline revealed there were plenty of people who voiced against the Amdapor vs Mhach War and abuse of their Magic on both sides but the people in power marked them as traitors to their nation until both Civilizations lost control during the war and the Great Flood became imminent thus forcing them to ask for the aid of those who were against the war such as Cait Sith's Master.

Many of the people who were against the war became outcast of Amdapor and Mhach which would lead them to settle some where else or else they risk being captured and imprisoned for treason thus they would find shelter in places such as the mountain regions of Gyr Abania.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

As the Mhach Raid storyline revealed there were plenty of people who voiced against the Amdapor vs Mhach War and abuse of their Magic on both sides but the people in power marked them as traitors to their nation until both Civilizations lost control during the war and the Great Flood became imminent thus forcing them to ask for the aid of those who were against the war such as Cait Sith's Master.

Many of the people who were against the war became outcast of Amdapor and Mhach which would lead them to settle some where else or else they risk being captured and imprisoned for treason thus they would find shelter in places such as the mountain regions of Gyr Abania.

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Seems a little strange that those people would rush to repeat the mistakes there forebears made. I will be interested to see how they try and pull these strands together. Seems a little strange there is a going to be a random tribe of over powered mages just hanging around in the mountains.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Don't seem like a particularly magic focused culture? Have you -been- inside the Great Gubal Library? Or the Anti-Tower? Minfilia herself stated that the only reason the Garleans never invaded Old Sharlayan is because they fear the Sharlayan's magical might. In the Warring Triad series, Urianger sets up a barrier that would take any mage over 20 hours to unmake, with its only weakness being those with the Echo.

Sharlayan likely could've existed alongside the likes of Amdapor and Mhach and held its own. Its -the- magical nation of the modern age (as far as we're aware).

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I should've clarified better. Sharlayans use magic; seems like all cultures except the Garleans use it (because they can't), and the Sharlayans have developed powerful schools of magic of their own. But they are not definied by being a magical powerhouse much like Amdapor and Mhach were. Until the actual fighting broke out, the "war" was a cold one; an arms race to deter the other, and other countries from trying anything. Sharlayan - as a modern magical nation - opted instead to go the scholarly route so as not to repeat the mistakes of Amdapor (screwing with the natural balance) and Mhach (messing with the Void).

Oh, and for the person who asked why White Mages would work with Mhachi survivors: Leave it to a Calamity-level disaster to make people set aside their differences, especially where survival is concerned.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Seems a little strange that those people would rush to repeat the mistakes there forebears made. I will be interested to see how they try and pull these strands together. Seems a little strange there is a going to be a random tribe of over powered mages just hanging around in the mountains.

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They are not repeating the mistake of their forebears because the mistake their forebears made was abusing their Magic to the point they thought they could play God thus unleashing a Calamity so great it literally ripped a hole into the void unleashing countless Voidsent into the world and those Voidsent causing the Great Flood.

the Red Mage order chosen not to make that mistake again and follow a philosophy to use their new Red Magic to benefit the people of the world instead of abusing it as their forebears did.

Funny thing is that it is Sharlayan repeating the mistake of Mhach and Amdapor by keeping the Magic they create for themselves and having the same corrupt government system with the same corrupt government officials abusing their Magic.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

They are not repeating the mistake of their forebears because the mistake their forebears made was abusing their Magic to the point they thought they could play God thus unleashing a Calamity so great it literally ripped a hole into the void unleashing countless Voidsent into the world and those Voidsent causing the Great Flood.

the Red Mage order chosen not to make that mistake again and follow a philosophy to use their new Red Magic to benefit the people of the world instead of abusing it as their forebears did.

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Seems strange that give the almost complete ban on actual White and Black magic we have at moment the group to practise a combination of both isn't one of the most dominate powers in Eorzea.

Just seems a lazy and flawed way to do the lore to me given the issues it seems to throw up, but then I tend to prefer the lore of the resurrected jobs over the ones that are active.

Btw, as there been any info on Stormblood's theme song? I was thinking it being sung in an eastern language (does not have to be japanese) would be nice

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Seems strange that give the almost complete ban on actual White and Black magic we have at moment the group to practise a combination of both isn't one of the most dominate powers in Eorzea.

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Well the ban of White Magic and Black magic was not ther Red Mage order action but the Nation's of Eorzea made that choice themselves after seeing what the Amdapor and Mhach civilization did.

I don't think they even know there are other survivors of Mhach and Amdapor considering the lore so far always seem to imply that all Black Mages of Mhach were assumed wiped out and only a small group of the Padjal were survivors of Amdapor.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well the ban of White Magic and Black magic was not ther Red Mage order action but the Nation's of Eorzea made that choice themselves after seeing what the Amdapor and Mhach civilization did.

I don't think they even know there are other survivors of Mhach and Amdapor considering the lore so far always seem to imply that all Black Mages of Mhach were assumed wiped out and only a small group of the Padjal were survivors of Amdapor.

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The Padjal aren't survivors of Amdapor, the first one was born when the Gelmorians negotiated permission to settle in the Black Shroud, and I think the lore is that the Elementals thought White magic to the Padjals again.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

The Padjal aren't survivors of Amdapor, the first one was born when the Gelmorians negotiated permission to settle in the Black Shroud, and I think the lore is that the Elementals thought White magic to the Padjals again.

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^This, also Edwin, the Great Flood was not caused by Voidsent summoned by the Mhach, it was actually caused by the elementals in retaliation for the rampant abuse of magic (read: aetheric manipulation) that the War unleashed on the world - Void Ark was constructed after the Flood in order for the Mhach to escape from it (although they'd been preparing for it before hand after having premonitions of the flood).

Either way, it was the elementals that caused the Flood as retribution on Nym, Amdapor and especially Mhach for the War of the Magi, and indirectly it seems that also is the cause of why the elementals are now so surly towards Spoken, forcing the Gelmorrans to live underground for centuries and driving the Ixal out of the forest, as immortal creatures of aether it's not exactly something they would easily forget or forgive in a hurry.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Looking at Red Mage lore there is no "Witch hunt" that happened after the Great Flood but that Mhach and Amdapor survivors swore to cast aside their old Black Mage and White Mage ways to create a new Mage Organization that works together using both Black and White Magic to benefit the world.

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I also think that not many of Mhach and Amdapor people survived. And they joined together because they had the whole world as an enemy.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Funny thing is that it is Sharlayan repeating the mistake of Mhach and Amdapor by keeping the Magic they create for themselves and having the same corrupt government system with the same corrupt government officials abusing their Magic.

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not sharing magic =/= abusing magic
don't been active in the world politic =/= going to war

They want to be watchers of the history, but not actors

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I also think that not many of Mhach and Amdapor people survived. And they joined together because they had the whole world as an enemy.

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Reading the lore book, it implies that Amdapor and Nym managed to get most of the populations to higher ground while there militaries tried to hold magically hold back the fold water but there cities where completely devastated.

Mhach on the other hand tried to use the void ark plan which was a complete disaster and there may have been very few people to survive the actual city state of Mhach.

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Originally Posted by Felis

not sharing magic =/= abusing magic
don't been active in the world politic =/= going to war

They want to be watchers of the history, but not actors

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Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.

As has been said not all in Mhach and Amdapor were in favour of the war and massive disasters have a tendency to give people a new perspective. Coupled with the witch hunts it's not surprising that White Mages and Black Mages banded together and chose to craft a new form of magic, drawing upon their combined knowledge, that perhaps was not so dangerous (it'd be a bit stupid to continue the exact practices that caused the whole mess in the first place).

Also doubt there's a whole bunch of Red Mages out there as opposed to a few scholars keeping the tradition alive. It could even be like sch and smn where you are researching into a lost art. Nothing about the description confirmed they are active today just during the 6th Umbral era at least.

As for Sharlayan they've not been shown to have access to white and black magic (and I doubt they'd want to touch the latter with a 10 foot pole) so them creating a discipline based on the two seems a bit of a stretch.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well "in a certain point of view" their actions can be quite similar especially when looking as AST Job Storyline shows us with how they would gladly murder anyone who tries to give knowledge of their arts to outsiders.

Not to mention that the government has been stated to be more corrupted and their "Isolation" now is more to thinking anyone not from Sharlayan are "Savages".

Though I am curious now how Sharlayan are handling their magic more internally than externally. From what we learn from NPCs so far, mostly from AST Job Storyline, there may be some internal abuses going around with the higher ups for power plays and we may learn more in future AST Job storyline with far more once we can finally enter Sharlayan.

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Sharlayan does seem to be in a strange place, it's suppose to have a strong disdain for war (which informs it's view that the other Eoarzan states being savages. It is suppose to have shaired it's advances in the past (atherite travel was rediscovered by Sharlayan and shared with the other city states) they do seem to be becoming more isolationist and corrupt which could make for some interesting developments.

Rereading the job description it might be that the black and white mages in are much closer to the more restricted forms used in thermatolgy and conjurey rather than the true black and white magics used by Mhach and Amadpour. If not I don't see how any group with access to the full horrors of both Mhach and Adampour would have craved out a new empire....

To be fair, I don't think there was ever any doubt that survivors of Amdapor and Mhach would've been responsible for Red Magic and the Red Mage job.

But you have to admit the old theory that floated around for a while had merit. Dissidents/Survivors of the War of the Magi left Eorzea to escape the Witch Hunts and founded Sharlayan, pooling their arts to create Red Magic, and training Red Mages to protect their new haven. Having learned from the past, they dedicated the pursuits of their nation to learning and chronicling history.

What we have now follows the start of that theory, but instead of doing the logical thing and fleeing the witch hunts, as well as learning from history, it seems some remnants of Mhach and Amdapor just decided to tough it out instead, and go down the same path.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

Then take a good look at the Stormblood poster

Second row from top, right side. That just screams "villain" to me.

And the girl above her next to Lyse ? I think that's the real Yda.

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Lady with the pipe? She could be a nice lady for all we know :3

Lately, some are speculating that the viceroy (dude at the very left with the heavy armor screaming "EVIL!") is either the real Yda (which I don't see how that could be possible) or Lyse and Yda's father due to the long blonde hair. I'm leaning more towards maaaybe the viceroy is the girls' father. Hell, idk! lol

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Looking at Red Mage lore there is no "Witch hunt" that happened after the Great Flood but that Mhach and Amdapor survivors swore to cast aside their old Black Mage and White Mage ways to create a new Mage Organization that works together using both Black and White Magic to benefit the world. However, as the Mhach and Amdapor lore states survivors were very few so I can guess the knowledge of Red Magic did not go very far with so little amount of survivors and the Red Mage Order's history with Mhach and Amdapor along with how White Magic became restricted to the Padjal and Black magic is now forbidden arts to the entire World to prevent another Great Flood from happening again.
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From just the website blurb you're entirely correct, however I believe the poster was referring to...

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The Age of Restoration Years 1-4000 (Sixth Astral Era) [immediately after the Calamity of Water]
Scars left by the Sixth Umbral Era ran deep, instilling much despair into the hearts of the realm's few survivors. Fearing that its continued use might further their woes, the art of magic was widely forbidden. Libraries housing ancient tomes were put to flame, while those who practiced--or were rumored to practice-- the art of spellcraft were hunted down and tried as criminals. Many a learned man met the same demise, as the masses had become so incensed they could no longer distinguish the difference between science and sorcery.

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Granted, I can foresee Square subverting this, by having the art of being a Red Mage masked as fencing, buuuut, the quoted person has a point. It's PARTICULARLY odd that the survivors of the two mage cities responsible would just immediately form a new magical order. At least without a proper explanation.

Edit: Someone else having posted the same blurb from another source, I imagine Square wouldn't mean to just ignore it, hopefully it's explained in the Job Quests.

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Lady with the pipe? She could be a nice lady for all we know :3

Lately, some are speculating that the viceroy (dude at the very left with the heavy armor screaming "EVIL!") is either the real Yda (which I don't see how that could be possible) or Lyse and Yda's father due to the long blonde hair. Hell, idk! lol SB just needs to hurry up and get here.

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Isn't he suppose to be the Emperors son though?

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Isn't he suppose to be the Emperors son though?

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That's what I was thinking! But apparently, they be like nooo, his hair is blonde so he/she is somehow related to Lyse and I'm like "What?" XDD

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That's what I was thinking! But apparently, they be like nooo, his hair is blonde so he/she is somehow related to Lyse and I'm like "What?" XDD

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well I guess he might be old enough to be there father....

If one of the things I learned from anime it is that the Pipe Lady is most likely a ally NPC who serves as the "Black Market/Information seller" NPC in the storyline that may provide us some illegal assets and particular "Rumors" that goes around Othard for the right price.

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To be fair, I don't think there was ever any doubt that survivors of Amdapor and Mhach would've been responsible for Red Magic and the Red Mage job.

But you have to admit the old theory that floated around for a while had merit. Dissidents/Survivors of the War of the Magi left Eorzea to escape the Witch Hunts and founded Sharlayan, pooling their arts to create Red Magic, and training Red Mages to protect their new haven. Having learned from the past, they dedicated the pursuits of their nation to learning and chronicling history.

What we have now follows the start of that theory, but instead of doing the logical thing and fleeing the witch hunts, as well as learning from history, it seems some remnants of Mhach and Amdapor just decided to tough it out instead, and go down the same path.

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Well they can still pull Sharlayan being established by Amdapor and Mhach survivors and have some Red Mage knowledge for later Red mage Job skills and storyline but just not the lore being the founder of Red Mage.

It mentioned Red Mage was established right after the Great Flood but when Sharlayan is establish still remains unknown.

Due to how scattered the small amount of survivors were there is also the possibility there was a separate group of survivors that established Sharlayan and maybe establish communication with the Red Mage order sometime after thus having some Red Mage in Sharlayan with a few new Skills we may obtain in future expansions once we go to Sharlayan and would explain the possibility of Red Mage having their armor theme design to be like Sharlayans.

Though in the end it is how Red Mages are treated that would be in question in the Job Storyline rather than origins.