To all those people that loved the MW and did not want an AH

Don't let me catch you using the AH or buying from the item search menu.

No, you get to go search for the retainer, go to the correct ward, get placed on the opposite end of the retainer your looking for, buy your gear/item, then rinse and repeat till you have everything you need.

I'll just buy from the search menu and buy a complete set of gear while your still buying you first piece. I mean it, I don't want to catch you buying from the menu since you like the MW so much, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

I still can't believe they went with MW over an AH. What was Tanaka thinking.

Market Wards or Auction House, doesn't matter which we have. Most people will make things like a level 5 shield 100,000 gil...

Greedy bastards.

Agree with both of you =]

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Originally Posted by sasquatch23

Don't let me catch you using the AH or buying from the item search menu.

No, you get to go search for the retainer, go to the correct ward, get placed on the opposite end of the retainer your looking for, buy your gear/item, then rinse and repeat till you have everything you need.

I'll just buy from the search menu and buy a complete set of gear while your still buying you first piece. I mean it, I don't want to catch you buying from the menu since you like the MW so much, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

I still can't believe they went with MW over an AH. What was Tanaka thinking.

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Looking for pic : hater is gonna hate

I heard that SE teemed up with Ticketmaster to help implement the new buying from item search feature. It's super simple. Find the item, buy the item*. Done!












* Convenience charge, surcharge fee, and delivery fee not including in the final price.

Yay, another pointless tread and OP coming off as rude for a really silly reason.

Moving on now.

If any of you who opposed AH dare use it OP will personally put each and every one of you in time-out.

One more soul to join the others on my ignore list. Congratulations!

I like this message :) This (adamantly inevitable) turn of events vindicates all the times I argued for an AH against the RIDICULOUS reasons people were for the MW.

I don't think anyone said they wouldn't use an AH if it were in the game. The only argument I ever read (or wrote) was that an AH wasn't absolutely necessary, but at the very least improvements to the MW were needed.

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Originally Posted by sasquatch23

Don't let me catch you using the AH or buying from the item search menu.

No, you get to go search for the retainer, go to the correct ward, get placed on the opposite end of the retainer your looking for, buy your gear/item, then rinse and repeat till you have everything you need.

I'll just buy from the search menu and buy a complete set of gear while your still buying you first piece. I mean it, I don't want to catch you buying from the menu since you like the MW so much, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

I still can't believe they went with MW over an AH. What was Tanaka thinking.

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I dare you not to sell anything to them.

i would laugh if OP couldn't sell or buy nothing from the new market search system on his server, because he has warned every1 not to use it.

(also i believe we are getting a new market search system with the ability to buy direct from the search counter, not an auction house)

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Originally Posted by grandm

(also i believe we are getting a new market search system with the ability to buy direct from the search counter, not an auction house)

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Exactly right. But maybe some people consider this basically an AH. Walk up to some counter, find item, buy item, get item.

People can do whatever they want. Even if they liked the MW over the AH they do what they want and it won't matter if there's hater threads.

Meh, Auction House, Market Wards...

Personally, I think it'd just be easier to set up player shops in your own house (see this thread I made for an explanation) and have other people be able to purchase items directly from them and/or visit them as well. Of course, we don't have personal housing yet, but seeing how the devs want to instance a lot of things, it might be easier to do it that way, rather than (if they do it like FF11) set up a public auction house in each town that don't interact with those from the other towns, and then end up having a crapload of people in one spot bogging down the already lackluster servers. Most of the game's current economy is rooted in Ul'dah anyway, and having localized AH's would only exacerbate this issue and isolate the availability of items.

Of course, we haven't seen any new patch notes on how they even plan on doing any of this, so it's all speculation at this point... :confused: But I do agree that the current Market Wards system needs to be overhauled. I hate having to go through a series of menus every time I want to find one item, which may or may not be under the category I think it belongs to...

speaking of vengeance...

lol good point OP

lol OP doesn't really know what the word Auction means, does he?

We are getting improved MW in 1.20 with the ability to buy directly from the menu. We are not getting an AH, and thank god. I don't want to bid on items, its a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

lol OP doesn't really know what the word Auction means, does he?

We are getting improved MW in 1.20 with the ability to buy directly from the menu. We are not getting an AH, and thank god. I don't want to bid on items, its a waste of time.

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It will ultimately be a AH in the end when 2.0 arrives. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's just becoming more Auction Housey as they move along patches.

Honestly, one of the slight blessings of the market ward system that nobody ever considers is the alleviation of a lot of lag. In every MMO out there that possesses an auction house system you always have a massive swarm of characters camping the auction house. No matter what time of day you go by it, there will be hundreds of people sitting there (since barely hundreds play FF14 on besaid server at the same time on ff14, that number is obviously scaled down proportionately).

Honestly, there isnt much threat to this game. Every player on the server could go stand in uldah and it wouldnt slow down that much, cuz there just isnt that many people playing the game anymore. But if the game ever gets a sizable player base back, it's going to have the same annoying issue where going to the auction house results in a drop to your FPS.

Don't get me wrong, i support the ability to shop from the menu... But this was one benefit the wards actually gave to us.

I got like 2 hours to pass til Biology... Oh I know I'll go buy 3 pieces of gear from the MW!

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

I got like 2 hours to pass til Biology... Oh I know I'll go buy 3 pieces of gear from the MW!

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imagine how bored your going to be after 1.20, you'll have to find other things to fill in the time inbetween classes :P

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Originally Posted by sasquatch23

Don't let me catch you using the AH or buying from the item search menu.

No, you get to go search for the retainer, go to the correct ward, get placed on the opposite end of the retainer your looking for, buy your gear/item, then rinse and repeat till you have everything you need.

I'll just buy from the search menu and buy a complete set of gear while your still buying you first piece. I mean it, I don't want to catch you buying from the menu since you like the MW so much, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

I still can't believe they went with MW over an AH. What was Tanaka thinking.

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Looking for pic : hater is gonna hate

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Delivered.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8...5918597297.jpg

Do you even remember the ff11 ah?

Scenario: Sale history 1,000,000 with 2 available
You bid 900,00. Fail
You bid 1,000,000 fail
You bid 1,000,001 fail
You bid 1,000,010 fail
You bid 1,000,100 fail
You bid 1,000,200 fail

Keep going til the actual price this player is actually selling it for......

Not to forget history erases among other things.

Now I'm not for or against ah/mw they both have thier advantages. But buying what I want at a price I know is a huge advantage over bidding, moreso on your time concerns...... really? You can't walk 10 seconds? But you can place an X number of bids for 1 item...
Stop to think of all the fees you pay placing items on an auction. Guess money isn't a huge concern either.....

Ah has it's pros, but seriously mw has it's advantage also.

It's like shopping at a 7-11 that has everything you want at jacked up prices vs going to the store with huge selection and everything is on sale. And yes some days I do prefer a nice dinner at the same cost of a frozen pizza for the same prices with a few min difference, while others I'm lazy and don't want to go the extra mile.

What about those of us who said we didn't need an AH, just a vast improvements to the search feature and the ability to buy from the search menu directly? >_>

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Originally Posted by MeowMeow

Honestly, one of the slight blessings of the market ward system that nobody ever considers is the alleviation of a lot of lag. In every MMO out there that possesses an auction house system you always have a massive swarm of characters camping the auction house. No matter what time of day you go by it, there will be hundreds of people sitting there (since barely hundreds play FF14 on besaid server at the same time on ff14, that number is obviously scaled down proportionately).

Honestly, there isnt much threat to this game. Every player on the server could go stand in uldah and it wouldnt slow down that much, cuz there just isnt that many people playing the game anymore. But if the game ever gets a sizable player base back, it's going to have the same annoying issue where going to the auction house results in a drop to your FPS.

Don't get me wrong, i support the ability to shop from the menu... But this was one benefit the wards actually gave to us.

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Except that all that lag you're "alleviating" is instead shunted over to the actual ward area themselves. That's why they used to crash all the time. >_>

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I don't think anyone said they wouldn't use an AH if it were in the game. The only argument I ever read (or wrote) was that an AH wasn't absolutely necessary, but at the very least improvements to the MW were needed.

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^ pretty much this. I opposed AH initially because MW could have been a good system with some work AND because a good number of people only wanted it because FFXI had it. A lot of people didn't like it initially simply because it was different. Like most of Tanaka's ideas it had potential but was completely unfinished. How it was at launch was awful, how it is now is tolerable. It could be better still but it seems we're starting to just go more for full AH.

Oh and I also hated the specific way XI did it. I didn't have too much experience with it and the way everyone explains it to me, it sounds obnoxiously stupid.

The way we're going to have it is almost the way that most MMOs do and I'm fine with that. I voted for drastic change and if this is part of it, so be it. No problem on my end.

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Originally Posted by Vorn

but seriously mw has it's advantage also.

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I am pretty sure it doesn't have any advantages.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

lol OP doesn't really know what the word Auction means, does he?

We are getting improved MW in 1.20 with the ability to buy directly from the menu. We are not getting an AH, and thank god. I don't want to bid on items, its a waste of time.

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you dont seem to know that auction houses dont consist of auctioning.
not in aion
not in wow
not in rift
not FFXI.... and so on.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

you dont seem to know that auction houses dont consist of auctioning.
not in aion
not in wow
not in rift
not FFXI.... and so on.

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Can't speak for the others, but in WoW there is an actual auction function. Yes, I know it never gets used, but its presence is enough to justify calling it an auction house.

Like I said in the last big AH/MW post, most of the people asking for an AH are actually just asking for a vastly improved MW system that can only loosely be called an AH.

The problem with market ward is when you want to sell anything. You put something on 10k and someone will see that and put it to 5k... At least doesn't happen with an AH.

auc·tion house:

A company that runs auctions.


auction:

A public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest bidder.

Those that disagreed with an AH didn't want a bidding feature and seen it as useless. Most people agreed that a direct buy system from a menu would be ok if done right.

Also, If I remember correctly most of those for MW just seen scrapping it as a waste of resources(which it would have been).

Both sides received what they wanted so just get over it.

It's a shame there's no item called Alchemist Tears. I'd buy all of yours, Market Ward or Auction House!

sales history is gonna help RMT take over and the the AH/MW now.

They way the Market Wards are now is fine. It's balanced with not so many freaken retainers flooding the screen on each floor.

Just remove the restriction and tax impaired to each ward so players can set up shop for w/e item they want to sell.

Call the floors, "market #1, market #2, etc."

They are making possible to buy items from Item Search menu and view purchase/sales history.

It's a improvement of the Market Wards, not a totally separated system like you will have on one hand the Wards and on the other hand the "Auction House".

You still will have to venture in to place your retainer and manage it.

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Originally Posted by vax

The problem with market ward is when you want to sell anything. You put something on 10k and someone will see that and put it to 5k... At least doesn't happen with an AH.

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Undercutting happens, gotta deal with it. Some people like to play the market and profit off of such things, that's on them. It's a competitive scene. Honestly the only system that doesn't happen in is XI's obnoxiously stupid guess-buying system. Even that's not really auctioning, which would be starting with a price and people bidding for it with bids getting progressively higher until the time is up.

The biggest downfall of the Market Wards system is honestly the amount of people. With more and more people a problem starts to arise where specific wards become full and now people can't sell things in the appropriate ward. Some say this encourages people to move to other cities but it generally doesn't work out if you do.

Since we're getting buy from menu, the next logical step (in my mind at least) would be to make them global so that people are encouraged to put their retainers up in the other city wards. At least that way their goods stand a chance of even getting seen.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

They way the Market Wards are now is fine. It's balanced with not so many freaken retainers flooding the screen on each floor.

Just remove the restriction and tax impaired to each ward so players can set up shop for w/e item they want to sell.

Call the floors, "market #1, market #2, etc."

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Funny thing is, that's how it was at launch. However it was the most awful thing in the game because we didn't have an item search feature, so they separated them.

Most of the people who were for the MW said to do this, smart aleck. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was our idea. You can thank us with bottom prices and sales.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

you dont seem to know that auction houses dont consist of auctioning.
not in aion
not in wow
not in rift
not FFXI.... and so on.

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The term auction house came from FFXI because you bid blindly on the items. Its not the same as a trading post. And thats the biggest complaint with the "AH". It has nothing to do with where you stand to buy items.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

I am pretty sure it doesn't have any advantages.

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No, having an item up for sale indefinitely without paying money isn't an advantage. Obv you didn't read before quoting.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Market Wards or Auction House, doesn't matter which we have. Most people will make things like a level 5 shield 100,000 gil...

Greedy bastards.

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Seriously, why do people do this? You don't need to make 200% profit on an item just because you can. It just makes the game that much harder for new players starting out.