Free Company tax?

There is a glut of Free Companies with 10 or fewer members, with nearly 350 of those having only one member (On Jenova alone!). Is there a system currently in place to clean up this mess? Perhaps we could have a recurring tax on credits each month?

RMT bots make gibberish named free companies. They'll always be able to afford the fees since they've got plenty of gil. Not sure if a tax would fix things.

Oops you said free company credits, not gil. Hmm can rmt bots earn those by doing what they do? If not then your plan could work.,

Is there any particular reason this bothers you? I mean really it doesn't affect you or your gameplay at all.....unless you're searching for a new FC, I guess.

So people are not allowed to have a guild of their own? I find that stupid.

Who are you to judge about others how big a guild has to be?

I'm content with my single person guild, I'm not looking for new members but if anyone asks, I would let them join.

So please take your judgement of how big a guild should be and throw it into the trash bin. Thanks.

Yes there should be a tax and the OP should be paying it for everyone. TYSM.

Of all the things that could affect the OP, this is not one of them. The number of FCs and the amount of people in them has absolutely zero bearing on anything at all. If anything, these tiny FCs have it harder already because they have to outsource all their Airship progress stuff, on top of piling more work on fewer members to accomplish the same tasks as larger FCs.

So....-why-?

That would only be one of those things that are supposed to help against RMT but are actually just annoying for everyone else. Sure you could pay that with a big fc, but they are not a thing for me, so I'm in a two-player fc. We don't even have a house we'd take away from anyone. And the RMT bot fcs tend to be pretty big, I'm sure they farm a lot of credits, just look at the ones making deliveries to the grand companies that just plop in and out every now and then. They could easily pay, while me and my friend would already have our problems keeping that up when we don't play actively.

I just saw you didn't even mention RMT guilds. If you just want everyone to be in a guild with 50 other people at least I have no words for you anyway...

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

There is a glut of Free Companies with 10 or fewer members, with nearly 350 of those having only one member (On Jenova alone!). Is there a system currently in place to clean up this mess? Perhaps we could have a recurring tax on credits each month?

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Why does it matter to you who owns a FC or how many players in it....I know plenty of people who own small FCs less than 10 members because they just keep their FC for close friends. It has nothing to do with you nor does it affect your game experience. You are still free to find a large FC to join.

Like really I am at a loss for why you think this affects you in some way. Adding a tax will just hurt small FC's even though they may be happy with fewer members.

Some players like a large FC for a lot of talk and more players to play with. Some players like smaller FC environments where it is less noisy and more of a tight knit group that doesn't just invite anyone and everyone into their ranks. It's better to cater to both player types; instead of forcing FC's to bloat their ranks just so they don't get penalized.

So How do small FC's effect you or anyone else? This is a very very very weird request..........

At its roots, the purpose of a Free Company is a group of players working toward a common goal. The Free Company creation process includes getting signatures from other players that end up becoming members. That right there shows that this system was never meant for one person. I didn't even touch on the Free Companies that have gone inactive, tying up that particular name. I could only imagine the frustration of someone trying to register their favorite Free Company name and then finding out it has been taken and that company not active for six months or more.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

At its roots, the purpose of a Free Company is a group of players working toward a common goal. The Free Company creation process includes getting signatures from other players that end up becoming members. That right there shows that this system was never meant for one person. I didn't even touch on the Free Companies that have gone inactive, tying up that particular name. I could only imagine the frustration of someone trying to register their favorite Free Company name and then finding out it has been taken and that company not active for six months or more.

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You need in total 4 players to newly form an FC based on game requirements, so doesn't that make your 10 player or less purge seem weird. So really you're talking about the people that are in a FC by themselves.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

At its roots, the purpose of a Free Company is a group of players working toward a common goal. The Free Company creation process includes getting signatures from other players that end up becoming members. That right there shows that this system was never meant for one person. I didn't even touch on the Free Companies that have gone inactive, tying up that particular name. I could only imagine the frustration of someone trying to register their favorite Free Company name and then finding out it has been taken and that company not active for six months or more.

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Regardless of their activity, the number of members they have now or ever have, they were there first, they registered their name and it is theirs until they choose to relinquish that name.

To take the FC or name away from one person who obtained it just to give it to someone else because they "need" it or for whatever reason are more "entitled" to it is wrong.

My FC would likely be considered as one of the small ones. But we have kept it small on purpose. Large FCs tend to draw a ton of drama. Drama is much easier to avoid in smaller FCs. We also earlier on wouldn't likely be able to generate enough credits to pay for a tax. That alone could discourage new FCs from being made, and I doubt SE would ever want to do that.

Me and my irl husband have an FC together it's a Christian based FC . Why shouldn't we be able to have an FC and be able to have a house. We been the only 2 in the FC since we created it and are a rank 8 FC meaning we have done all the work for it. We also have 3 airships to. So even fc's with only 2 people in it can accomplish anything. We have been in bigger fc's before and don't like the drama that comes with them. So op keep the hate for smaller fc's to yourself. Because the way I see it smaller fc's have to put in a lot of work to accomplish what the bigger fc's accomplish. So maybe the tax if there ever was one should be placed on the bigger fc's.

Would you like your character deleted if you didn't sub for 6 months? The reason being: someone could want the nickname.

No, thank you.

I like my credits where they are and I like managing a small FC. Don't force large FC complications on people who get their social/raiding fill through LS' instead.

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Originally Posted by odie

SE could simply just disband the ones where their members haven't signed on in so long, without the need for credits tax

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Do we know if SE has this system in place? If not, I feel we should ask for something. If everyone is so against taxing, then where is the uproar over teleportation fees and market board tax?

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

Do we know if SE has this system in place? If not, I feel we should ask for something. If everyone is so against taxing, then where is the uproar over teleportation fees and market board tax?

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What is the point of an FC tax EXCEPT as a penalty to small FCs? You pay the teleportation and marketboard taxes for CONVENIENCE. You do not HAVE to pay them, you CHOOSE to pay them. You can walk/ride to wherever you want to go, the teleport fee is for the convenience. You could see that MB item, try to contact the creator, meet them in person and pay for it.

An FC tax would be MANDATORY and is not the same as the other fees.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

Do we know if SE has this system in place? If not, I feel we should ask for something. If everyone is so against taxing, then where is the uproar over teleportation fees and market board tax?

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Because they serve the purpose of taking gil out of the game? We need them so the market doesnt crash completly.
Your idea and how you presented it is wrong on so many levels:

1) There are FCs that are small for a good reason, as already has been said - close friends, more familiar atmosphere, you name it. You'll either hurt them by forcing another grind upon them or force them to get more memembers.
2) People who're having an FC of their own wont give that up because of a tax - they'll just bite the bullet.
3) as we know now, you've made this thread because you desire a name that has already been taking... if you want to be in an Fc called so-and-so badly, you know, you could always ask to join them... Or... do you want to have an FC of your own...? With a few friends, maybe...?

Also: Maybe be more upfront about what you really want - people might would have agreed with you if you'd said "Hey, can we get a system in place that disbands FCs if no one has been active in them for 6 months?". Please, dont tell us, that we're not intended to play with and in smaller FCs - I couldnt imagine being in a very large and crowded one, that recruits everyone that happens to come their way. Dont punish us for being more... picky and only want to play with a few good friends - just because you want to do the same and are angry that someone got the name before you

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

I never said you said your idea was good, but you did make a topic on it, so you obviously see something in it, even if it's not well thought out.

Up until recently, my FC was 2 people large (We are still small with 5 + 2 alts). We have a house with airships. Meaning we need FC credit to run them. Building credit takes a lot of time and investment when you're running a small FC. Imposing a tax would force a small team to work even harder to hold onto what large companies have with no effort. How do you think this is remotely okay?

Also, for that last part, Kogasan probably didn't need to mention what type of FC they're running, but you throwing it back at them is an attack.

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Most likely, a small or inactive FC has a name he feels he is entitled to and is willing to burn everyone and everything to the ground to get it. Otherwise, there really is no point to this entire thread.

Free company tax?

No.

I have to work my ass off to support my two person FC, it is practically non-stop farming FC points, gil and crafting materials for airships and housing items. I do not appreciate you wanting to impose an additional tax on mine just because you wanted the name another small FC used.

Some free companies are smaller as they are perhaps couples or family members and such, others are just long time friends, etc..
I do not know why this would bother anyone, not really anyones business either

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

I never said you said your idea was good, but you did make a topic on it, so you obviously see something in it, even if it's not well thought out.
Up until recently, my FC was 2 people large (We are still small with 5 + 2 alts). We have a house with airships. Meaning we need FC credit to run them. Building credit takes a lot of time and investment when you're running a small FC. Imposing a tax would force a small team to work even harder to hold onto what large companies have with no effort. How do you think this is remotely okay?

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Why are you assuming the tax would be so crippling as to disable an active Free Company? Such a tax would not need to be a static value. It could grow and shrink as the Company does. I think it is okay because it would encourage social, group play. After all that is the purpose of a Free Company.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

Do we know if SE has this system in place? If not, I feel we should ask for something. If everyone is so against taxing, then where is the uproar over teleportation fees and market board tax?

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That's a tax that affects everyone equally. Yours does not. Yours is based on the size of the FC to get the smaller ones to close down so you can have the name you wanted. And your attack on their Christian FC was just that. You didn't feel like you had to match their adjective. The way they used it in their post was to clarify that their FC has a purpose, so that they have an FC where they can express their views openly. If they were not able to keep their FC they would then have to give that up and either not be able to freely express themselves, or attempt to express it in larger FCs or LSs that would be home to people like yourself who jump to insult them.

Their use of the adjective was legit, and helping to make a point. Yours was used in a smartass context.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

I think it is okay because it would encourage social, group play.

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Please explain to me how "Listen everyone, we still need to pay our FC-tax, so everyone go out and grind for it!" is encouraging group play? How would that be "fun" to do? How would that be a fun group activity that people would want to do?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Please explain to me how "Listen everyone, we still need to pay our FC-tax, so everyone go out and grind for it!" is encouraging group play? How would that be "fun" to do? How would that be a fun group activity that people would want to do?

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I will ask again, why do you assume this tax would be such a grind to attain? Why wouldn't this encourage group play? You earn Company credits for completing dungeons with Company members, among many other activities.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

I will ask again, why do you assume this tax would be such a grind to attain? Why wouldn't this encourage group play? You earn Company credits for completing dungeons with Company members, among many other activities.

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Company Credits are used to buy fuel for the airships, for the FC-buffs etc. etc. It can already be difficult for smaller FCs to earn them while a large FC doesnt has to worry about it, because they've got more members to contribute. I certainly dont wanna have to be like "Oh shit, guys, the tax is due next week, we have to run stuff now or else we gonna lose our FC, the house, the airships...!"

Dont hide your desire for a certain name under "but... group play!" It wouldnt encourage group play, it would FORCE it. And why should you even care if people are playing together in an FC or not? Its really non of your buisness - maybe they just like the company, you know?

Right now there are two possible outcomes for your... idea:

1) Nothing happens; the "tax" does nothing because its so small no one cares anyways - your name still isnt free (lets face it: you want THAT, not encourage people to play together...)
2) A lot of smaller FC are hurting for no good reason.

Also: I explained the market board tax and the teleport to you - as in: taking money out of the game. Paying in Free Company Credits doesnt serve that purpose, they're supposed to BENEFIT the FC - not to maintain it...

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

I will ask again, why do you assume this tax would be such a grind to attain? Why wouldn't this encourage group play? You earn Company credits for completing dungeons with Company members, among many other activities.

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I think you just have to accept that your plan so far, is unanimously not being accepted. And after your comments earlier, its really hard for anyone to want to listen to any point you're trying to make.

Nobody wants to feel like their FC is threatened by a tax. There are social FCs, and due to the burnout this game can put on a person, some people won't do duties at all. On Balmung, there are FCs for Roleplay, and they likely do more of that than anything else. You don't get credits for roleplay. For what you're claiming to want to do, which is getting inactive FCs disbanded, it could be handled by removing FCs with extended periods of inactivity. SE could clearly handle that.

We don't need to explain why your plan is a burden, although we have. I feel our points are better argued than your belief that these inactive free companies somehow impact you other than you not getting the name you wanted. In which case, I feel that a better solution, which doesn't take the devs time and resources, and doesn't affect other existing free companies of any size, would be for you to not be so basic in your name choices and come up with something clever instead. Names get taken. Just like player names. Pick a new one.

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

Why are you assuming the tax would be so crippling as to disable an active Free Company? Such a tax would not need to be a static value. It could grow and shrink as the Company does. I think it is okay because it would encourage social, group play. After all that is the purpose of a Free Company.

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Why are you trying to dictate our social group play? I get plenty of that with my linkshells, which holds the mantle for social group play.

If the name you want for your FC is already in use by someone else, it probably wasn't very creative to begin with.

Even disbanding an inactive fc would be a pretty bad idea, simply because of the fc chest. What would happen to that? Would it all be lost? If an fc saved up for, say, a house and they put all that money in their chest, and one of them comes back after a logn period of time, would he not be able to regain any of that?
I'd say if you're oh-so-salty about not being able to get a certain name, the only thing that could be implemented would be forced renaming of fcs to something like FC8491.

You could always do what other folks do when they have their heart set on a name that's already taken. Throw in a couple X's and misspellings, or whatever, ala XXXSephirothhhXXX (XXXSephirothhXXX and XXXSephirothXXX were already taken, you see!).

In this thread OP wants to make an FC but the name they want is taken by a not-so-very active FC and, thus, wants to punish small/less active Free Companies. And they're trying to hide it under "encouraging group play style that I want".

Now maybe an FC renaming, but only for FCs with all members that have been inactive for a minimum of 30 days.

My FC name is named after a LS in XI that was very dear to me and I'm the only member in it does this bother you? Do I care? no

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

There is a glut of Free Companies with 10 or fewer members, with nearly 350 of those having only one member (On Jenova alone!). Is there a system currently in place to clean up this mess? Perhaps we could have a recurring tax on credits each month?

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what a ridiculous idea..one of the worst to date on these forums i think.

it should be no ones concern how many fc exist nor how many members they have, talk about invasive lol

Long ago (2.1) I created an FC called 'The Exalted.' I eventually gave this FC (and house) to someone else; wanting a larger and 'non-Goblet' property instead. They didn't like the FC name but wanted the Plot badly and could at least change the FC tags. Years later (3.1?) Square-Enix enables the option to change your FC name. I immediately contacted those old owners in The Goblet and asked them if they'd be interested in changing their FC name so I could use "The Exalted" once again. Some bartering probably didn't occur *cough.* And now my FC name has gracefully returned to my arms.


Three cheers for communication!


So the moral of the story is:
Square-Enix needs to create a "Bad Suggestions Tax" and heavily enforce said tax on the OP. At least I think that's what I was getting at.

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Originally Posted by Huskell

Would you like your character deleted if you didn't sub for 6 months? The reason being: someone could want the nickname.

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Wonder why he didnt answer this one lol

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Originally Posted by aresgodofwar30

There is a glut of Free Companies with 10 or fewer members, with nearly 350 of those having only one member (On Jenova alone!). Is there a system currently in place to clean up this mess? Perhaps we could have a recurring tax on credits each month?

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No. Just no. Why should players get tax slapped onto them just because they like having a small FC with perhaps their closest friends/family. It's like saying the government should slap on heavy housing taxes on families with less than X amount of people because they're wasting the housing space that could be used for larger families.

Utterly ridiculous idea. You're exactly the type of player that likes imposing "punishments" on players that's got something you want and you can't get. Much SHAME!

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

It's like saying the government should slap on heavy housing taxes on families with less than X amount of people because they're wasting the housing space that could be used for larger families.

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To be fair this happens in the sense in the UK in regards to the bedroom tax, say if you convert one into an office and the like it doesn't change the fact its still considered a bedroom and we get taxed accordingly ¬___¬

But yeah the OP's whole idea and concept is just ludicrous over not being able to get a name.

Me and my friends transferred to Odin several months back and we couldn't get the FC name we originally had so we sat on it for a bit and came up with a new name that we all adore now.

Were you one of the original creators or did you inherit FC? If so do you not remember how hard it was to keep two FC buffs up daily due to burning through credits.