Am I reading this right about Raid Finder?

So... once you're done, you'll be returned to where you queued up from, and you no longer talk to an NPC.

I missed out on Coil when it was relevant, so I've only been in through Duty Finder. All three parts. I missed out on Gordias Savage when it was relevant (and still haven't set foot inside). So once 3.3 hits, that last remnants of the "raid experience" will be gone. No waiting for the group at the raid site, no waiting room after a clear... it'll just be just another instance?

If so I'm probably going to get desperate...

You're not missing much at all. To many of us it was just an inconvenience.

Think about it as going to Disneyland/<insert amusement park of your choice here>, but instead of having to wait in that massive line for all the latest rides, you can go shopping and do other things while you wait.

Just another sad excuse to not make people travel the open world to something. Because it "wastes time"

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Just another sad excuse to not make people travel the open world to something. Because it "wastes time"

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We live in a world where people can't wait 5 seconds for stoneskin ii.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

We live in a world where people can't wait 5 seconds for stoneskin ii.

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Thats 5 whole seconds!! I could be doing mad deeps during that time!

I don't mind the raid finder stuff working this way as long as you at least have to travel to the location once to unlock it. As others have stated it's more about the convenience of being able to do two things at once.

This is the weirdest complaint i have read on the forums. Having to go to a specific place to zone into a raid is an inconvenience and nothing more than that really.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

This is the weirdest complaint i have read on the forums. Having to go to a specific place to zone into a raid is an inconvenience and nothing more than that really.

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No its pure laziness and nothing more than that.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

No its pure laziness and nothing more than that.

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I don't know, losing your afk for hours on end spot in Idyllshire to someone else is a pretty big deal apparently.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

No its pure laziness and nothing more than that.

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No its pure convience and nothing more. Guess what, lots of us actually like to do things rather than waiting around for people to sort themselves out for scheduled raid time. This way, i get to go gathering if i want whilst waiting for the raid, not stand around in one spot waiting and wasting my time.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

This is the weirdest complaint i have read on the forums. Having to go to a specific place to zone into a raid is an inconvenience and nothing more than that really.

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I would agree with you if it took a long time to get places in this game, but with the teleport system, even the most remote locations in this game only take a few minutes to get to. Also, only the party leader needs to talk to the NPC, the rest just needs to be in the zone.

I come from FFXI, and I enjoyed the journeys on foot together with my party. It was part of what made that game so magical. I understand it's a different world now, but I would love to retain at least a little bit of that magic. An alternative would be if they made more relevant open world content for parties. Something like the Diadem, but a bit more thought-out.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I would agree with you if it took a long time to get places in this game, but with the teleport system, even the most remote locations in this game only take a few minutes to get to. Also, only the party leader needs to talk to the NPC, the rest just needs to be in the zone.

I come from FFXI, and I enjoyed the journeys on foot together with my party. It was part of what made that game so magical. I understand it's a different world now, but I would love to retain at least a little bit of that magic. An alternative would be if they made more relevant open world content for parties. Something like the Diadem, but a bit more thought-out.

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Ok and about those times nodes and timed fishes for gathering?

Convenience is about someone going to gather from them and being able to zone into the raid from where they are.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Just another sad excuse to not make people travel the open world to something. Because it "wastes time"

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If you really think that "porting to town, exiting town, flying path to raid portal for approximately thirty seconds" is "traveling the open world", then idk what to tell you, man.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Just another sad excuse to not make people travel the open world to something. Because it "wastes time"

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"Open world"..Haha

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

"Open world"..Haha

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hahaha so funny I know! Asking for less teleporting and more reasons to actually go from point A to B. It may not be the best open world but it still beats magically teleporting into something. But keep hahahaing me all you want I don't give 2 F**ks

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

Ok and about those times nodes and timed fishes for gathering?

Convenience is about someone going to gather from them and being able to zone into the raid from where they are.

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Usually when its raid time everyone should be there and ready to go. If you have someone late every single raid time then you have an issue with someone who should really learn time management skills. Or if you NEED to get that gathering node its kind of being rude to others by making them wait.

The inconvenience comes not from me having to allll the way to the hinterlands but actually the one guy who is asleep at his desk not going to the hinterlands (ocassionally I am that guy), and us having to wait for him to pay attention and zone in, just popping a DF makes a loud ping sound which is immediate and everyone can just go in.

Are we really trying to glorify the absolutely riveting experience of standing around at the raid entrance for 20 minutes waiting for everyone to show up? If you care that much you can just sit on your hands in front of the raid entrance for half an hour before you queue and it'll be the same exact time-wasting experience. If you want it to be truly realistic, add another 20+ minutes to simulate late people, afkers, and replacing no-shows. Now that's what I call excitement!

And considering that the Raid Finder pulls from the entire data center anyway I dunno how else you expect it to function.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Usually when its raid time everyone should be there and ready to go. If you have someone late every single raid time then you have an issue with someone who should really learn time management skills. Or if you NEED to get that gathering node its kind of being rude to others by making them wait.

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I like the way you are trying to majorly deflect from the actual debate.

convenience
kənˈviːnɪəns/
noun
1.
the state of being able to proceed with something without difficulty.
"services should be run to suit the convenience of customers, not of staff"
synonyms: benefit, use, good, comfort, ease, enjoyment, satisfaction

Now please explain why you feel the need for everyone to actually have to zone into and through several in game areas to get to a raid boss, when these people think it would be more convienient for them to directly zone in through DF or the new raid finder?

I don't know. besides the standing around somewhere and waiting, I do sometimes miss games that had you travel to places. might as well just be a lobby game since you can do everything of substance from town basically.

If you are waiting for people to show up 20 min later for raids or hours, that's not a raid problem. The real problem is the people who doesn't show up on time, simple as that. I don't mind flying around to get to the raid spot or whatever, but keep in mind if you have to wait for someone to show up or you decide to do things while people are there already, then you are the problem. The game has fantastic landscape and areas, wish they could use them more, but everything is teleport based these days. People make it sound like it's a raid problem because people don't show up on time. What about removing the player who keeps making people wait and doesn't know what time is? XD. Oh yes I do agree, going to a raid spot isn't excaclty ''exploring open world'' you just fly to 1 spot and that's it. But yah, seriously tho if people don't show up on time, that's all on the person being late.

SE should disable all aetherites for a month. See how much you like traveling on foot to everything and anywhere after that .

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Originally Posted by thorgal

SE should disable all aetherites for a month. See how much you like traveling on foot to everything and anywhere after that .

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Not sure if you talk to me or not. I come from FFXI and traveling there was a must. My honest opinion is games these days have been dumbbed down and brings more lazy people to the table. Don't get me wrong, I want some things we could do in the open world rather than click and just go into an instance, it just feels like a room with scrips we keep doing again and again and again and again. It's a loop pretty much. When HW was out, I was actually super excited to explore, it was the biggest excitement for me for a while in the game. Getting rekt by mobs and somewhat danger was exciting for me. Before people gonna tell me to quit the game or go back to FFXI, no I wont. I still enjoy this game and the people I play with, but some open world content and some danger would be awesome to have atleast. Sorry for the offtopic.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

I like the way you are trying to majorly deflect from the actual debate.

convenience
kənˈviːnɪəns/
noun
1.
the state of being able to proceed with something without difficulty.
"services should be run to suit the convenience of customers, not of staff"
synonyms: benefit, use, good, comfort, ease, enjoyment, satisfaction

Now please explain why you feel the need for everyone to actually have to zone into and through several in game areas to get to a raid boss, when these people think it would be more convienient for them to directly zone in through DF or the new raid finder?

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My point is everything in this game already gives convenience for everything, why is going to a specific spot for raiding or a dungeon a bad thing? Yes our open world is nothing special but that doesn't mean it can't be. People need to stop asking for everything to be done at the click of a button. DF is convenient but it makes the world a hub or lobby game just as Madolyn has said. This game deserves more than to be just a lobby/hub game.

All you people keep throwing the lazy card around. Honestly it makes you look unintelligent and single minded. Can you not see any other reason? Do you really have to resort to calling people lazy? What if they would rather just do the instance without spending time traveling in an uninteresting world? Oh right, you like it so clearly everyone else must love it too! How dare they spend money to play a game for a few hours after they get home from work each day and be as time efficient as they can! Those lazy people. >_>

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

All you people keep throwing the lazy card around.

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I say lazy because it's true. Look at how games are compare to years ago. Look at ff games after ff12. They feed you with direction,people can't even do a rotation in this game and complain its hard when its not. Thats what I meant with lazy. I dont mind joining a duty finder, that's not what I meant by lazy. I never said it should go my way because I'm only stating my opinion, so don't put words in my mouth if you talk to me. Lazy are people who want's to craft 3 star but put no effort or not wanting to do effort in groups and let others do the job for you, that's lazy.

Only reason why I want some more open world content is because the game is beautiful and many and I'm very many agrees with me there. The details of landscapes during day and night. Snow, rain, clouds etc, it's all amazing, I want them to abuse those things a bit more.

So let me make it clear again, lazy are those people who want and want and want but never wanna do any effort or enough to obtain things they want.
So I want you to quote me where I say everyone have to like traveling just because I do.

Keep in mind, not trying to attack you, but saying things I never said is what you said:

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Honestly it makes you look unintelligent

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If the post wasn't directed to me, I'm sorry and forgive me for that.

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

[...]but some open world content and some danger would be awesome to have atleast. Sorry for the offtopic.

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First thing we'd have to get rid off is flying, since that pretty much exists solely to turn the open world into a background scene. Good luck with that, it's one of the more popular features.

That aside: Gathering is entirely done in the open world. FATEs as well, most side/daily quests too. Hunts in all its forms and treasure maps are open world as well.
Lobby style is used for: PvP, Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials and Raids. In all of these cases, the lobby serves to facilitate cross-server groups, which are supposed to become a thing for Savage as well with the advent of the raid finder. Thus, the NPC is redundant and cut out.

Personally, I don't see it as a big deal. I've waited for enough mountless alliance people at Razorfen Kraul or the Scarlet Monastery to gladly say good riddance to waiting for people to show up at the entrance.

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Don't get me wrong its only a wish thing, not something I'm begging to happen. :)

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Originally Posted by thorgal

SE should disable all aetherites for a month. See how much you like traveling on foot to everything and anywhere after that .

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The first thing that would happen is a bunch of people suddenly being confronted by the fact that only a small percentage of people actually remember how to get to the Western Highlands, let alone CloudTop from the expansion city. Then we have all the people who haven't done enough traveling to know how to get to Limsa Lominsa from Uldah...

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

If you are waiting for people to show up 20 min later for raids or hours, that's not a raid problem.

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That isn't the problem in my raid group, everyone is present and ready, but one person has forgotten that they need to meet in the zone (as it is the only content that requires this), with coil it was less of a problem as all 3 entrances were next to aetherytes, but alexander requires a few minutes of travel time meaning unnecessary waiting around, meaning if someone forgets its time lost on a simple mistake (and for what gain?).

I like the raid finder change.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

That isn't the problem in my raid group, everyone is present and ready, but one person has forgotten that they need to meet in the zone (as it is the only content that requires this), with coil it was less of a problem as all 3 entrances were next to aetherytes, but alexander requires a few minutes of travel time meaning unnecessary waiting around, meaning if someone forgets its time lost on a simple mistake (and for what gain?).

I like the raid finder change.

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Ohh right! I kinda forgot the old raids was nearby the aetherytes. Makes more sense now. And I agree with you, it is true.

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Originally Posted by thorgal

SE should disable all aetherites for a month. See how much you like traveling on foot to everything and anywhere after that .

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I'd love that to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

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I am actually not specifically commenting to anyone at all. More so to everyone, i guess. Im just appalled at how quick people are to call others lazy the moment a new feature is introduced. Sure their might be some people who pretend to fight and hide under the boss the whole fight spamming one skill, but that's not the only type of person that would find the Raid Finder useful and all of the people in this thread know it. Yet I keep seeing how everyone who favors meeting in the over-world and thinks the rest of the community should too. It doesnt matter what games used to be like, I also dont care if half the community is too lazy to learn rotations.(not trying to be a jerk) These things are not really relevant and they do not make the Raid Finder more or less useful. That is actually a community problem. Some people have more free time than others. Some people also do not care at all for open world content. Using laziness as the main topic of the discussion like it is the only concern is just odd. Why not make a thread about lazy people abusing all features rather than complain about the individual features? The raid finder is optional and i dont see how it is in any way a bad thing to allow the player to decide how to play. Freedom is a beautiful thing.

These people r just mad that savage will now be accesible to those who cant commit to statics 4 various reason, and those who dont meet their arbitrary requirments to join their static cliques. They r losing their special snow flake status and it infuriates them. To call people who use raid finder "lazy", is lazy trolling at its best. Waiting in pf 4 hours trying to pug savage and having no one join, thats the real "community" thats these types preach about so much.

Raid finder should have been implemented DAY 1. This way, people can at least make the attempt instead being denied becuz muh "no bonus" bs that permeates so much of these cliques. This harkons back to the coil days when i had decent t12 exp but no one would dare let me join their t12 pts cuz "muh no bonus" that everyone preached about. As soon as t12 was put on the df, Bam had my clear on my first run. Progression is omnipresent, the positves absolutely trump the "negatives", if u can even call them that.

just remembered back in 1.0, teleporting costed anima which didn't regenerate at a very high rate. If you used all your anima, you were forced to travel on foot or find someone to teleport you lol.

I would imagine the bigger issue is that raiding is so dead that the developers feel the need to try and pool together entire datacenters with a raid finder. So that people might have a chance at actually getting inside the hard raids. Alexander normal is a huge reason why. Once they neuter the relic quest in the next expansion, there won't be that much to do after you finish the story quests. It was fun while it lasted i guess.