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    Common melee-DPS gear. (QoL)

    Good day

    Did anyone ask himself- why tanks, healers, Ranged DPS (magic and physic) have a common gear and melee DPS- not? All this classes dont need to grind 2-3 sets of gear, all they need- to get the weapon and BAM- you play for another class (if leveled, of course). But melee DPS need to grind sets for each class- Dragoon, Monk, Ninja. IS IT FAIR? Why we have such a discrimination?

    In the game we already have a lot of gear, which have both DEX and STR parameters (Darklight for example). So why another gear wasnt created in a same way?

    Dear lovely SE^^, please, make a change, fix this unfair thing. Make all Melee DPS gear common. Thank you

    P.S.
    To those, who can say "the design must be different for Dragoon, Monk and Ninja". No, it can be common like it is right now for tanks, healers and ranged DPS
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    It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different. Think about it.. NIN and DRG running around in the same gear would be bizarre.

    Actually I'd like the shared gear to be split up too. I don't like always having another healer to roll against whenever I'm healing 8-man content. Keep accessories shared, but left-side gear should all be class-specific imo.
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    for dragoons the reason they're split is because they have higher DEF (not sure if it's still the case now) for monk and ninja, they used to share stuff so i think they can atleast share again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astyrah View Post
    for dragoons the reason they're split is because they have higher DEF (not sure if it's still the case now) for monk and ninja, they used to share stuff so i think they can atleast share again
    Are there any reasons for dragoons to have a higher DEF? No, they are not tanks, the are common Mellee DPS. So, I think, that this problem can be solved or by cutting down this def bonus or by making some defense bonus for these common gear- it will be not so big as in Dragoon gear, but not so little like Monks or Ninjas have
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    lol i understand your concern but for lore reasons (maybe? since 1.0ish? someone pls correct me if im wrong) that dragoons were made the tanky melee, they have higher DEF at the cost of slightly lower MDEF compared to monks who were given average def/mdef armor. and it's been this way for as long as i can remember so i doubt SE will touch it.

    edit: also if ever (if ever!) samurai would be introduced as DPS, i can probably see them going the way of NIN/MNK with SAM armor initially sharing maiming dungeon (not AF/etc.) gear with DRG since they're both tanky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyno View Post
    Good day

    Did anyone ask himself- why tanks, healers, Ranged DPS (magic and physic) have a common gear and melee DPS- not? All this classes dont need to grind 2-3 sets of gear, all they need- to get the weapon and BAM- you play for another class (if leveled, of course). But melee DPS need to grind sets for each class- Dragoon, Monk, Ninja. IS IT FAIR? Why we have such a discrimination?

    In the game we already have a lot of gear, which have both DEX and STR parameters (Darklight for example). So why another gear wasnt created in a same way?

    Dear lovely SE^^, please, make a change, fix this unfair thing. Make all Melee DPS gear common. Thank you

    P.S.
    To those, who can say "the design must be different for Dragoon, Monk and Ninja". No, it can be common like it is right now for tanks, healers and ranged DPS
    So you want even less variation of gear in the game? I'd rather more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genaxx View Post
    So you want even less variation of gear in the game? I'd rather more.
    Id rather FAIR play. If other classes have common gear (have a joy of switching anytime they want and playing without the nesassaty to grind another set), I, playing by monk, want to have the same JOY. I dont want to waste a lot of time for grind another set, I can spend my time in other way. I like to play by melee DPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyno View Post
    Id rather FAIR play. If other classes have common gear (have a joy of switching anytime they want and playing without the nesassaty to grind another set), I, playing by monk, want to have the same JOY. I dont want to waste a lot of time for grind another set, I can spend my time in other way. I like to play by melee DPS
    But it is fair play? you can play as any job you like, you can get any gear you like. Your only limiting yourself by not playing jobs that share gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different.
    Monk and Ninja pretty much use the same style - Their sets are usually recolors of each other. And when that is not the case, they share an aesthetic with another job, which goes against this point as well.

    Ironically, Dragoon and Tanks tend to have very close aesthetics these days.

    That said...I'd also rather have more shared gear than less. For one, because it means the appearance is shared as well and I can use it for glamour on either job, for another, because gearing up is highly gated, which makes it hard to keep multiple jobs up to date. Bonus points for less bloated loot tables and loot dropping to the ground. Not that I'm in favor of loot "drops" in the first place due to their competitive nature... >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    It's because the style of armor those three classes wear is different. Think about it.. NIN and DRG running around in the same gear would be bizarre.

    Actually I'd like the shared gear to be split up too. I don't like always having another healer to roll against whenever I'm healing 8-man content. Keep accessories shared, but left-side gear should all be class-specific imo.
    this would be nice. especially considering the glamour restrictions of only being able to glamour something once. glamor my shire gear for my paladin and if I play warrior. I'm stuck looking horrendous.

    the other thinkg is being shared they never really fit any of the roles properly. the shire gear again is an example of this. the custodisans armor doesn't really fit any of the tanks thematically imo. so yeah more job specific gear would be great as hopefully it would better fit with the jobs
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