If 2nd job Blue Mage what weapon/role

As the title says if indeed Blue Mage is our second job due to yoshi-p Spider-Man shirt. What role/weapon do you suppose it might be?

My theories:
Role - Tank (Because they get hit by monsters/and the tank icon is blue)
Weapon - Some type of blunt weapon (warclubs) and on the side hand glyphs.

yay another BLU thread..

BLU has to be a DPS imo, dualwield swords like the typical BLU in XI.

I'd go with DPS too, and saber.
tanks aren't very strong, so learning gimped attacks would be kind of anti-climactic.
also you can't get hit by healing/tanking skills...so you couldn't learn them...problematic :)
so you'd have to learn blue magic through job quests or observation which doesn't require you to tank.
also i can't think of any interesting healing/tank skills available in-game, atm, aside from maybe some raid mechanics, but i doubt you'll be able to learn those, because the game caters to casual players, and they would flip if they had to do raid content to learn skills.

Another useless BLU thread so I'll just quote myself once again

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Blue mage won't be added stop thinking it. On the remembering 2015 Yoshida only talked about Red Mage and Samurai.
That was an error from the english team. This dialogue was wrong and invented by the english team. The japanese one didn't have it, neither the Deutsch and French who directly translated from japanese. It is already known that the english translators are having some liberties on their translation, and they probably joke on the blue because they didn't took Yoshida's dialogue seriously when reading it.

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If you think about what Yoshi-P said in a recent Fumitsu interview, they are going back to FF iconic jobs. Blue Mage is slightly, slightly, more iconic than Samurai, and by that I mean it has more incarnations in the series over Samurai. Personally I'd prefer Blue Mage over Samurai, if we only get 2 jobs; if we get 3 I'm for either.

Duel wield sword or a wand and shield like the last few BLU have wielded.

Im guessing tank with a great katana. I don't know why but I get thw feeling Sam will be like Bard, two classes merged to fit the mold of XIV.

SAM + BLU = FFXIV Samurai

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I'd go with DPS too, and saber.
tanks aren't very strong, so learning gimped attacks would be kind of anti-climactic.
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500 Potency skill with 75% total damage buff isn't very strong?

I don't know much about Blue Mage but if they apparently need to get hit by skills to learn them then... Wouldn't tank be the most natural role for this?

I would say either a rod or saber since those seem to be the most traditional BLU weapons looking at their history between the main series and Tactics series.

Thing I wonder is we do have saber looking weapons on GLA/PLD already and RDM is coming in with a fencing rapier. If BLU came with some kind of sword, it would need to be very unique or some strange twist that separates itself from PLD and RDM.

Pretty much the same with the rod. Since both WHM and BLM use rods/staves also.

Maybe they can do a completely new weapon and make their own interpretation of BLU.

All of these work out for me, as long as they are done well.

Saber I believe is the most iconic but i would enjoy it being a Club/Mace as there's already 3 types of sword-jobs (RDM included).
All i want is to learn Tableflip and go flippin the birds on Titan!

BLU tank with a mace or hammer. Some kind of blunt pulverising weapon is the best I can think of; we don't have many options left for weapon types.

I'll just leave this here...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Exist-in-FFXIV

SE do not always follow what they say so blumage is possible to be introduced. Perhaps not 4.0 but 5.0
I would be fine with it being either Dps or tank, though tank would be... interesting i suppose

BLU will be a tank wielding gauntlets.
They'll be able to absorb aether from enemies and gain abilities during combat.
With so many abilities they'll probably cut the amount down by classifying each enemie by its place in the animal kingdom. So serpent type, humanoid, etc...

if red magic can be it's own unique thing so can blue.

BLU tank with a double scythe or a scythe with a chain.

I say this half jokingly, but Blue Mage will be DPS that wields a whip.

http://pre04.deviantart.net/8406/th/...ss-d98hi5p.jpg

In all seriousness though, I would like to see the Whip weapon utilized in this game. I think it would be a very unique and awesome weapon that can have quite a few different weapons styles like a chain spike ball weapon. I think Dancer would be the most fitting class to use a whip, however.

As far as BLU being a tank, I don't think it's necessary and like many others said would take away from the job class a little bit because they would force it into using mostly enimity generating and protective abilities which is contrary to the job class which uses an array of abilities that overlap all three of the healer, dps, and tank roles.

I think what they can simply do, instead of needing to be hit by a monster in order to get the ability is just make a Blue Magic Hunting Log in which gives you a list of hundreds of spells and give you a requirement as to how to unlock it.

For example, if you want to get Spider Web, you need to go kill 20 spiders in some area. Some spells can also be part of a quest inititated within the hunting log and then others from the job questline itself. There're many ways they can go about how blue mage can unlock spells in this game.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I'd go with DPS too, and saber.
tanks aren't very strong, so learning gimped attacks would be kind of anti-climactic.
also you can't get hit by healing/tanking skills...so you couldn't learn them...problematic :)
so you'd have to learn blue magic through job quests or observation which doesn't require you to tank.
also i can't think of any interesting healing/tank skills available in-game, atm, aside from maybe some raid mechanics, but i doubt you'll be able to learn those, because the game caters to casual players, and they would flip if they had to do raid content to learn skills.

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You just showed everyone how little you know about Tanks

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I'd go with DPS too, and saber.
tanks aren't very strong, so learning gimped attacks would be kind of anti-climactic.
also you can't get hit by healing/tanking skills...so you couldn't learn them...problematic :)
so you'd have to learn blue magic through job quests or observation which doesn't require you to tank.
also i can't think of any interesting healing/tank skills available in-game, atm, aside from maybe some raid mechanics, but i doubt you'll be able to learn those, because the game caters to casual players, and they would flip if they had to do raid content to learn skills.

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What about the all might Fell Cleave tho :p

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Originally Posted by LionFury1

As far as BLU being a tank, I don't think it's necessary and like many others said would take away from the job class a little bit because they would force it into using mostly enimity generating and protective abilities which is contrary to the job class which uses an array of abilities that overlap all three of the healer, dps, and tank roles.

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Tank would actually be the best role for this as they have access to DPS abilities (Berserk, Fight or Flight, Fell Cleave, etc.), tank abilities, and healing abilities (Bloodbath, Inner Beast, Clemency, Soul Eater, etc). Personally I think BLU could work as any of the 3 roles but would prefer it as a tank if it has a weapon that isn't a sword, since we could use some variety in weapon choice for tanks. Would still be fine if they made it a DPS or a healer, though.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

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500 Potency skill with 75% total damage buff isn't very strong?

I don't know much about Blue Mage but if they apparently need to get hit by skills to learn them then... Wouldn't tank be the most natural role for this?

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still you can only match dps with the worst damage dealers, because tanks have low damage multipliers. so yes tanks aren't very strong. you have 1 skill that's 500potency, that doesn't mean tanks are strong, the rest of your skills are weak.
ya and that's the problem, you can't get hit by tank/healer skills, cause they don't target you, so...you can only learn damage skills then...fail.

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Originally Posted by FallenHero

You just showed everyone how little you know about Tanks

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care to explain how?

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Originally Posted by Axxion

What about the all might Fell Cleave tho :p

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goring blade has 600+ in total, so meh :)

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Originally Posted by Radacci

still you can only match dps with the worst damage dealers, because tanks have low damage multipliers. so yes tanks aren't very strong. you have 1 skill that's 500potency, that doesn't mean tanks are strong, the rest of your skills are weak.
ya and that's the problem, you can't get hit by tank/healer skills, cause they don't target you, so...you can only learn damage skills then...fail.



care to explain how?



goring blade has 600+ in total, so meh :)

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624 for goring blade :p i like my chainsaws

On the topic of whips and Blue Mages... if RDM can go full on Bloodborne, I say so can BLU.

http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.co...eaded_cane.jpg
Image behind a link because blood, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xBhsnJ6BA

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Originally Posted by Axxion

624 for goring blade :p i like my chainsaws

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actually i think it's 640, and then royal authority which is 350 - spirits within 300, so PLD actually has stronger set of skills than WAR ^^

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Originally Posted by Radacci

actually i think it's 640, and then royal authority which is 350 - spirits within 300, so PLD actually has stronger set of skills than WAR ^^

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but dark arts tho :p

Blue Mages have used spears, guns, fans, and sabers. Its open.

Anything but a mace/club, please. So brutish and ugly.

I really want a Sword Whip kinda thing for Blue Mage.

Ivy Soul Calibur series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMikSMPtJ_M

https://media.giphy.com/media/nysO1hcS2U8A8/giphy.gif

http://pa1.narvii.com/6066/e9e767952...3b638cf_hq.gif

https://38.media.tumblr.com/cd9917e9...3w54o1_500.gif

Though the idea of dual swords for BLU is appealing...
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads...vza5o1_500.gif

https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...l00so2_400.gif

https://puu.sh/sG69I/6e9a9763cd.jpg

I think we're fine.

You don't need to be doing MNK DPS to be considered 'strong'.

See where MNK is right now in the meta.

You can still have high potency on your moves but not deal the damage as consistently as DPS classes but still be considered 'strong'.

See War/Drk.

As far as thematic goes, BLU as a tank can still have this "high impact" damage(See Fell Cleave, Carve and Spit, Goring Blade) and still be balanced as a tank. It's just numbers in the end.

Just because DPS classes do more DPS than tanks does not make them 'stronger'.

See PVP/Duel.

Believe it or not, but tanks have more damage moves then they do defensives or enmity control. So this notion that BLU would only learn defense moves or enmity generation moves shows what little people know about tanks.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I really want a Sword Whip kinda thing for Blue Mage.

Ivy Soul Calibur series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMikSMPtJ_M

https://media.giphy.com/media/nysO1hcS2U8A8/giphy.gif

http://pa1.narvii.com/6066/e9e767952...3b638cf_hq.gif

https://38.media.tumblr.com/cd9917e9...3w54o1_500.gif

Though the idea of dual swords for BLU is appealing...
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads...vza5o1_500.gif

https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...l00so2_400.gif

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Haha I was thinking about Ivy's weapon being a cool weapon type too for Blue Mage.

Just because BLU needs to be hit to learn spells doesn't mean it's going to be a tank, that's just silly. One, once BLU learns a spell it knows it forever it's not like classical Geomancer blue spells are static. Two, SE is not going to make players get hit by attacks on purpose in the middle of group content.... that would be a nightmare. BLU is gonna learn it's spells though job quests or though a gimick like ninjitsu or cards, they can be w/e role.

Give the blue mage a katana.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

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those numbers don't say much, except that tank is doing little more than half the dps of a monk.
ofc tank can do good numbers when you have help from nin/drg/mch/ast, vit food+pots, and whatever else boosts your damage output, and killing stuff quickly, before dps numbers drop to much.
ofc tanks need some damage capacity, or they would be useless as OT.
i don't think anyone is suggesting that BLU tank would learn only def skills.
currently tanks have 1 high impact atk, each, that doesn't make them strong jobs....you're tank, so you shouldn't even be strong, or you'd be OP as F*** and there'd be no reason to play as DPS jobs.
as you said, you're fine; no more, no less.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Another useless BLU thread so I'll just quote myself once again

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Blue mage won't be added stop thinking it. On the remembering 2015 Yoshida only talked about Red Mage and Samurai.
That was an error from the english team. This dialogue was wrong and invented by the english team. The japanese one didn't have it, neither the Deutsch and French who directly translated from japanese. It is already known that the english translators are having some liberties on their translation, and they probably joke on the blue because they didn't took Yoshida's dialogue seriously when reading it.

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You never know, though its unlikely they add it. But i wouldn't go as far as saying they wont add it until SE actually made a announcement saying they will not add BLU

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Originally Posted by Radacci

those numbers don't say much, except that tank is doing little more than half the dps of a monk.
ofc tank can do good numbers when you have help from nin/drg/mch/ast, vit food+pots, and whatever else boosts your damage output, and killing stuff quickly, before dps numbers drop to much.
ofc tanks need some damage capacity, or they would be useless as OT.
i don't think anyone is suggesting that BLU tank would learn only def skills.
currently tanks have 1 high impact atk, each, that doesn't make them strong jobs....you're tank, so you shouldn't even be strong, or you'd be OP as F*** and there'd be no reason to play as DPS jobs.
as you said, you're fine; no more, no less.

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You make it sound like tanks are insufficient or "weaK" when they're clearly not. How is the tank role insufficient for BLU then? If you want high potency you can have it. You can still have spectacularly "powerful attacks" without needing high DPS.

As far as I can tell, if it ever were to be implemented, it might be an interesting addition as the "caster" tank people seem to somewhat desire. As well as it's job icon being blue because OCD.

Or do you really just want the class to be DPS for the sake of it?

Just for the sake of clarity, that's not a mnk, that's a SMN padding. And every single physical benefits from nin/drg/mch/ast, so the tank being catered to is moot.

Tanks are capable of outputting up to 60-75% of a "true dps". I wouldn't call that weak considering they have twice the durability to make up for the gap.

role: healer
can only learn healing spells and support skills from enemies

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

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i agreed with you that they are fine :)

I guess tank works for BLU, cause it's a hybrid job, that can do a bit of everything; if it was dps or healer, it wouldn't have any tanking capabilities, but as tank or dps, it only has self heal capabilities - either way it feels like you're butchering the job - it still feels a bit awkward to have it focused on being tank...doesn't feel like that's what BLU is about. whatever, personal opinions.

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Originally Posted by zandervont

Saber I believe is the most iconic but i would enjoy it being a Club/Mace as there's already 3 types of sword-jobs (RDM included).
All i want is to learn Tableflip and go flippin the birds on Titan!

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Saber could still work, so long as the sword doesn't have a detaching hilt. There also are technically only two sword classes now, both from different roles. Though ninja does constantly blur the lines with its weapon, they are still listed as daggers.

blue mage's classic weapon would be a curved sword. They also tended towards pretty good armor and shields as well

anyone that thinks you'll learn blue magic from anything but job quests is being delusional though, the game is far too structured to allow for that.

tank would probably be the most fitting role for them. their most iconic skills are the defensive ones like mighty guard and white wind
would also be easy to work it so the basic combos use the physical blue magics like goblin punch and blood suck, and the aoe and other effects could be the more magical ones like aqua breath
and plenty of things for tank cooldowns like metallic body and cocoon to choose from as well

it does seem infinitely more likely to see samurai though, that class has been hinted at for years it feels like
also the fact that blue mage gear was added as a glamour seems like an ill omen

What I'm fully expecting is twin blades, curved in nature, and DPS role. I would prefer the weapon to be Whip, and would love for it to be tank.

I'm also going on a huge limb here and going to assume the "monster" abilities won't be things like Couerls or Maroboros, but creatures from the void. I feel like it would give them the most creative freedom with abilities and allow them to go even further into the Void. At first I thought this might clash with DRK or BLM but they don't actually draw from the void for their own spells. (Might be wrong about BLM. Only have the Lore Book to go off of.)

the trouble with blu is the fact that a lot of the skill are generally status effect or special flavor skill, not exeptional.
and that where it pose a trouble, what monster skill outside bad breath will you give to the blue mage from the enemy around? without forget that most effect are simply ignored in dungeon and such. then what will be the point of the blu? what it will bring? don't get wrong i'm totally for add more jobs, the trouble is to bring something news, and interesting to play on the long run.

there i think they need to work more on the combat system for make the negative effect be revelant before release the blu. because i will repeat something i have said about summoner when people was asking a different type of summoner, change the effect, the SFX of a skill will not change what it is.
they did a good job to figure how make a redmage a different mage dps, we will have the direct dps with blm, the dot x pet with summoner and the melee x ranged hybrid with the red mage.

i think they need to wait a bit more and work on the game combat mechanic before think to add blue mage for make it something really interesting and news. because right now, most of the attack of the monster will have little to no interest as blue mage skill, since no effect will affect monster in dungeon and such. meaning the blue mage will have no point to be taken. i prefer they spend time to develop a really solid blue mage instead to simply be lazy and release something that will not be good or average.