DEV REQUEST (again): The Emperor's New Shield

Yes, yes, I know, its been asked for before.... Its not realistic (though blocking the punch of Titan with it is ok for some reason).... It'll never happen.... More important things to fix.... on and on and on. Yes I know.


Now with that out of the way let me get to my point. As has been stated lately DEVs listen to upvotes. I was hopeful to get upvotes of this post if you too want to hide your often times ugly shield. I mean come on, with the power behind some of the mobs we face, surely a shield or your armored gauntlet make little difference. I love shields, I really do, but sometimes, some glams would look better with out the board.

So what do you think? You wanna be an even bigger fantasy knight? Think I'm stupid for asking? Do you think the cash shop is bad? Nevermind that last one.

Do remember to LIKE this post if you want this. As I said the DEVs have stated they take note of LIKEs so click that button and maybe we will get lucky. Hell maybe we will anyway, that GARO vid had no shields.... ah, wishful thinking, so warm, so comfortable.


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From the Garo Live Letter

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The more achievements you get from PvP, the more rewards you can get from it. The rewards can be obtained in two stages 1. Gold Saucer - Equipments undyable 2. PvP -Dyeable Apparently shield can be glamoured with Emperor's New Shield so that the shield will disappear It's one of the future QoL feature. Another video. It's probably a repeat from before. Release date of the collaboration event: January 17th Same day as the release date of Patch 3.5 Fujita-san promoting his next actor work Zero, who is going to be aired next month Another guest coming in. The gold armor - PLD, Garo The silver armor - NIN, Zero The next video is a trailer for Fujita's next work, Zero Ending note for PLL Speech from Fujita Rei Speech from Keita Amemiya Closing note from Yoshida Here closes the 34th PLL, thank you for watching.

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"liking" the post is of course, an entirely one-sided conversation. which means gauging something on likes is probably the worst way to do anything because it isn't able to gauge dislike for an idea.

yes to more bucklers, no to invisible shields. if you can't make glamours work that's your creativity failing, not the game's fault. if you want a sword job that doesn't use a shield, wait for something that isn't Paladin.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

"liking" the post is of course, an entirely one-sided conversation. which means gauging something on likes is probably the worst way to do anything because it isn't able to gauge dislike for an idea.

yes to more bucklers, no to invisible shields. if you can't make glamours work that's your creativity failing, not the game's fault. if you want a sword job that doesn't use a shield, wait for something that isn't Paladin.

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I agree with you whole heartedly it is a bad way to communicate my desire, but this is the documented way by which the attention can be gotten by the DEVs. I am currently at work so I cannot look up citations of where it was said but in a nutshell they take note of LIKEs and reply counts. So as an advocate of this addition I have little recourse but to frame it like this.

As I said at the bottom in a joking matter, feel free to debate the merits or lack their of below. I apologize for the limited scope of the thread, but this is something I would really like added to the game and don't have any other real way to express it.

To your point I wish the forums has a thumbs up/down option like youtube sports.

How would you feel if Sword Oath switched your character to a double-hand stance with their shield on their back?

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Originally Posted by GMERC

How would you feel if Sword Oath switched your character to a double-hand stance with their shield on their back?

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That would be interesting actually.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

How would you feel if Sword Oath switched your character to a double-hand stance with their shield on their back?

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ooo, cool idea. I'd like it.

I suppose the expectance of this request lays solely on where your suspension of reality lies.

For some there is the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" mentality. Like the gent in the first reply shows. An automatic dislike of the idea due to a desire for clear boundaries, not a bad thing in and of itself.

Another group in in actuality based on realism, with some claiming tanks in no robes and shields as a must due to the physical damage they are seen to take. Doing so without a barrier of metal disrupts their immersion.

The other sub group is where I am, that no shield, no matter how strong, no armor no mater how strong, would take what we see taken, so my immersion was dusted a ways back and I have excepted it and now just want to look esthetically pleasing to myself.

All three types are valid in their arguments.

The shield on the back sounds fun, but for me I would like at least a command that hides the shield, the way the Summoners will soon change their Egi, or at most an EN item to completely hide it as the Monks got for their claws. That is my hope.

You may be in luck actually because during the panel talking about the Garo collaboration I do believe Yoshida mentioned there would indeed be an Emperor's New Shield implemented.

Edit: Pulled this from the Reddit/Discord translation from the event:

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Apparently shield can be glamoured with Emperor's New Shield so that the shield will disappear

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So, take that as you will.

I think this would be more trouble than its worth having to redesign animations so PLD doesnt look silly without a shield.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

You may be in luck actually because during the panel talking about the Garo collaboration I do believe Yoshida mentioned there would indeed be an Emperor's New Shield implemented.

Edit: Pulled this from the Reddit/Discord translation from the event:


So, take that as you will.

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Really? I got thinking about this again because the vid for that event had no shield and I thought.... "Wouldn't it be nice if..."

Do you have a link to the translations?

...People need to learn to take a "No" from the dev-team once in a while. They have explained several times that it isnt gonna happen and WHY it isnt gonna happen. You have small shield options you can glamour. Go on and dream, but realise that you might not dream the same dream the art/dev-team is dreaming.
Maybe I'm alone with this option but I consider a game a piece of art aswell and in this case they made it clear that its also a design-choice NOT to give us an invisible shield and we should respect that - they explained it, they said "no", stop crying and begging and let them have their "freedom of art".

Want a tank without a shield but with a sword? Play DRK.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...People need to learn to take a "No" from the dev-team once in a while. They have explained several times that it isnt gonna happen and WHY it isnt gonna happen. You have small shield options you can glamour. Go on and dream, but realise that you might not dream the same dream the art/dev-team is dreaming.
Maybe I'm alone with this option but I consider a game a piece of art aswell and in this case they made it clear that its also a design-choice NOT to give us an invisible shield and we should respect that - they explained it, they said "no", stop crying and begging and let them have their "freedom of art".

Want a tank without a shield but with a sword? Play DRK.

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And we have freedom of speech, get over it SE Dev groupie. -_-

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

And we have freedom of speech, get over it SE Dev groupie. -_-

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Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction. not the ability to say whatever you want on a business' forum lol.

I can actually see the aesthetic benefit in an invisible shield that deflects in the same way as they do currently. The shield is still there, just invisible. We have invisible everything else (except most weapons) which is classed as acceptable but an invisible shield is frowned upon. We are in a realm of magic & myth, it is actually strange that a magical invisible shield *doesn't* exist in the lore.

I'd agree but only cus it is actually still there, just a see through coat is on the shield.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction. not the ability to say whatever you want on a business' forum lol.

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I wasn't talking about the law, but the freedom to speak aloud and post said opinions on forums. Am I wrong on that lol?

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

I can actually see the aesthetic benefit in an invisible shield that deflects in the same way as they do currently. The shield is still there, just invisible. We have invisible everything else (except most weapons) which is classed as acceptable but an invisible shield is frowned upon. We are in a realm of magic & myth, it is actually strange that a magical invisible shield *doesn't* exist in the lore.

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Where're my invisible WHM, BLM, SMN, SCH, and AST weapons?

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

I wasn't talking about the law, but the freedom to speak aloud and post said opinions on forums. Am I wrong on that lol?

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Well, I never forbid you to speak or censored anything you said? I just voiced my opinion aswell which is that we could let the devs be devs for once and dont ask again and again about stuff they already made a choice on and even explained this choice. Thats like asking your parents for a dog again and again after they explained to you they cant have one because your mom is allergic.

Well actually freedom of speech isn't allowed in a private institutions zone of ownership. Free speech laws don't apply to Square Enix forums

I think the problem with the emperor's new shield has always been an issue with the animations looking really strange without the shield. Block, Shield Lob, etc. Take of the shield and it looks kind of dumb.

This is why I think they have said no in the passed. Creating new animations takes time and they don't want to offer something that looks bad because inevitably someone will say, "Its great I can hide my shield but my animations look dumb. Please fix SE".

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think the problem with the emperor's new shield has always been an issue with the animations looking really strange without the shield. Block, Shield Lob, etc. Take of the shield and it looks kind of dumb.

This is why I think they have said no in the passed. Creating new animations takes time and they don't want to offer something that looks bad because inevitably someone will say, "Its great I can hide my shield but my animations look dumb. Please fix SE".

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How about just using a Shield is as integral to Paladin is using a Sword? Do you think they should have an invisible Sword too?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...People need to learn to take a "No" from the dev-team once in a while.....

....Want a tank without a shield but with a sword? Play DRK.

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If I remember right, they said no to EN Claws for a long time, then relented when demand on the forums reached a certain level.

And I do play DRK also, doesn't change my request.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

How about just using a Shield is as integral to Paladin is using a Sword? Do you think they should have an invisible Sword too?

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That would look just as odd. PLD's animations used both.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

If I remember right, they said no to EN Claws for a long time, then relented when demand on the forums reached a certain level.

And I do play DRK also, doesn't change my request.

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They didn't have to adjust the animations for that. I also believe they said it might be possible to do EN fist weapons but it just took them a while to implement.

Can this thread be closed?

The answer to this thread has been answered already. It doesn't need reviving. It's a waste of front page space. Lock it and let it die.


It's not even up for discussion. The devs gave us a very valid and reasonable reaponse last time.

Lock it.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Can this thread be closed?

The answer to this thread has been answered already. It doesn't need reviving. It's a waste of front page space. Lock it and let it die.


It's not even up for discussion. The devs gave us a very valid and reasonable reaponse last time.

Lock it.

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Make sure you post that in every thread protesting the cash shop as they have already answered and the cash shop is here to stay.....

... Or wait, no, that isn't right. People have a right to express their opinions and wants without someone using the demeaning tactic of debate by dismissal of their request and a demand for their silence.

I think they did say that their thinking of making a very small buckler as a compromise, but that was while back and I've not seen any shield that's as small or smaller than a buckler since then

Maybe an Emperor's New Shield could be an ethereal shield instead of making it invisible. You do need to have something to block with as PLD, Titan could bloody break your arm in half if you didn't have a shield there.

Ethereal Shield glamour. It is made from concentrated aether for use by stalwart warriors in combat against otherworldly foes.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Maybe an Emperor's New Shield could be an ethereal shield instead of making it invisible. You do need to have something to block with as PLD, Titan could bloody break your arm in half if you didn't have a shield there.

Ethereal Shield glamour. It is made from concentrated aether for use by stalwart warriors in combat against otherworldly foes.

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Isn't that the Padjal weapons? If not, I'd be so down for that, for ALL classes except Pugilist/Monk.

EDIT: Stuff it, different idea. Semi-translucent weapons (so you can see there's something there but can see right through it). Do that for everything except Monk, make it available from Tararu or whatever the fella is in Mor Dhona where you get the EN gear from. Sorted.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Isn't that the Padjal weapons? If not, I'd be so down for that, for ALL classes except Pugilist/Monk

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I was thinking of more ephemeral shield. In Heroes of the Storm, you get spell shield and it's just like a faintly swirly bit of colour over your character. I was thinking of that, but in a shield form over your arm :p.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I was thinking of more ephemeral shield. In Heroes of the Storm, you get spell shield and it's just like a faintly swirly bit of colour over your character. I was thinking of that, but in a shield form over your arm :p.

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Would that come under the semi-translucent models idea I brought up, or is this again something different? I'm not sure if we're thinking along the same lines here or not.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Would that come under the semi-translucent models idea I brought up, or is this again something different? I'm not sure if we're thinking along the same lines here or not.

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It could be we are thinking of the same things but I just can't word it in a way that makes sense XD. I'm having trouble thinking of how to describe ethereal/ephemeral items XD.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Can this thread be closed?

The answer to this thread has been answered already. It doesn't need reviving. It's a waste of front page space. Lock it and let it die.


It's not even up for discussion. The devs gave us a very valid and reasonable reaponse last time.

Lock it.

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Alexander states the truth, SE already put the matter to rest a while ago in a similar thread:

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

We don't have any plans to make all weapon types transparent; however, for monks, we are planning to release something once we look more into the concept of fighting with their own fists.
From a World setting and story perspective, not having a visible shield would mean that you couldn't use shield bash or shield lob, and as such we have no plans to introduce an "Emperor's New Shield." However, we may be able to make a small shield so that it doesn't stand out too much, so we will look into that.

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So basically, they stated why this would not be possible and that a small buckler type shield will be a compromise.

Besides, if you really must role play a swordsman who doesn't wield a shield, simply unequip the shield when roleplaying and equip it when entering dungeons or stuff. Or switch to DRK. Because PLD is pretty much identified as a shield user (why else is the very Job icon a shield?), and making the shield invisible would contradict that.

You want a Sword without a shield... They make you DARK KNIGHT.

you don't want to party with a shield.. don't..

I'm pretty sure this was brought to Yoshi-P's table in an interview once before, and he gave a flat out 'no' because it would've strayed away from what a paladin was supposed to be, or something.
I dunno. Yoshida logic is lost on me most of the time.

To the people saying to play DRK: What if I want to be a holy knight and not an edge lord?

To people saying to wait for a sword class that isn't PLD: Like what, SAM? Can't be a European Knight themed character as a super sugoi samurai now can I. Or a little fencing sword using RDM for that matter. Or curved desert swords using BLU.

So unless Rune Fencer/Mystic Knight is added as a European style hand-and-a-half sword using (Rune Swords) job as the last 4.0 job I'm a bit out of luck now aren't I. Unless, that is, SE adds an Emperor's New Shield.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

I'm pretty sure this was brought to Yoshi-P's table in an interview once before, and he gave a flat out 'no' because it would've strayed away from what a paladin was supposed to be, or something.
I dunno. Yoshida logic is lost on me most of the time.

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The logic is that Paladin's job icon isn't a picture of a sword.

Thanks to the guy in game that hit me with this. Future QoL update...

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The more achievements you get from PvP, the more rewards you can get from it. The rewards can be obtained in two stages 1. Gold Saucer - Equipments undyable 2. PvP -Dyeable Apparently shield can be glamoured with Emperor's New Shield so that the shield will disappear It's one of the future QoL feature. Another video. It's probably a repeat from before. Release date of the collaboration event: January 17th Same day as the release date of Patch 3.5 Fujita-san promoting his next actor work Zero, who is going to be aired next month Another guest coming in. The gold armor - PLD, Garo The silver armor - NIN, Zero The next video is a trailer for Fujita's next work, Zero Ending note for PLL Speech from Fujita Rei Speech from Keita Amemiya Closing note from Yoshida Here closes the 34th PLL, thank you for watching.

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From the Garo LL! \o/ Score 1 for FUN! Thanks DEVs, I wait with baited breath.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

Thanks to the guy in game that hit me with this. Future QoL update...



From the Garo LL! \o/ Score 1 for FUN! Thanks DEVs, I wait with baited breath.

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Unfortunate that they finally gave in to the whiners.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

What do you mean? Did they give you something?

I left that to be honest, but I apologize and regret writing that truly. Sometimes my wit gets ahead of my mind. Just because you are irritated and made me feel disrespected, doesn't give me the right to be disrespectful back. Apologies.

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edit: I wouldn't have held it against you, as a snark elemental myself.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

Unfortunate that they finally gave in to the whiners.

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What do you mean? Did they give you something?

I left that to be honest, but I apologize and regret writing that truly. Sometimes my wit gets ahead of my mind. Just because you are irritated and made me feel disrespected, doesn't give me the right to be disrespectful back. Apologies.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

edit: I wouldn't have held it against you, as a snark elemental myself.

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Good to know. I'll admit your point, I will look stupid throwing an invisible shield but I'll look pretty cool with that one-hander. I grew up on He-Man and the like (80's kid) and yeah I know the DRK has no shield, but the size of those blades disrupts my immersion as much as a WonderWoman shield (invisible.... get it?) will bother other's. So agree to disagree?

Turn off the shield? That'd be perfect for the gold Garo armor.