Lifting restrictions that are placed because of "lore"

I get limitations due to hardware preventing us from getting something...but another reason I've seen thrown out there for us not having certain things would be lore. For example, there was a mount people were asking for, back in 2.0 i think? The devs said that the character/creature it was based on was rare and it wouldn't make sense to have them all over the place in game. But yet we see Midgardsormr flying around all over the place, Slepnir, etc. I'd say that one is sufficiently defeated.

We can't glamour class locked gears. Artifact armors make sense...but you have things like tunics, generic armors, locked to Disciple of War or Magic or even tank only. The excuse given is that they dont' want to have the classes losing their identity because mages have tank legs on. First...most of the disciple of magic stuff is "All Classes" so you can have mage hats and robes on dragoons and tanks or whatever else you want. Second, we have snowman outfits, swimsuits, and various other clothing items that already destroy class identity and any realism where armor is concerned. So....can we please unlock these things and stop hiding behind lore when its obvious it's not being followed anyways?

I don't have anything to add that's already been presented. But as long as it's solely for cosmetic / glamor / RP reasons, i see no reason why this shouldn't be a thing.

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Originally Posted by Yuraq

But as long as it's solely for cosmetic / glamor / RP reasons, i see no reason why this shouldn't be a thing.

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My biggest pet peeve with the glamour restrictions would be the hempen tunic. its a level 1 armor...it's locked to Disciple of War, and yet it has no stats....none...at all. Why? lol

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Originally Posted by odie

My biggest pet peeve with the glamour restrictions would be the hempen tunic. its a level 1 armor...it's locked to Disciple of War, and yet it has no stats....none...at all. Why? lol

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Oh I agree! I can't tell you how many times i cry a little inside when I find the -perfect- glamour combination in the fitting room feature only to realize 2 or more pieces are restricted to a specific class / disciple of war / magic. :/

It's not like this would break anything in-game, I've seen people running around glamored in "the emperor's new EVERYTHING" it was a naked monk.

Also hello fellow balmungan! o/

As far as mounts go I think the only two times Im aware of them refering to mounts they changed their minds on was a Red 13 mount (FF7) and cloud's bike. The Red 13 mount they felt wouldn't be a good callout to the earlier FF game because Red 13 was supposed to be an almost extinct species and having heaps of versions of him running around wouldn't work. As for the bike, they felt it didn't fit the current themes of FF14 and felt too out of place plus it felt really slow for a bike going at normal mount speed.

As for glamour I'm of too minds. On the one hand I don't really see how opening things up would really hurt. On the other hand I kind of cant help but feel it would have a negative impact on the aesthetic sense to the game. It would erode the sense of 'this is what a spellcaster looks like' or 'this is what a rogue/ninja looks like', etc. Can you imagine a NIN in some of those really heavy plate sets? I would also add that its only low level DoM gear that can actually be glamoured by DoW. Anything 50 or above is DoM only.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Can you imagine a NIN in some of those really heavy plate sets?.

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http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...sas_Junius.png

I think glamour is truly completely arbrirary. lorewise, you can see Papalymo, A THAUMATURGE sporting plate gauntles, Yda's legs are clad in those tank-only sabaton models, pretty sure she's a pugilist.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

As far as mounts go I think the only two times Im aware of them refering to mounts they changed their minds on was a Red 13 mount (FF7) and cloud's bike. The Red 13 mount they felt wouldn't be a good callout to the earlier FF game because Red 13 was supposed to be an almost extinct species and having heaps of versions .

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Never knew Red XIII was a planned mount. It wouldn't feel right riding on his back anyway, kinda feels wrong thinking about it, Midgardsomr is fine he's a big dragon who willingfully lets you, but not Red feels a bit disrespectful to him.

Midgarsormr mount is locked behind lore, as in you need to earn it via following the story...

I don't understand why you are even arguing this point.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The Red 13 mount they felt wouldn't be a good callout to the earlier FF game because Red 13 was supposed to be an almost extinct species and having heaps of versions of him running around wouldn't work.

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That argument no longer fits though. We have mounts like the OP mentioned, Midgarsormr.. In the story there is only ONE Midgarsormr. He's an actual character with an identity. But you can have ten characters riding midgarsormr's around, right next to each other.. Maybe even next to a character on foot that has the little Midgarsormr minion flying behind them in tow. This mount itself breaks that rule, and i'm sure theres many many others..

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Originally Posted by Belhi

As for glamour I'm of too minds. On the one hand I don't really see how opening things up would really hurt. On the other hand I kind of cant help but feel it would have a negative impact on the aesthetic sense to the game. It would erode the sense of 'this is what a spellcaster looks like' or 'this is what a rogue/ninja looks like', etc. Can you imagine a NIN in some of those really heavy plate sets? I would also add that its only low level DoM gear that can actually be glamoured by DoW. Anything 50 or above is DoM only.

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I kindof see what you mean with this.. As much as i feel like we should be free to glam ourselves however we want, I do agree that some things should be off limits.. But there's -tons- of generic stuff in the game that is restricted for no reason.. I dont think some of the more plain robes should be restricted simply to casters. Just like i dont think some of the plain tunics should be restricted to just DoW classes. I see absolutely no problem with a paladin or a monk running around in robes (again, the plain ones.. not the ones with magical items dangling all over them :P) and i also see no problem with mages going around wearing tunics and looking like a traveler. I mean if you were a mage and you had to go do business in Little Ala Mhigo or Camp Drybone... Would you really want to go on this trip while wearing a large thick heavy (sometimes fur lined) robe?

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Midgarsormr mount is locked behind lore, as in you need to earn it via following the story...

I don't understand why you are even arguing this point.

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That's not what I meant locked by lore. I don't care that you get it from the story. The thing is, Red XIII was meant to be almost extinct...therefore can't have it as a mount...but thousands of players can all have Midgardsormr all at the same time. So their original stance apparently shifted.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

As for glamour I'm of too minds. On the one hand I don't really see how opening things up would really hurt. On the other hand I kind of cant help but feel it would have a negative impact on the aesthetic sense to the game. It would erode the sense of 'this is what a spellcaster looks like' or 'this is what a rogue/ninja looks like', etc.

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And you don't think that a paladin running in and tanking in a swimsuit and sandals erodes the sense of what a tank looks like? They lost any sense of that when they started letting us glamour items like that over armor. We have naked party members and reindeer, etc.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

That argument no longer fits though. We have mounts like the OP mentioned, Midgarsormr.. In the story there is only ONE Midgarsormr. He's an actual character with an identity. But you can have ten characters riding midgarsormr's around, right next to each other.. Maybe even next to a character on foot that has the little Midgarsormr minion flying behind them in tow. This mount itself breaks that rule, and i'm sure theres many many others..

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Pretty sure Mids is a spiritual manifestation since A) he literally grows to an adult right in front of you just so you can ride him and B) his corpse is still wrapped around the airship in the lake. Plus, only our characters seem to even know he exists. For all we know, we all just have a tiny piece of his soul following us around in various forms.

Nitpicking aside, I personally think only the racial and artifact gear should stay locked, and the glamour requirements otherwise should be lifted. I can see the issue with a mage actually equipping a tank body, but to make their robe /look/ like a tank body, I see no issue with.

I think only AF (including AF2 and palette swapped lookalikes, like the i90 myth gear) should be glamour restricted. That's where SE's justification about looking like a different job actually makes sense, for gear that's specifically designed to the look of a particular job. But everything else should be glamourable regardless of your current class/job.

(I thought at first this would take more data per item, to store whether or not the glamour appearance is restricted, but then realized it doesn't if it just follows a standard rule: If the number of classes/jobs that can equip the item = 1, then that's also the only class or job that can display its appearance. If there is more than 1 that can equip it, then any class or job can glamour it. For non-AF battle gear, you always get at least 2, a job and its base class. Non-AF field gear is equippable by all classes. But AF and its variants are only equppable by a single job or class.)

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Originally Posted by odie

My biggest pet peeve with the glamour restrictions would be the hempen tunic. its a level 1 armor...it's locked to Disciple of War, and yet it has no stats....none...at all. Why? lol

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It have ilevel 1

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Originally Posted by Yuraq

I think glamour is truly completely arbrirary. lorewise, you can see Papalymo, A THAUMATURGE sporting plate gauntles, Yda's legs are clad in those tank-only sabaton models, pretty sure she's a pugilist.

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dated gear

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Originally Posted by Belhi

As for glamour I'm of too minds. On the one hand I don't really see how opening things up would really hurt. On the other hand I kind of cant help but feel it would have a negative impact on the aesthetic sense to the game. It would erode the sense of 'this is what a spellcaster looks like' or 'this is what a rogue/ninja looks like', etc. Can you imagine a NIN in some of those really heavy plate sets? I would also add that its only low level DoM gear that can actually be glamoured by DoW. Anything 50 or above is DoM only.

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Dragon age origins. Arcane warrior.
Now THAT'S a mage that can rock heavy armor.

And being a tank in nice soft comfortable looking clothing would be grand.

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Originally Posted by odie

That's not what I meant locked by lore. I don't care that you get it from the story. The thing is, Red XIII was meant to be almost extinct...therefore can't have it as a mount...but thousands of players can all have Midgardsormr all at the same time. So their original stance apparently shifted.

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Enhhh not exactly.

The corpse of Midgarsormr passes along a whelp of his brood to follow you in your search for certain truths- one from which he has chosen as a vessel for his consciousness. As the story progresses he begins to trust the honor you profess. Ultimately his trust in you becomes absolute, and his form evolves into a rideable mount. Its the info that is not presented which could allow multiple instances.

Red XIII, however, according to the only title wherein it existed, has one story point that trumps others: It is practically the last of its kind, an endangered species. Were it to be doled out as a crossover mount, it would violate this lore point.

That said...Nothing here says that a red XIII style mount won't exist, but if it does, it will likely have its own FFXIV universe lore to explain its existence. Not a direct event port like the lightning/snow gear.

The way you get to your goal is in many ways more important than whether you reach your goal at all. If we ask the right requests, you can still, maybe, see a future with this mount. Just don't count on the FFVII crossover event being the specific source for it. Because reasons.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The Red 13 mount they felt wouldn't be a good callout to the earlier FF game because Red 13 was supposed to be an almost extinct species and having heaps of versions of him running around wouldn't work.

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Well, his species could be nearly extinct on Gaia but still plentiful on Hydaelyn. I'd think the bigger problem is that it's an intelligent sentient species, so using one as a mount would be slavery.

There was actually a significant enough desire for the Fortemps armor you wear in the Grand Melee instance that the devs are likely going to make it accessible to all the classes, since it went over the top of your actual gear.

/10-char-min

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Originally Posted by Yuraq

I think glamour is truly completely arbrirary. lorewise, you can see Papalymo, A THAUMATURGE sporting plate gauntles, Yda's legs are clad in those tank-only sabaton models, pretty sure she's a pugilist.

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All the Archons wore mismatched gear like that because that was also how they looked in version 1.0, which originally had no class restrictions on gear - instead you had 'recommended class and level', but you could equip any piece of gear on any class at any level if you wanted to. You coped a massive stat penalty though if you equipped a piece of gear that was not recommended by class, such as tank gear on a mage, or was more than 5 levels above or below the 'recommended' level, but you could still do it. The thing is though, players complained about it - they wanted gear to be restricted to class and level, and thus SE changed the game accordingly - adding AF and relic as a start that was restricted to a Job and level 50, and ARR just built on that.

Thus the Archons carried their 'non-recommended' class gear into ARR - considering that with Heavensward SE has been giving them entirelly new outfits that more closely resemble/are more appropriate their classes, it's obvious SE are trying to move beyond this 1.0 holdover, so don't read into it to much.

Basically, players wanted class/level restricted gear, and SE gave them what they wanted. So if you don't like this, blame other players, not SE.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Basically, players wanted class/level restricted gear, and SE gave them what they wanted. So if you don't like this, blame other players, not SE.

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But for glamour, the reasons players would originally want the restrictions for no longer apply. It's one thing to equip it with the wrong stats, another to just use the appearance in glamour.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Well, his species could be nearly extinct on Gaia but still plentiful on Hydaelyn. I'd think the bigger problem is that it's an intelligent sentient species, so using one as a mount would be slavery.

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There was an argument a while back about Middy, and how it was "cruel" or "unjust" to force the Father of Dragons to wear a saddle and bridle.

The issue with that argument? He chose to wear those for your comfort riding him (just as he chooses to allow you to ride him at all).

Nothing says another intelligent mount can't do the same.


EDIT: And everyone forgets that Kirin is an intelligent mount, allowing you to ride him after proving your worth collecting the element-infused Nightmares (but not an actual Nightmare...)

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Can you imagine a NIN in some of those really heavy plate sets?

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Ninja ilv 110 pvp gear is most likely the heavy plate sets IMO.

I feel ya. I can't have eyebrowns because of lore.

For glamour purposes, I would love to be able to use the casting gear on my healers because ever since I have started I have always wanted to make a "dark" healing look. Also the Eikon casting gear looks way cooler than the healing gear... Technically it's still magic gear!

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Nothing says another intelligent mount can't do the same.

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Can female Au Ra get Kain from FF IV as a mount?