Pugilist Tanking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X_CXkreL4k
Is this good enough?

Well done - its something I have been meaning to try for some time. What was your party set up and if you dont mind what was your bar set up? Just curious.

/claps :D

very cool

How many tries till you pull this stunt?

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Well done - its something I have been meaning to try for some time. What was your party set up and if you dont mind what was your bar set up? Just curious.

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3 healers , 4 DPS (Which was 3CON and 4LNC here... though I find PGL is fine as well)
If you watch the beginning of the video, one of my skills (provoke) was on cd as I just equipped it ._. so there wasn't any special setup.
I always have sentinel , second wind and cure on my bar and thats the only important things. Accomplice is very useful for keeping hate.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

How many tries till you pull this stunt?

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that was my first time tanking as PGL. I'm used to using MRD's Storm's Path to keep hate , which is why I lost hate once.



I have played all the classes and PGL was very fun. Everyone on the forums says it's weak and unwanted, so I pushed my ls members to help me out with this ^^

The 2 things I noticed is you were taking a lot of damage compared to our marauders, and that this was an easy run as ifrit made a lot of jumps.
I think that on a low jump run pugilist would either get owned, or simply deplete the mages mp.
Maybe after 1.20, or 1.21 this might be a bit more viable.

Was Defender II up?

you got lucky at the end there were you positioned him badly and he jumped for you, lol(at 7:59)

good job

Love it. Grats

I have been soloing many of the coffers lately. So I was curious on your gear set up for this. I can only tell so much by gear looks. Did you have double meld evasion body/feet/hat?

Currently I have evasion/m.evasion feet~ str/attack hands ~ the claws~ turban (I think double m.evasion hat would be better)

I mean my current PGL set up is fairly legit, but I need to double meld my body though (I have a crit+50) I should have saved my 2nd and tried to double for a +100.

Considering you had Blindside on your bar still, you could have used it with Follow Through for extra dmg while Victimize was on cooldown. And if you're confident with your hate, could always have a LNC taunt it so you Blindside + Victimize.

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Originally Posted by Akuun

The 2 things I noticed is you were taking a lot of damage compared to our marauders, and that this was an easy run as ifrit made a lot of jumps.
I think that on a low jump run pugilist would either get owned, or simply deplete the mages mp.
Maybe after 1.20, or 1.21 this might be a bit more viable.

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Even with low jumps it's still very manageable. All melee classes can main tank Ifrit.

Even with low jumps PGL has a larger MP pool. MRD tosses a cure and they are just about depleted. Right now PGL is just in a situation where many people favor LNC because of Ifrit.

A well equipped pgl can keep up dps and survive a bit better in many other situations. The AoE arguement is usually null in terms of spiritbind. If you want AoE your just going to have a MRD anyways.

Thing is PGL absolutely needs skills from almost all classes while some lnc can get away without some. Follow Through also does decent dps by itself w/o the blindside, which makes it great to have on your bar. My current issue is Concusive Blow. The dps from the skill is crap and for it not working 100% makes me question even having the skill on my bar to be honest.

this might seem like an obvious, dumb statement. wont this all be very different once 1.20 hits? cross-class abilities less effective, and all the new elemental stances to take in to consideration, i wonder if it will be easier/harder to do this then

that was kinda rhetorical btw, i know these questions can't be answered till we see the new PUG in action

I would like to say easier. However I do not see the Earth stance being viable regardless of the mp drain in a long fight. We won't have stygian spikes 2 to keep up mp at that point.

However I did make Earth/Fire caligae so those stances give me better damage. My Wind/Evasions kept failing. So I will have to use my Evasion/M.Evasion pair until then :|

I do think we will be sought after more though. If we lose all those 0 point attacks, "Flurry, Pummel, ect..." All other classes will lose theirs as well. Noting the attack speed buff on MNK it is safe to say we will likely get an attack speed trait. I can see PGL being the TP master this patch. Which one of the sole reasons why people seem to love LNC. Without their tp buff skills, and 0 point skills MRD/LNC will be forced to swing very slowly. Along with an accuracy nerf that is coming this patch. I predict "miss, miss, miss, miss, miss" followed by plenty of rage quitters once they realize they have to socket accuracy in their gloves now lol! I mean just look at those LNC skills that say "works after missed attack"

Luckily PGL attacks fast enough we won't have to worry about a lot of it :D

Honestly, I was one who was upset at the loss of AA, but the 0 costs kept me having fun at Lv30+, since it still felt like it was the way it used to be.... sorta...
but this next patch, w/o anything to do, other than watch and be bored between every 3mins, when ill have enough TP, I'm not sure how well I'll take it.
PGL might be the only class I might tolerate.

The fact is that this is much harder than MRD, as you need 3x healer, while MRD could easily use just 1-2 healer.
So it won't make PGL become need, unless PGL is better choice(as in DD or tank).

this is just wrong. this just goes to show how messed up and unballenced all the classes are.
imo only glad should be able to tank this. i use mrd cus we all know its the best atm.
now do it with an archer! and drive my point home.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

this is just wrong. this just goes to show how messed up and unballenced all the classes are.
imo only glad should be able to tank this. i use mrd cus we all know its the best atm.
now do it with an archer! and drive my point home.

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Except Archer isn't one of the tank classes, Pugilist is. We'll see how things go in 1.20 but it's looking like Pugilist/Monk is steering away from the Tanking aspect. Pugilist has 1 enmity ability to Marauder's 2 to Gladiator's 4. I mean sure you can cross-class some stuff but it's less effective and honestly just from the design of the class on its own it seems like more of a DD with each patch. If you want to tank you'll have to level Glad and Marauder, if it's even viable with the Earth stance.

I imagine the Earth stance is more for survivability on the side-lines from stray AoEs than full tanking. We'll see how it really goes though.

I have a evasion build I have been messing with that currently has around 430+ evasion.

I am shooting for 500+

It is very effective vs same level and even up to 55 level mobs. Can sometimes go 5-6 hits in a row where they miss.

The problems with a evasion build are no good shit w/evasion that you can stack materia too, and if you get hit it really hurts.

I want to do a parry/evasion build, which can tank quite well when it works.

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Originally Posted by Akuun

The 2 things I noticed is you were taking a lot of damage compared to our marauders, and that this was an easy run as ifrit made a lot of jumps.
I think that on a low jump run pugilist would either get owned, or simply deplete the mages mp.
Maybe after 1.20, or 1.21 this might be a bit more viable.

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As a healer, I've noticed that many heals are wasted on the tank - if he has lost 1500hp and on yellow, usually you will see 2 or 3 mages cast cure3 and heal for 3000 total. That's when I thought the extra damage I take doesn't matter much as long as I don't die.
MP was never a problem for mages, but the tank's positioning and survivability on his own always mattered the most. When the tank died it was because all the mages were running away or theres only 1 mage spamming heals and dies from eruption.
Yes, we were quite lucky on the jumps and it saved me from repositioning ifrit a few times. But it was my first time as a PGL, everyone was skeptical and took it as a joke. If I ever try this again , I'll probably have a different action bar as what I used was what I had equipped ages ago (provoke I equipped last second , you can see its on cd at the beginning of the fight)

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Originally Posted by Musaid

Was Defender II up?

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Nope, chose not to use it

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Originally Posted by Mardel

I have been soloing many of the coffers lately. So I was curious on your gear set up for this. I can only tell so much by gear looks. Did you have double meld evasion body/feet/hat?

Currently I have evasion/m.evasion feet~ str/attack hands ~ the claws~ turban (I think double m.evasion hat would be better)

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Evasion does almost nothing against Ifrit, probably because his claw attack is considered an ability and not an attack so it can't be evaded. As for my gear ... it was nothing special. Alpine war jacket from DH, silver tricorne, felt kecks , felt bracers, hunting moccasins. 1 Eva IV on boots and 1 HP IV on legs thats it.

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

As a healer, I've noticed that many heals are wasted on the tank - if he has lost 1500hp and on yellow, usually you will see 2 or 3 mages cast cure3 and heal for 3000 total. That's when I thought the extra damage I take doesn't matter much as long as I don't die.
MP was never a problem for mages, but the tank's positioning and survivability on his own always mattered the most. When the tank died it was because all the mages were running away or theres only 1 mage spamming heals and dies from eruption.
Yes, we were quite lucky on the jumps and it saved me from repositioning ifrit a few times. But it was my first time as a PGL, everyone was skeptical and took it as a joke. If I ever try this again , I'll probably have a different action bar as what I used was what I had equipped ages ago (provoke I equipped last second , you can see its on cd at the beginning of the fight)

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That falls on the shoulders of the main and support healer not rotating cures.
The main should cure, then the next cure should be from the support.
This also allows the mages to keep their mp high, and in the case of an eruption on either,
the other takes care of any needed heals till the other mage is back in position.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Except Archer isn't one of the tank classes, Pugilist is. We'll see how things go in 1.20 but it's looking like Pugilist/Monk is steering away from the Tanking aspect. Pugilist has 1 enmity ability to Marauder's 2 to Gladiator's 4. I mean sure you can cross-class some stuff but it's less effective and honestly just from the design of the class on its own it seems like more of a DD with each patch. If you want to tank you'll have to level Glad and Marauder, if it's even viable with the Earth stance.

I imagine the Earth stance is more for survivability on the side-lines from stray AoEs than full tanking. We'll see how it really goes though.

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Actually, after the patch I'd say we won't even have one enmity ability. Looks like we're keeping Taunt, which really doesn't have much enmity attached to it. . .

I love the font in your UI. What font is that?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Actually, after the patch I'd say we won't even have one enmity ability. Looks like we're keeping Taunt, which really doesn't have much enmity attached to it. . .

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None, actually. It just forces you on top of the enmity list for about 10 seconds, then you go back to your place, that's why Taunt is not really useful to say, pull a mob away from a CNJ. Only real use I see is to get the mob to attack you so you can evade and smack it's face with Simian (or Haymaker, after 1.20)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

None, actually. It just forces you on top of the enmity list for about 10 seconds, then you go back to your place, that's why Taunt is not really useful to say, pull a mob away from a CNJ. Only real use I see is to get the mob to attack you so you can evade and smack it's face with Simian (or Haymaker, after 1.20)

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Well, as it stands now, Taunt actually is worth ~280 enmity. Compare that to Provoke's ~440 and Disorient's ~240. Disorient still wins, though, because it has a much shorter cooldown.

Really? Then I guess I suck at keeping enmity up cause the mobs end up going back to the mages most of the time =/
How do you get those numbers btw?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

How do you get those numbers btw?

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From here.

If you click "Previous Entry" time or two, you'll see the descriptions of the tests these numbers come from. Of course, it's all changing in a few days. . .

Nice Rep for us PUGs