Common melee-DPS gear. (QoL)

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Did anyone ask himself- why tanks, healers, Ranged DPS (magic and physic) have a common gear and melee DPS- not? All this classes dont need to grind 2-3 sets of gear, all they need- to get the weapon and BAM- you play for another class (if leveled, of course). But melee DPS need to grind sets for each class- Dragoon, Monk, Ninja. IS IT FAIR? Why we have such a discrimination?

In the game we already have a lot of gear, which have both DEX and STR parameters (Darklight for example). So why another gear wasnt created in a same way?

Dear lovely SE^^, please, make a change, fix this unfair thing. Make all Melee DPS gear common. Thank you

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To those, who can say "the design must be different for Dragoon, Monk and Ninja". No, it can be common like it is right now for tanks, healers and ranged DPS

It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different. Think about it.. NIN and DRG running around in the same gear would be bizarre.

Actually I'd like the shared gear to be split up too. I don't like always having another healer to roll against whenever I'm healing 8-man content. Keep accessories shared, but left-side gear should all be class-specific imo.

for dragoons the reason they're split is because they have higher DEF (not sure if it's still the case now) for monk and ninja, they used to share stuff so i think they can atleast share again

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Originally Posted by Astyrah

for dragoons the reason they're split is because they have higher DEF (not sure if it's still the case now) for monk and ninja, they used to share stuff so i think they can atleast share again

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Are there any reasons for dragoons to have a higher DEF? No, they are not tanks, the are common Mellee DPS. So, I think, that this problem can be solved or by cutting down this def bonus or by making some defense bonus for these common gear- it will be not so big as in Dragoon gear, but not so little like Monks or Ninjas have

lol i understand your concern but for lore reasons (maybe? since 1.0ish? someone pls correct me if im wrong) that dragoons were made the tanky melee, they have higher DEF at the cost of slightly lower MDEF compared to monks who were given average def/mdef armor. and it's been this way for as long as i can remember so i doubt SE will touch it.

edit: also if ever (if ever!) samurai would be introduced as DPS, i can probably see them going the way of NIN/MNK with SAM armor initially sharing maiming dungeon (not AF/etc.) gear with DRG since they're both tanky

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Originally Posted by Xyno

Good day

Did anyone ask himself- why tanks, healers, Ranged DPS (magic and physic) have a common gear and melee DPS- not? All this classes dont need to grind 2-3 sets of gear, all they need- to get the weapon and BAM- you play for another class (if leveled, of course). But melee DPS need to grind sets for each class- Dragoon, Monk, Ninja. IS IT FAIR? Why we have such a discrimination?

In the game we already have a lot of gear, which have both DEX and STR parameters (Darklight for example). So why another gear wasnt created in a same way?

Dear lovely SE^^, please, make a change, fix this unfair thing. Make all Melee DPS gear common. Thank you

P.S.
To those, who can say "the design must be different for Dragoon, Monk and Ninja". No, it can be common like it is right now for tanks, healers and ranged DPS

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So you want even less variation of gear in the game? I'd rather more.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

So you want even less variation of gear in the game? I'd rather more.

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Id rather FAIR play. If other classes have common gear (have a joy of switching anytime they want and playing without the nesassaty to grind another set), I, playing by monk, want to have the same JOY. I dont want to waste a lot of time for grind another set, I can spend my time in other way. I like to play by melee DPS

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Originally Posted by Xyno

Id rather FAIR play. If other classes have common gear (have a joy of switching anytime they want and playing without the nesassaty to grind another set), I, playing by monk, want to have the same JOY. I dont want to waste a lot of time for grind another set, I can spend my time in other way. I like to play by melee DPS

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But it is fair play? you can play as any job you like, you can get any gear you like. Your only limiting yourself by not playing jobs that share gear.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different.

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Monk and Ninja pretty much use the same style - Their sets are usually recolors of each other. And when that is not the case, they share an aesthetic with another job, which goes against this point as well.

Ironically, Dragoon and Tanks tend to have very close aesthetics these days.

That said...I'd also rather have more shared gear than less. For one, because it means the appearance is shared as well and I can use it for glamour on either job, for another, because gearing up is highly gated, which makes it hard to keep multiple jobs up to date. Bonus points for less bloated loot tables and loot dropping to the ground. Not that I'm in favor of loot "drops" in the first place due to their competitive nature... >_>

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Originally Posted by Callinon

It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different. Think about it.. NIN and DRG running around in the same gear would be bizarre.

Actually I'd like the shared gear to be split up too. I don't like always having another healer to roll against whenever I'm healing 8-man content. Keep accessories shared, but left-side gear should all be class-specific imo.

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this would be nice. especially considering the glamour restrictions of only being able to glamour something once. glamor my shire gear for my paladin and if I play warrior. I'm stuck looking horrendous.

the other thinkg is being shared they never really fit any of the roles properly. the shire gear again is an example of this. the custodisans armor doesn't really fit any of the tanks thematically imo. so yeah more job specific gear would be great as hopefully it would better fit with the jobs

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Originally Posted by Dzian

this would be nice. especially considering the glamour restrictions of only being able to glamour something once. glamor my shire gear for my paladin and if I play warrior. I'm stuck looking horrendous.

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i'll just say though i think the main reason why they keep tanks and healers gear shared is that it is to avoid progression nightmares in savage raids since some tanks and healers switch between main and secondary tanking/healing roles and some also switch jobs for certain floors like in my former group our MT is PLD for A9s and A10s but switches to DRK for the A11s and A12s.

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Originally Posted by Astyrah

i'll just say though i think the main reason why they keep tanks and healers gear shared is that it is to avoid progression nightmares in savage raids since some tanks and healers switch between main and secondary tanking/healing roles and some also switch jobs for certain floors like in my former group our MT is PLD for A9s and A10s but switches to DRK for the A11s and A12s.

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Yes, yes. Melee DPS also have such features. Monk can be usefull in the fights with strong HPS check (mantra), Ninja+Dragoon can be used, where need a good common DPS. That is why melee-DPS players must have an opportunity to switch between classes like tanks and healers do

So you want to completely change the lore of all 3 melee by having them use the same gear?

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Originally Posted by Chubby13

So you want to completely change the lore of all 3 melee by having them use the same gear?

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You dont see any problems with the lore of tanks, healers or ranged DPS. Only with the lore of melee? This is so funny)

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Originally Posted by Dzian

this would be nice. especially considering the glamour restrictions of only being able to glamour something once. glamor my shire gear for my paladin and if I play warrior. I'm stuck looking horrendous.

the other thinkg is being shared they never really fit any of the roles properly. the shire gear again is an example of this. the custodisans armor doesn't really fit any of the tanks thematically imo. so yeah more job specific gear would be great as hopefully it would better fit with the jobs

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I'd really like to see glamour handled better. FFXIV's system for that feels super primitive compared to other MMOs.

I have a theory about this. I dont think it has to do with lore at all, more to do with efficiency.

I think in the beginning the intent was that every dps class had their own style of gear, only healers and tanks shared their stuff. then they started adding more dps classes and, to save time and space, started sharing sets between jobs to make things easier.

The original dps lineup was mnk, drg, brd and blm, each with their own unique gear set.

Smn was added fairly late into development. It was a job voted for by fans, so im guessing that as a quick fix they made them use the same gear as blm. Might explain why it's the only job that shares a class with sch too.

Nin was introduced in a later patch. If I remember correctly a lot of their gear was just mnk stuff with DEX added to it (ie the Fuma set from LotA) until ninjas started getting their own set.

Finally they add mch, which is a ranged dps that uses DEX. It would make sense just to share this with brd.

Who knows, they may add more dps jobs that share gear sets with the melee jobs. I could totally see samurai sharing with drg, dancer sharing with ninja and... Uh... Puppet master sharing with mnk? A lalafell can dream.

Drg have higher vitality and more defense so they can't share gear with monks and ninjas use dex. the only reason ninjas and monks shared some gear was due to ninja being released in an even patch and was done in a hurry.

As well Dragoons tend to atleast LOOK like they have actual armor in past FF games compared to other roles like Monk and Ninja. To my understanding if Samurai is added as a DPS it would also share gear with Dragoon due to similar reasons.

To be honest i always want to wear tank armor on my drg, it look so "armory" compare to drg, but i cant play tank

SE please make glamour is not restricted to your class T_T

Stat specs on those classes need to be different in order for most players to optimize. It's annoying having shared gear on healers. Sch looooves crit but sure as hell doesn't need spell speed. The downside of having so much content is you might have to focus on gearing up your favorite job.

DRG armor is the coolest looking armor in the game. Don't take that from me!!!