What to do when out of leves? Grind?

I'm trying to find this game fun with how broken it is... but I feel like there's nothing to do when I'm out of leves, I could do a few quests, or grind. Or possibly find a group to grind with.

Grind... That is all. No matter what there is besides the few quests I could do, all I can do is Grind. Even find a group to grind with, which is pretty close to impossible. Usually find a duo at most which doesn't work to well.

I honestly feel like the concept of leves just wants me to not play until I build more up...

Or you could do the quests you keep mentioning. Until you've done them all, you have no cause for complaint; there is content that you are willfully ignoring. If the game is feeling like a grind to you now, you should probably quit before you invest any more time in it. If you're trying to force yourself to have fun on a game you perceive as broken, I don't know what to tell you other than that sounds sort of sadistic.

Also, I have great success duoing. Not sure what your issue is.

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Originally Posted by coldviper18

I'm trying to find this game fun with how broken it is... but I feel like there's nothing to do when I'm out of leves, I could do a few quests, or grind. Or possibly find a group to grind with.

Grind... That is all. No matter what there is besides the few quests I could do, all I can do is Grind. Even find a group to grind with, which is pretty close to impossible. Usually find a duo at most which doesn't work to well.

I honestly feel like the concept of leves just wants me to not play until I build more up...

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You whine and complain and you havent even hit level 15 yet. Oh dear.

If its any concelation, leve xp becomes greatly inferior at 30+ for Disciples of War/Magic.

Once you break out of the mid 20's, you can hit 50 in 2 days.

Leves as they are at the moment are not a viable way of doing anything, except craft.

Welcome to FFXIV.

In the OP's defense, there aren't a plethora of side quests to do at their level. The only thing outside of leves or grinding that they can do is trying to get a group together for Shposhae and do some party killing in there. They can also do a couple story quests.

Grind to 50?

Also, in this person's defense, low level leves are just borked atm. I hear unless you can get a small group or people to grind with, progression is god awfully slow.

So, maybe go do that? Dunno what you expect from a MMO if you are questioning a party grind. You will always need to do this at some point.

Until you hit around rank 22, Leves will be a main source of content, as well as Main Story and Side Quests.

Take a look at your profile, you have not done a single quest short of the opening cut scene! If you would like to know what you have available currently, check this out. http://www.ffxiv-db.com/questcheck.p...n4=1&option5=1

There is lots of content to be had. I bet by the time you get things done you'll have a good stack of Leves to use to push you up over the threshold. Once 25 hits, you'll have lots to do.

You're also in good range to tackle Shposhae, the level 15 dungeon. It contains 3 NMs and good drops at your rank. Also a great place to level up.

I've played many mmo's. And have grinded in many. The most common FFXI, you could fairly easily get a group together and grind XP that way, here it's near impossible to find a group of people. Let alone where to grind. WoW, you can do quests all the way up to 85. Actually there's even more than that in WoW to level. PvP, Dungeons, Grinding and Quests all very viable ways of leveling.

I'm meerly asking what there is else to do, but no one can give me anything other than "You're not even level 15!" Or "You haven't done a single side quest aside from the opening cut scene!". For one, I'm actually 14 in several classes and 17 on thaumaturge now. And secondly, no I haven't done any side quests because my personal preference in any MMO has just been level now, do the quests later. Because I absolutely hate spending a bunch of time on a quest only to get to a part where I need to kill something and I'm not even remotely high enough level to do it. And I have looked at the list of potential quests and there are not that many available to my level that I could probably finish in less than a days playtime.

Obviously, the hostility of everyone has shown and made my point more valid. There's nothing to do but grind. And while that's typically how all MMO's are, most of them try to make it less tedius by having many other options. This game, has one. Leves, and it runs out quite fast before you basically can either just go out and grind mobs over and over. Or not play the game as that's what Leves are basically telling you to do.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

You're also in good range to tackle Shposhae, the level 15 dungeon. It contains 3 NMs and good drops at your rank. Also a great place to level up.

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There was no hostility in my post at all, I was trying to help you. *shrug*

You're whining about a lack of content, and yet when content is offered to you, you refuse to do it. You're the one with the problem here. Leves are not the only thing to do, they're just the only thing you're willing to do.

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Originally Posted by coldviper18

I've played many mmo's. And have grinded in many. The most common FFXI, you could fairly easily get a group together and grind XP that way, here it's near impossible to find a group of people. Let alone where to grind. WoW, you can do quests all the way up to 85. Actually there's even more than that in WoW to level. PvP, Dungeons, Grinding and Quests all very viable ways of leveling.

I'm meerly asking what there is else to do, but no one can give me anything other than "You're not even level 15!" Or "You haven't done a single side quest aside from the opening cut scene!". For one, I'm actually 14 in several classes and 17 on thaumaturge now. And secondly, no I haven't done any side quests because my personal preference in any MMO has just been level now, do the quests later. Because I absolutely hate spending a bunch of time on a quest only to get to a part where I need to kill something and I'm not even remotely high enough level to do it. And I have looked at the list of potential quests and there are not that many available to my level that I could probably finish in less than a days playtime.

Obviously, the hostility of everyone has shown and made my point more valid. There's nothing to do but grind. And while that's typically how all MMO's are, most of them try to make it less tedius by having many other options. This game, has one. Leves, and it runs out quite fast before you basically can either just go out and grind mobs over and over. Or not play the game as that's what Leves are basically telling you to do.

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I believe you have identified several opportunities for the game in your comments. I agree that the guildleve system has always been an Achilles' heel. It is institutionalized at this point, and providers people a way to gain gil and experience points relatively easily, but I don't think it is "today" meant to be the primary content in the game, although I think in the past that was definitely the intent.

It sounds like from your post that you don't mind to skip quests and grind out some levels. I prefer this over quest leveling too, and especially over leve-leveling.

I suggest you do a couple of things

1. Find a guild that has a number of players that are your level. Almost any guild will have people that have jobs your level, even if they are already 50 on many of those jobs. Join up and if you still cannot get lower level groups, you can certainly work with your guild to power level your character up to a higher level. As a lot of us have been playing for a long time without a large influx of new players, there are probably not a lot of people searching for content at these lower levels.

2. Short of joining a guild that is proactive in helping you level up, you can certainly create pick up groups in Ul'dah if you are willing to put the time and effort into shouting. Eventually you will find people who are facing similar issues that you are.

These may not be the answers you are looking for. I don't disagree with your comments, but I do think this game is a lot more fun at higher levels, and with the support of a good guild to play with. Roaming FFXIV at low levels without a guild is a pretty empty experience.

Good Luck!

I usually run around Uldah stalking people. It makes me happy

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Originally Posted by coldviper18

And secondly, no I haven't done any side quests because my personal preference in any MMO has just been level now, do the quests later. Because I absolutely hate spending a bunch of time on a quest only to get to a part where I need to kill something and I'm not even remotely high enough level to do it.

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And this is where your assumption is slightly flawed. The mainline quests for this game are currently designed that even a crafter without any combat skills should be able to clear it.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

In the OP's defense, there aren't a plethora of side quests to do at their level. The only thing outside of leves or grinding that they can do is trying to get a group together for Shposhae and do some party killing in there. They can also do a couple story quests.

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There are 25 sidequests and 3 (almost 4) main quests he could do. What constitutes a plethora in your opinion?

ya let me spare you the drama, most quests are go kill 8 monsters and then ur done, fun indeed......

The game is quite boring even if you can't bring yourself to admit it.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

There are 25 sidequests and 3 (almost 4) main quests he could do. What constitutes a plethora in your opinion?

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I stand corrected, there are quite a few sidequests in the 10-15 range. However when these quests are only providing 200-500 xp each, it's not really putting a huge dent in your progress. You can kill two or three monsters within a few minutes and get the same xp as it takes you to run around for 30 minutes in some cases for that average of 350 xp for a quest. Side quests are not a viable form of progression, nor were they designed to be.

Never said they were, but they are something to do while waiting for leves to reset. The OP says there's nothing to do but grind outside of leves, and even knows that there are quests he can do, but refuses to do them all the while complaining about having nothing to do. I have no sympathy for that.

Farm mobs for gil?

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Originally Posted by Leknaat

And this is where your assumption is slightly flawed. The mainline quests for this game are currently designed that even a crafter without any combat skills should be able to clear it.

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And that's why they're all incredibly bland and boring from a gameplay perspective. Some of the cutscenes are nice, and if you care about the plot for this game, they're good to do. If you care about interesting gameplay, you may want to find something else to do.

I did two sidequests. One at level 5 which had me run around the city and talk to various NPC's to get a signature or something i.e. Fed Ex quest. The other one had me go kill marmots to get a quest item. That's about as bland as it gets in terms of MMO quests. They don't become more involved or interesting as you level. They remain the same.

Yes, they're content by definition, but that doesn't make them fun or compelling.

I never understood why people that don't care about plot even play RPGs...

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

I never understood why people that don't care about plot even play RPGs...

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MMORPG's aren't strictly RPG's. They're multiplayer games. I find the stories I have from playing with real people are always more interesting than what the writers have given us. It doesn't help that, over the years, I found most JRPG storylines to be full of cliche and retarded angsty teen drama.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

MMORPG's aren't strictly RPG's. They're multiplayer games. I find the stories I have from playing with real people are always more interesting than what the writers have given us. It doesn't help that, over the years, I found most JRPG storylines to be full of cliche and retarded angsty teen drama.

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Still. It's weird to me. It's like buying a comic book and only looking at the pictures. Yeah, the art is an important part, but what's the point?

If out of leves do Caravan Escort and/or Behest!

Grind is never the best option IMO...because grind is also the main source of boredom...including all types of grinding...from craft/gather grinding to xp parties/raid/ifrit/SH grinding.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

Still. It's weird to me. It's like buying a comic book and only looking at the pictures. Yeah, the art is an important part, but what's the point?

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Because not everyone shares the same interest in enjoyment as you. I don't enjoy the story of XIV much because its very, very typical, common and cliche. Nothing is unique, its traditional scenario which I likely can guess what is going to happen and is easily summed up.

This isnt XIV or SE's problem though, happens all the time, movies, many games. Its hard to do things different unless everything is different.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

And that's why they're all incredibly bland and boring from a gameplay perspective. Some of the cutscenes are nice, and if you care about the plot for this game, they're good to do. If you care about interesting gameplay, you may want to find something else to do.

I did two sidequests. One at level 5 which had me run around the city and talk to various NPC's to get a signature or something i.e. Fed Ex quest. The other one had me go kill marmots to get a quest item. That's about as bland as it gets in terms of MMO quests. They don't become more involved or interesting as you level. They remain the same.

Yes, they're content by definition, but that doesn't make them fun or compelling.

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Like you I find the content bland and mostly uninspired with the exception of the Ifrit fight and even that's a bit more gimmicky than inspired. But FFXIV is... what it is...

I think the most entertaining quest I did was the one in Limsa where I had to /psych emote rather than talk to the people. Byond that... bleaugh.

Put the game down, go play other stuff. They've promised a better brighter FFXIV (a year and half down the line). (And I'm hoping there's more inspired questing down the line).

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Originally Posted by coldviper18

I'm trying to find this game fun with how broken it is... but I feel like there's nothing to do when I'm out of leves, I could do a few quests, or grind. Or possibly find a group to grind with.

Grind... That is all. No matter what there is besides the few quests I could do, all I can do is Grind. Even find a group to grind with, which is pretty close to impossible. Usually find a duo at most which doesn't work to well.

I honestly feel like the concept of leves just wants me to not play until I build more up...

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I don't agree with those who say you're whining. You didn't say anything that isn't true. I'm sorry for the negative responses.

You posed a legitimate question. This game doesn't present its intended leveling options very well.

Levequests used to be the intended meat and potatoes of leveling. Then Yoshi-P announced last June that leves would be taken away from being the main focus, and repositioned as solo/casual content, as he wanted to give us what other modern MMOs offer - a variety of leveling options.

Options such as:

• Main scenario quests
• Traditional quests (called sidequests in this game, something I'm personally not a fan of, since that makes them sound trivial)
• Behests
• Instanced raid dungeons
• Beastman Strongholds

However, those options are still being built and barely past the starting stages of being set up. Content is still pretty thin, and this game has yet to fully realize its future vision.

Also in the levequest announcement, Yoshi-P said this:

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We still have some ways to go, but Final Fantasy XIV will gradually shift from being a grind-centric game to one that offers enjoyment for all playing styles and circumstances with its ever-expanding variety of content.

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This is a huge complaint of mine, because right now it's a very contradictory statement. Old-school mindless grinding, a la FFXI, is one of the fastest ways to level right now. You can't stand in Ul'dah without being inundated with shout spam from people putting grind parties together. How is that getting away from being a grind-centric game?

I would like to see real quest-based leveling, where I could do nothing but quest all the way to level cap, if that's what I chose to do. Reason being, I play most of the time duo with my husband, and questing is what we enjoy doing together. However, questing is still so anemic, that's not yet an option.

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Originally Posted by coldviper18

I'm trying to find this game fun with how broken it is... but I feel like there's nothing to do when I'm out of leves, I could do a few quests, or grind. Or possibly find a group to grind with.

Grind... That is all. No matter what there is besides the few quests I could do, all I can do is Grind. Even find a group to grind with, which is pretty close to impossible. Usually find a duo at most which doesn't work to well.

I honestly feel like the concept of leves just wants me to not play until I build more up...

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omg you ran out of leves, lol. i havnt been below 80 since 1.19 lol. You wil lvl much faster in an xp party

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

This is a huge complaint of mine, because right now it's a very contradictory statement. Old-school mindless grinding, a la FFXI, is one of the fastest ways to level right now. You can't stand in Ul'dah without being inundated with shout spam from people putting grind parties together. How is that getting away from being a grind-centric game?

I would like to see real quest-based leveling, where I could do nothing but quest all the way to level cap, if that's what I chose to do. Reason being, I play most of the time duo with my husband, and questing is what we enjoy doing together. However, questing is still so anemic, that's not yet an option.

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I highlighted the important parts to show you how this statement is not actually contradicting anything:

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We still have some ways to go, but Final Fantasy XIV will gradually shift from being a grind-centric game to one that offers enjoyment for all playing styles and circumstances with its ever-expanding variety of content.

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I highlighted the important parts to show you how this statement is not actually contradicting anything:

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I see what you're getting at, but making grinding the most efficient way to level means we've outright moved backwards instead of forwards. At this rate, we're beyond 'gradual'. We've just plain missed the mark.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I see what you're getting at, but making grinding the most efficient way to level means we've outright moved backwards instead of forwards. At this rate, we're beyond 'gradual'. We've just plain missed the mark.

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most of mmorpg now a day are quest grind, party grind only play a small part to support or to force ppl to pvp with each other (in pvp game), so yes I am agree with your point.

ps: maybe it is time to fix your sign ? will not be 12.99$

@OP who created this thread: get use to this community forum, they are not nice as the other forum.

tips: when you re out of quest you can "grind behest" (no other option) will be able to do every 30 min, but after the 1st you will have to wait until the last min to be able to register to another behest.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

Never said they were, but they are something to do while waiting for leves to reset. The OP says there's nothing to do but grind outside of leves, and even knows that there are quests he can do, but refuses to do them all the while complaining about having nothing to do. I have no sympathy for that.

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Well, part of me agrees with you, but...

I have only done a few quests, but they are absolutely horrible. Running around the city for 30-45 minutes, "investigating" and listening to dead boring small talk. Or being presented a never-ending tale from an NPC, while his only point is "kill some mobs so my workers can fix the bridge safely", then you have to spend en eternity simply getting there.

I do love good stories in RPG, but in this game it's endless babbling while saying nothing. So I've lost interest in them, meaning leves are my only option. Therefore I can somewhat symphatise with the OP's points.

I don't see why the Op is getting a bunch of grief from the community. Is this really how a bunch of people are going to treat someone who seems realitively new to this game and is asking for help. I have seen a few suggestions, which is nice. This game is obviously not good at keeping people's attention...that should signal a red flag to the community at large.

Anywho, Op, to answer your question, other than grinding to get your character up to do the side quests, there is the main story line and I believe company quests (which I think one needs to be 20+? correct me if I am wrong). You could hunt NM's, and maybe join a very active LS if you have the time to do runs on Ifrit? Other than that, I don't think there isn't much to do. The dev's are doing their best to try and fix this game for it's users. The best thing that I can offer is maybe just to take a break until next year when it's supposed to be a completely different game. I've stopped playing myself and just log in occasionally so I can take part in discussion and ask questions. I don't want to get to far into FFXIV and it's current play style when it's going to be drastically different in a year. Sorry it's not to your liking, many didn't like it either for obvious reasons, but hopefully it will be considered "release worthy" by end of next year that it will draw back a big community for us to play in together :)

Um...when you were new you asked for help and I invited you to our ls. This person is asking what there is to do when they know exactly what there is to do. I'm not a mean person, I just don't tolerate bs. Also, calling the game broken, saying it's impossible to find a group (when it's not with just a minute amount of effort), and refusing to do content because it doesn't fit their playstyle (what?)... I don't understand how people are defending the OP. He hasn't done a single quest and is asking what else there is to do besides leves, complaining about a grind that is self-imposed.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

Um...when you were new you asked for help and I invited you to our ls. This person is asking what there is to do when they know exactly what there is to do. I'm not a mean person, I just don't tolerate bs. Also, calling the game broken, saying it's impossible to find a group (when it's not with just a minute amount of effort), and refusing to do content because it doesn't fit their playstyle (what?)... I don't understand how people are defending the OP. He hasn't done a single quest and is asking what else there is to do besides leves, complaining about a grind that is self-imposed.

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Oh btw, I am still nin the LS from time to time. I'm taking a break from playing for obvious reasons. As far as doing LS related things, sorry. I can't force my husband to set time aside to schedule to do things. He likes to do things on his own time. He and I have little time to play, he doesn't want to feel like playing a game is a job. <<<<-Edited part
And as far as content, I played Rift for two evenings...2...I had more fun playing the silly side quests that were low-levels that actually had something to do with imminent danger to the environment and surroundings than FFXIV does...I am a huge FF fan. HUGE. I played XI for years! And when I moved to this game, just like many, I liked it but was disappointed.

The grind in this game isn't self-imposed. It is in a way forced. You can't tell me it's not forced. Especially at low-levels from what I hear, it's a major pain to level up...how is that self imposed? You can't get enough exp doing side-quests, and if you aren't willing to dedicate time to an LS, leveling can be rather slow and painful not to mention, people seem to have a hard time finding parties :/

How in anyway is the lack of content the OP's fault? If this game truely wants to succeed and be competitive with other MMO's out there, FF has to find a way to jive with the majority of players. Not me, but others people who play MMO's who I know prefer to like story-related progression, side-quests that are related to the MS in some way, that is intriguing and fun, and has something for ALL levels, not just "Okay grind 5 level's here...do quest....another few levels here...do quest..."... That doesn't always translate as fun for everyone :/

You did accept my ls. I'm not offended at all, you're the one that rage quit after d/cing in Toto-Rak. There is not a lack of content, the OP is refusing to complete the content that is available in the game. If they were at 50 with all the content complete, then they would have a valid complaint. I'm done with this topic now, as I think I've stated my point as clearly as I can, and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills arguing it again and again.

Didn't rage quit. Hubbie logged...if he doesn't play I don't play what part of that don't you get >_<;

Then don't argue, and stop taking crazy pills. What you find enjoyable doesn't always translate to others. Grinding obsessivly maybe considered fun to one and not the other >_<;

I agree with you. I even told the OP to quit if they weren't having fun. I haven't seen you on since that day, so forgive me for assuming. I'm not mad at you at all, I think you're a cool person. Sorry if I'm coming off as hostile. I don't intend to.

Sorry for the long wait response. Kiddo wanted me to help her with her Tinker Bell Costume XD LOL. Anywho, it's okay, you did come off a bit hostile to me. No worries. Anywho, yes, if the op isn't having fun she should stop playing.

Edited: Yeah we didn't rage quit at Toto-Rak at all. Wel continued playing up until two monthes ago. When we found out we were expecting, we've kind of put FFXIV on hold due to pregnancy and all the changes that are coming. I don't like playing a game and it having be something completely different later on. Like a bait and switch. I'd just rather wait until the end of next year, keep my characters, and wait until my new baby is sleeping through the night before my husband and I play again. THat way when the kids are in bed, we can so get our FFXIV dork on :P