I'm disappointed, why are we being punished for the cash shop?

Ever since they added seasonal events players who participated were able to buy several extra furnishings, store them in the FC chest and save them on an alt character, and the following big update after the event the item would be able to be sold in the market.

Before the seasonal event "Make it Rain", in a live letter people asked Yoshida for a way to obtain old seasonal furnishings, Yoshida said they would look into it.

Then starting the seasonal event Make it Rain, all newer seasonal furniture came with a new restriction: we cannot store our furniture in the FC chest to be stored on alts, the market restriction on seasonal furniture was never lifted.

This seemly odd restriction made sense a few months later, Square Enix started to reintroduce furnishings in the cash shop, so in order to prevent us from storing items we earned and in order to prevent other players to use gil to buy these items, they set these restrictions, likely so the only way to obtain them the next year will be the cash shop.

I'm very disappointed, at the very least they should have allowed us to store seasonal furnishing in the FC chest, why can't we stockpile on items we have earned? Why do we have to pay real money if we want another seasonal item that we already earned?

Seasonal event items generally have their market board restriction lifted after a few months/the next year. Not so sure about the FC chest thing, but it's certainly marketable after some time.

It has been 6 months since the Make it Rain items were released and they didn't lose the market restriction, in previous events the market restriction was lifted in the following patch after the event ended, not years, not many months, the following game update, we're well past that point so obviously this restriction is intentional, as it started happening at the same time as they removed the ability to store seasonals in the FC chest.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

at the same time as they removed the ability to store seasonals in the FC chest.

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I was fairly sure I put seasonal stuff into the FC chest all the time, so I actually went to check and there is no such restriction, I could without trouble add and remove all kinds of old and new seasonal items.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I was fairly sure I put seasonal stuff into the FC chest all the time, so I actually went to check and there is no such restriction, I could without trouble add and remove all kinds of old and new seasonal items.

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I'm talking about newer seasonal items starting Make it Rain, not old seasonal items.

Ever since they started adding furnishing to the mog station newer seasonal items were added without the ability to be stored in the FC chest.

Try to store a Senior Sabotender Trophy, Firefly Lamp, Pumpkin Stew, Rising Pillar, Rising Banner, or any of the 3 furniture added in this Starlight.

I'll agree, the restrictions are really annoying. If they made it so once its set to "binding" you it can be stored the FC chest, it could make the system a lot better.

Maybe there's a reason they have it as untradable for now, maybe they are planning to make it sellable in the future and it was a way to prevent people from stockpiling them to sell for later... but who knows.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I'm talking about newer seasonal items starting Make it Rain, not old seasonal items.

Ever since they started adding furnishing to the mog station newer seasonal items were added without the ability to be stored in the FC chest.

Try to store a Senior Sabotender Trophy, Firefly Lamp, Pumpkin Stew, Rising Pillar, Rising Banner, or any of the 3 furniture added in this Starlight.

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Makes sense: imagine if it's on the Mogstation and it's tradeable... get ready to trigger the forums because RMT is official.

So you're complaining because you can't sell a tree on the MB on for 12 million gil anymore, and now all players have a shot at items from events they may have missed? A true travesty.

Mog station items have their own item ID that makes them untreadeable without affecting furniture earned from events, so this change wasn't made to prevent RMT, they want to encourage people to buy from the cash shop instead of storing items they earned.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

So you're complaining because you can't sell a tree on the MB on for 12 million gil anymore, and now all players have a shot at items from events they may have missed? A true travesty.

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I'm complaining because I can't store the items I have earned, I don't mind that new players can buy furniture from the cash shop, but those of us who were here shouldn't be punished by removing our ability to store items on alts through the FC chest. Please don't be cynical, this thread isn't about adding items to the cash shop, it's about the restrictions imposed on newer items.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I'm complaining because I can't store the items I have earned, I don't mind that new players can buy furniture from the cash shop, but those of us who were here shouldn't be punished by removing our ability to store items on alts through the FC chest. Please don't be cynical.

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Calling running around for 30 seconds talking to NPCs "earned" is a bit of a stretch, but regardless, just do what everyone else does and store it on a retainer. FC chests weren't designed to be used as personal hoards in the first place,.

Retainer space is already very limited and I'm paying a standard sub for a reason, regardless if you think it's a stretch or not, this is how all events worked until now. there's no reason why it should change to affect us like this, this doesn't affect people who want to buy from the cash shop, only people who earned the items.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Retainer space is already very limited and I'm paying a standard sub for a reason, regardless if you think it's a stretch or not, this is how all events worked until now. there's no reason why it should change to affect us like this, this doesn't affect people who want to buy from the cash shop, only people who earned the items.

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Then put them on an alt retainer? 7 alts with 14 retainers = 98 tabs of space. Do the event on an alt, keep the items, and if you want the furniture to decorate at a later date, stick it in the FC house and pick it up. I don't understand why you'd need to stockpile so many if you weren't selling anyway.

The quest requires at least level 15. I don't understand why you oppose the request for them to revert it to what it was. Is this affecting you negatively in any way?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

The quest requires at least level 15. I don't understand why you oppose the request for them to revert it to what it was. Is this affecting you negatively in any way?

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You can get to 15 incredibly easily.

Not particularly, but I don't understand how this is affecting you negatively either, unless you were someone who made money off selling seasonal ornaments for absurd prices.

Getting 7 characters to 15 takes too many hours, it's easy but very very lengthy since you don't have armory bonus on your first character, nor access to PotD.

It's affecting me negatively because I can't store on my alts the items I earned, how is that hard to understand? And why do I have to convince you of this? If you aren't affected negatively by this why are you trying to roadblock this? I don't understand why the people of these forums are so obsessed with being contrarian in every single thread even if they admit it doesn't affect them, just move on and let those of us who care stay caring.

If you don't have any legitimate reason to oppose this then I'll just ignore your posts, I'm not interested in getting into a pointless argument.

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Then now might be the time to level them, because I doubt it will change.

I already explained why; I think this system is better, and I don't see how your desire to stockpile fifty snowdrifts for unknown reasons qualifies as an argument against it.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

So you're complaining because you can't sell a tree on the MB on for 12 million gil anymore, and now all players have a shot at items from events they may have missed? A true travesty.

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It's a valid complaint because SE is removing items from the in-game economy in order to charge real money for the content instead. It also coincidentally makes it harder to store your own seasonal items on an alt when they're out-of-season, meaning you now require more storage on your main character, which means more revenue for SE on extra retainer rentals.

And it's not like they couldn't make the items obtained in-game and the items purchased from the mogstation separate items with separate tradability rules; All the 'special' mogstation dyes have both tradable in-game and untradable mogstation versions, so clearly there isn't a technical issue preventing them from doing this. Though personally I wouldn't be entirely opposed to having them be the same and allowing the mogstation versions to be traded? I wouldn't be totally okay with it either, but I bet it would do more to hurt the illegitimate RMT market than anything SE has ever or will ever do.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Makes sense: imagine if it's on the Mogstation and it's tradeable... get ready to trigger the forums because RMT is official.

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I think the issue at hand is items purchased at the time of the event happening, they are not tradeable then, and now not tradeable after 6 months from the event's conclusion. Items can be traded via plopping them down in housing and picking them up on the other character, but cannot be traded via FC chest, while previous items were tradeable via FC chest.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I'm talking about newer seasonal items starting Make it Rain, not old seasonal items.

Ever since they started adding furnishing to the mog station newer seasonal items were added without the ability to be stored in the FC chest.

Try to store a Senior Sabotender Trophy, Firefly Lamp, Pumpkin Stew, Rising Pillar, Rising Banner, or any of the 3 furniture added in this Starlight.

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I just stored the current Starlight Snowdrift event item within the FC chest without any issue.
(Edit: not)

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

I just stored the current Starlight Snowdrift event item within the FC chest without any issue.

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Can you post a screenshot?

This is what it looks for me, the items are greyed out and give an error message if tried to put in the chest

http://i.imgur.com/qMTc9z6.png
http://i.imgur.com/fvBmE55.png

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Can you post a screenshot?

This is what it looks for me, the items are greyed out and give an error message if tried to put in the chest
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Oh you're right, I thought I did, but it is still in my inventory xD
My bad :O

Have you tried placing the decoration with your main and removing it with an alt?

EDIT: It works, by placing the decorations on a FC House, you can share it with any FC member, they just have to be able to remove it from the house (according the House Authorizations for their rank)

I'm not into housing. I also have enough retainer storage to satisfy my needs. So, my opinion on this is going to be from an outside perspective.

That said, I just wanted to say a few things.

A lot of event rewards cannot be traded or sold ever. That housing items apparently circumvented this restriction doesn't make sense to me. There needs to be more incentive in this game to sustain an active subscription and seasonal events are part of that incentive. Seasonal rewards should be exclusive and special and not something you can pawn on the MB for profits.

Personally, I'd prefer the rewards remain exclusive. I'm not of the mindset where I'm entitled to everything just because I can pay for it. But, if they're going to add the rewards to mogstation, it makes practical sense to do what they've done. If I wasn't subbed while some of these rewards were made available, I shouldn't get to have them without paying for them. It's simply not fair to the people who were subbed and supporting the development of said content. Being an FFXIV tycoon or buying gil from a 3rd party seller should not give me the same access as someone who was subbed and supporting SE. If I was subbed but didn't bother with the rewards, then I can't blame SE for that. As such, it makes sense to alter the system so that said items cannot be transferred from player to player free of cost.

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<snip>That housing items apparently circumvented this restriction doesn't make sense to me.

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My wild guess as for what it works currently that way, is that Furnishing items have no personal ownership server-data-wise once they've placed into a house.

So as of now, to prevent them from being "removable" by another FC member than the one who placed them, the Furnishing item would have to be tagged as "lost when removed" like some of the rare craftable decorations.
But unlike these rare craftable decorations, there is no way to obtain these seasonal and other event decorations in-game once you lost them.

So I think in this context, they chose the "less evil" of the 2 solutions: Allowing FC/Personal House owner to be flexible with their event decorations (for example decorating your house with Starlight stuff in december and removing them afterward until next year, and switch between decorative style alongst the year), even if that can potentially be used as a workaround to transfer event decorations between FC members.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Then now might be the time to level them, because I doubt it will change.

I already explained why; I think this system is better, and I don't see how your desire to stockpile fifty snowdrifts for unknown reasons qualifies as an argument against it.

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Eh there are reasons other then selling where you may want it. Maybe you want to in the future cover your whole entire yard with snow, therefor needing 40 (well unless they ever decide to raise the item limit). There are reasons to stockpile some items other then for selling purposes. I have about 40 of those Christmas lights from last year saved to use all around my FC's mansion. Sometimes you just want to get creative with a specific type of furnishing~ and you have to plan ahead and stockpile if you do with these holiday specific ones.

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

Eh there are reasons other then selling where you may want it.<snip>.

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Indeed, knowning that I will have no way to obtain these in-game later, I'm always torn between just getting strictly some I will use immediatly on the FC house or sacrificing storage because I may need them later when I will buy a personal house, or if I want to modify the decoration later and may require more of them.

Optimally, I would like these event decorations be only available to those who participated in the event, even enforcing the decoration so they are destroyed when removed (no sharing between FC member), but while still being purchasable from the Recompense Officer like the event gears.

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

still being purchasable from the Recompense Officer like the event gears.

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That specific part, I would love if they did that, even if they take extra measurements to make sure people don't trade, such as destroy when pick up.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That specific part, I would love if they did that, even if they take extra measurements to make sure people don't trade, such as destroy when pick up.

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Right, and then to ensure you have enough seasonal furniture for the next round you will need to stockpile even more quantity of the same item. So far it's been proven that SE will not add seasonal furniture to the recompense officer (because it will hurt their sales), so it you support the "destroy upon removal" for seasonal furniture idea then you're either not thinking this through or simply trolling.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Right, and then to ensure you have enough seasonal furniture for the next round you will need to stockpile even more quantity of the same item. So far it's been proven that SE will not add seasonal furniture to the recompense officer (because it will hurt their sales), so it you support the "destroy upon removal" for seasonal furniture idea then you're either not thinking this through or simply trolling.

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If it wasn't clear from my posts here, I do not support "destroy upon removal" with the current restrictions, I'm saying IF they were to add them to the recompense officer then destroy upon removal would be harmless, ONLY IF they do that, otherwise I would prefer if they revert to what it was before the Make it Rain event.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Makes sense: imagine if it's on the Mogstation and it's tradeable... get ready to trigger the forums because RMT is official.

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they can go the dreamset route: Give it another item ID, change the name a bit and make it untradeable while the older version is still tradeable

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Originally Posted by Felis

they can go the dreamset route: Give it another item ID, change the name a bit and make it untradeable while the older version is still tradeable

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They actually did that with all these items they added to the cash shop http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...291d96f3f2817d

They all have a different item ID.

Why not ask a FC member to keep it in his inventory while you log a mule ?

I'd be pleased if they added the furniture and what not to the recompense officer, like the clothing is. I fail to understand why this isn't an option when they're all obtained generally the same way.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Seasonal event items generally have their market board restriction lifted after a few months/the next year.

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Not anymore. Since they sell them in the mog station, all seasonal items are flagged as "personal" and even later you can't sell them.

Does anyone know at what point the event items become sell-able on the market board? Or is that something they've done away with now and just putting them in the cash shop next year?

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Does anyone know at what point the event items become sell-able on the market board? Or is that something they've done away with now and just putting them in the cash shop next year?

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It appears they're doing away with that to shift people towards making cash shop purchases.

I got a bunch of the thorne shelves and egg towers this past Hatchingtide and Little Lady's Day. They are tradeable and can be put on the MB, though they weren't when I first got them. So it must have been after those two events that things changed. But I got some of the pumpkin soup items during this year's halloween event, so we shall see after the next big patch if they change status.

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I got a bunch of the thorne shelves and egg towers this past Hatchingtide and Little Lady's Day. They are tradeable and can be put on the MB, though they weren't when I first got them. So it must have been after those two events that things changed. But I got some of the pumpkin soup items during this year's halloween event, so we shall see after the next big patch if they change status.

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I think Hatching Tide was the last event where they did this, so any event prior to that has its items freely tradeable, while any event after hatching tide (make it rain, moonfire faire, the rising, all saints wake, starlight) the furniture are set as untradeable.

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I'd be pleased if they added the furniture and what not to the recompense officer, like the clothing is. I fail to understand why this isn't an option when they're all obtained generally the same way.

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This. It would hate their sales.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

It appears they're doing away with that to shift people towards making cash shop purchases.

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So don't make it available to the recompense officer, make it destroy on pick up. I have an apartment but not really seeing the issue. SE are in the business to make money, and I think this would make them more money. Hell, even making them be automatically removed from the house after 3 months with the DoPU restriction in place, I think would net them a more consistent revenue stream (as people have to buy them every 3 months afterwards if they want to keep them). Dubious and shady business practice? Definitely. Would it hurt their sales? I don't think so.