Any good scholar guides out there?

Can't really find one that's up to date. And I've been hearing all kinds of different opinions on macros, like one that has your fairy (embrace?) The target youcuse physick on, I just kinda wanna get some tips from people who really know what they're doing

How To Train Your Faerie: A Comprehensive Guide

I don't recommend macroing Embrace to Physick or other heals, because of Embrace's different cast/re-cast time, and the fact macros cannot be queued so you'll be losing efficiency and more importantly flexibility.

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Originally Posted by technole

I don't recommend macroing Embrace to Physick or other heals, because of Embrace's different cast/re-cast time, and the fact macros cannot be queued so you'll be losing efficiency and more importantly flexibility.

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I have never really had that problem on my Scholar, Technole. Of course you have to know how to macro your Embrace's properly, or else the entire thing kind of falls apart. Here is a sample of the macro that I use for my Scholar:

/micon "Physick"
/pac "Embrace" <mo>
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <tt>
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/ac "Physick" <t>
/ac "Physick" <tt>
/ac "Physick" <me>

The reason I put the Embrace commands BEFORE the Physick (or other healing spell) commands is because if it is put AFTER the healing spell, then the Embrace will automatically target the player if you aren't hard-targeting each person you are trying to cure, which is ridiculously annoying on a controller. With the above set-up you can cycle through your parties members faster and cure just that little bit faster.

Of course I also have all of my faeries off global cooldown abilities linked to my two AoE heals, and leave my faeries on obey for the most part, as that makes healing just that much easier in my opinion. I find having them on anything other than Obey, unless it is a really low level dungeon, tends to cause me more headaches than it solves.

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Originally Posted by Vellel

Can't really find one that's up to date. And I've been hearing all kinds of different opinions on macros, like one that has your fairy (embrace?) The target youcuse physick on, I just kinda wanna get some tips from people who really know what they're doing

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I would advise not macroing any of your fairy skills to any of your skills. You will be a far better scholar learning to pop the fairy skills yourself when they are needed.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I would advise not macroing any of your fairy skills to any of your skills. You will be a far better scholar learning to pop the fairy skills yourself when they are needed.

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I agree with this except Rouse/Whispering Dawn since they have the same CD. I also prefer not to macro fairy heals to my main heals, mostly because it decreases the flexibility to heal multiple targets. If a DPS gets caught in an AoE the fairy can usually handle it while I focus on MT or doing damage. You can keep Selene on sic most of the time because you'd want her speed buff on cooldown anyway, but Eos should always be on obey.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

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That won't solve the chaining spells problem.
It's easier to just bind embrace to a key and press it manually, so you can chain heals if needed. If you need to use three physicks, even on different people, there's a difference between a macroed heal and an unmacroed one.
Unmacroed heals are faster, plus the fiary will use embrace anyway, so it may and may not be in use/cast anyway on someone else, and in that case you just delayed a physicks for nothing.
As far as efficiency goes, macros can't be added in the equation, except Rouse+WD, since it's
1. Two Cooldowns
2. You'd use them together anyway, given same recast and being the only Eos' skill you could buff.

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Originally Posted by Vellel

Can't really find one that's up to date. And I've been hearing all kinds of different opinions on macros, like one that has your fairy (embrace?) The target youcuse physick on, I just kinda wanna get some tips from people who really know what they're doing

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Yes, don't macro. Never macro.
Some people say they're fine with it, but it doesn't change the fact that macroed skills are slower and can't be queued.
Except Rouse+WD.

The main reason I macro is because I am on a PS4 and use a controller instead of a keyboard and a mouse.

There are several reasons I use a controller instead of a keyboard and a mouse.

1. I play the game while sitting on a bean bag chair in front of a TV. Thus using a keyboard and mouse is rather uncomfortable.
2. I personally find the controller to be more intuitive to my personal playstyle.
3. I personally don't like the idea of playing console games with a keyboard and mouse.
4. I don't personally like the keyboard and mouse set up on this game, and find the controller set up to be easier to understand.

As such, the macros save me a crap ton of space, even if they aren't necessarily the most optimal option. The reason for this is because I only really have 32 hotbar slots that I can actively utilize with any efficiency while in combat on the controller, so I have to cut corners somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

I only really have 32 hotbar slots that I can actively utilize with any efficiency .

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I play on controller as well. With using the extended hotbars? (think thats what its called) I have zero problems fitting my spells onto 2 hotbars and then two extended hotbars.

Not saying everyone will be like me but it may be something people having trouble fitting their skills on with a controller could look into.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

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Controller player here, too. Main reason would be because I suck at using kb+mouse.
Just try making two identical crossbars for Eos and Selene, with the fairy skills in the same place, plus a common one for the other stuff, and stack Protect, Surecast, and the summons on a fourth bar since it's not something you need at hand.
Solved the problem for me.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I play on controller as well. With using the extended hotbars? (think thats what its called) I have zero problems fitting my spells onto 2 hotbars and then two extended hotbars.

Not saying everyone will be like me but it may be something people having trouble fitting their skills on with a controller could look into.

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I tend not to use two hotbars + the extended hotbar. I personally just prefer to stick to a single hotbar + the extended hotbar. But then I am somewhat obsessive compulsive and don't really like dealing with manually switching between hotbars like that.

@Nathair, that would be the very definition of what I dislike dealing with. Not only am I obsessive compulsive, but I also have an extreme case of tunnelvisioning, and having not just two hotbars + the extended to deal with but THREE... yeah that would drive me completely bonkers.

I use chotbar copy between healing skills with a bar for each pet and a cleric stance hotbar for each pet and an interrupt macro for silent dawn. You can psuedo queue skills by repeating them. Each line takes about .10-.20 depending on your framerate. Macro your fairy skills at the top of the list, if you're going to include yours. Your fairy is slow enough. Put macroicon on the last line.

huh... macroicon on the last line? I will have to test that out, see if that makes a difference in macro speed. Thanks for the tip.

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What I think some of you guys need to understand, is that not every person who is playing this game has their brain wired in the exact same manner. Some people, such as myself, have several psychiatric disabilities that actually make it so that using Macros is just easier for us to cope with than trying to do every single thing manually the way that other people do them. I cannot multitask nearly as well as other people, so I need Macros to help me do some of that a little bit better. That is just the way that I work.

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We're not really accusing you, we were just giving tips in case you wanted to experience a different way to deal with crossbar managment.
If you had said you had such a problem from the get go, no one would've pressed the matter in any way, because that's a totally different situation. But if don't say that, then there's no way we'd know.
In your case, you need macros, efficient or not, so there would've been no discussion at all.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Each line takes about .10-.20 depending on your framerate.

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About 0.017 - 0.033 sec/line is correct.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

/micon "Physick"
/pac "Embrace" <mo>
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <tt>
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/ac "Physick" <t>
/ac "Physick" <tt>
/ac "Physick" <me>

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This macro would not work as intended. If you cast a single-target healing spell on <t> when you target an enemy, it is redirected to yourself. And after /ac "Physick" <t>, temporary target returns to the original target. <tt> on the next line is an original targets' target, not a temporary targets' target. /ac "Physick" <tt> doesn't work.

These macros will do almost the same thing.
/pac "Embrace" <mo>
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/ac "Physick"
/micon "Physick"
or
/pac "Embrace" <mo>
/pac "Embrace"
/ac "Physick"
/micon "Physick"
When you target no one, first marco Embraces yourself and second macro Embraces the Faery.

As someone pointed out, the macros can also be used for preparatory manner. A macro that summons a pet can also put it automatically on obey, and set that pet specific skills to your hotbar. So you can have one hotbar slot being either whisper wind or poison removing thing of selene, for example.

Another is one suggested mainly for WHM to put right level stone spell to their bar, but it also works for SCH, coupled with Protect it sets either ruin or broil to your main attack slot debending if you're currently level synced.

I can get the actual macro lines later since now I'm on my mobile.

Personally I don't like the idea of macroing embrace to heals either. The fairy casts it automatically even if it's on obey, and to me that works well enough.

I use the following Embrace macro (I repeat second line 13 times for pseudo queueing).

/merror off
/pac "Embrace" <mo>
/micon "Embrace" pet "Selene"

I found it more useful than raw action especially when I attack. Faerie's auto-heal isn't triggered until someone's HP drops below 80%. I'd like to order Faerie to cast Embrace on tank when I attack and everyone's HP is above 80%. So I target an enemy and mouseover tank then push attack action and Embrace macro alternately. This is easier to handle than attacking and healing while switching target.

I don't prefer Embrace macros combined with other spells because they are not flexible.

So reading a lot of guides and being a recent return player to the game and wanting to be the best scholar I can be, I'm confused with mixed threads from people saying wether to let Eos use embrace alone, or to cast it manually, or macro is with pyhsik. I know Selene is fairly simple to just let her do her thing unless you need to cast her silence manually, but I'm still undecided on how to get best use out of Eos. I'll hopefully soon start raiding (lvl 57sch and have all crystals ready for relic quest aswell as almost Finn Law gear) l.

Is a macro for Rouse/whispering dawn (Aoe heal) a must at least?

its a matter of your playstyle imo... so rouse/wd is nice to have but if you u use the faery buff every time it's up (f.e. to save some secs in cleric) a rouse macro is kinda useless imo... if you save rouse for heavy dmg income only go for it but here again its up to u in which way u will use rouse in general. personally i use it manually on sch but macroed it with enkindle on smn. :3

the embrace/physic macro was generally used for giving the faery a specific target while it ignores player with less hp as your current one - because normally it will autoheal players with hp < 80% but there are situations especially in further endgame content where f.e range/caster dds with less hp than the tank/co healer shouldnt be your priority -> the macro will force your faery to ignore them focusing its heal on your active target.

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Originally Posted by sparkzz

know Selene is fairly simple to just let her do her thing unless you need to cast her silence manually, but I'm still undecided on how to get best use out of Eos. I'll hopefully soon start raiding (lvl 57sch and have all crystals ready for relic quest aswell as almost Finn Law gear) l.

Is a macro for Rouse/whispering dawn (Aoe heal) a must at least?

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If you want to raid seriously (as in doing Savage tier content) as a SCH you will need to learn to micro Embrace to get the most out of it. It's easily achieved by using a mouseover macro if you're playing with M+K. I'm personally so used to manually Embracing that I never leave Selene on Sic and use Fey Wind/Caress manually but I'm apparently the exception and not the norm as most SCHs leave her on sic.

I also would advise against pairing rouse with WD if hotbar real estate isn't a concern. Sometimes you want Rouse but don't need WD and sometimes you don't need Rouse for WD because it's massive overhealing in a lot of situations and you're blowing up two healing CDs to achieve what can be achieved with only one. This is however not critical and if you struggle with hotbar management you can keep them together until you're comfortable with separating them, as their cooldowns do pair very well. I basically like to having as much control as possible.

Make great use of Adloquium.
Keep Eos on sic.

Done.

And don't come to me about "SAVING THEM FOR SITUATIONS (that don't exist in the VAST majority of the game's dungeons)", you see WHMs and AST use their healing boosts CDs, Long CD HoTs and damage reducing CDS all on a whim for great effect! Where as scholars do the exact opposite to achieve less.
Don't be like those scholars who make it hard on themselves for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

I have never really had that problem on my Scholar, Technole. Of course you have to know how to macro your Embrace's properly, or else the entire thing kind of falls apart. Here is a sample of the macro that I use for my Scholar:

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While most have already mentioned why its not recommended. The main driver is that Physick/Adlo and Embrace do not share the same recast/cooldown (2.5/3 sec). In the long run you are getting less fairy embraces by tying it to manual healing skills which are on GCD. This information will set a Scholar apart from the rest when in a bind.

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Originally Posted by RiisWolf

Make great use of Adloquium.
Keep Eos on sic.

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Umm no, you are just telling others how bad you are at playing SCH by doing that. Eos WD generates aggro and because how clueless she is at popping skills at the wrong time on Sic that can be like using Medica II before a pull.

Rouse Eos before Whispering Dawn. You might have to click WD an extra time to make sure she actually uses it.

If for whatever reason you want or have to stay away from the boss, then place your fairy near it (making sure she's not in front of it) so she'll still heal the tank. I've seen a lot of scholars stay at almost max range and keep their fairy by their side so she doesn't do anything. Be sure to put her back on Heel when you're done, if you move too far away she'll poof.

Scholar has really awesome mp recovery. Don't need your aetherflow stacks? Energy drain! Be sure to keep at least one stack though in case you need to throw out a lustrate or indomitability to save people's butts.

It becomes much easier to heal a fight once you learn its timing. You know party-wide damage is going out soon? Mitigate it with succor. Tankbuster incoming? Adloquium the tank. If it hits really hard you may want to virus the boss, too. But you have to be fast to put up that mitigation, chances are if you see the boss casting the move then you're already too late. Don't be afraid to use your cooldowns (either your fairy's or your own). Alternate between them at strategic moments if needed.

This is more of an arcanist thing, but you can set down shadow flare even if you turn your character around mid-cast... so if you want to do something useful while looking away from petrifaction/dragon's gaze/whatever then you can shadow flare.

Personally the only macro I have is to have my fairy cast Embrace on my mouseover target. It admittedly doesn't get much use but sometimes everyone around her is topped off, except for that one guy all the way over there. Or someone is missing just a tiny sliver of hp and it bothers me. Or I'm doing a fate or a hunt or something and I want to heal someone outside my party without healing them myself.

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If for whatever reason you want or have to stay away from the boss, then place your fairy near it (making sure she's not in front of it) so she'll still heal the tank. I've seen a lot of scholars stay at almost max range and keep their fairy by their side so she doesn't do anything. Be sure to put her back on Heel when you're done, if you move too far away she'll poof.

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definitly +1 :o

this is what you should really work for / get used to - fairy management will seperate you from the pack... it's the key to become a top tier SCH (or SMN) – there are way to much player who arent recognizing how effectiv pets could really are, if they would micro-manage them...

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Originally Posted by technole

While most have already mentioned why its not recommended. The main driver is that Physick/Adlo and Embrace do not share the same recast/cooldown (2.5/3 sec). In the long run you are getting less fairy embraces by tying it to manual healing skills which are on GCD. This information will set a Scholar apart from the rest when in a bind.

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While tying your fairy's skills to your own via macro is certainly not a good idea, I do get a lot of mileage out of having a completely separate mouse-over Embrace macro for those few times Lily gets lazy. It also helps control her placement somewhat - if you desperately want Fey Illumination on the tank, for instance, have her Embrace them first to make sure they're in range.

If I SCH, I generally place my fairy right behind the boss. Good distance to heal the tank on her own, and most of the party is in range for her aoe stuff, save maybe some caster. The awesome part is that fairies are inaffected by many aoe mechanics, so while I'm dancing around the field dodging pretty colors, the fairy still stays firmly healing the tank instead of tailing me across the daisy field.

The 3.2 patch allows us to macro ground targeting skills to a target now. Big quality of life improvement, especially for controller users.

/ac "Shadow flare" <t>
/ac "shadow flare"
/micon "shadow flare"


/ac "sacred soil" <t>
/ac "sacred soil"
/micon "sacred soil"

(Setting up macros like this will still allow you to cast the spells the normal way if you don't have anyone targeted.)

Thts rly... rly good to hear Rago - thx for this info :3

I also use similar macros. I prefer pseudo-queueing macros.

/merror off
/ac "Shadow Flare"
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare" <t>
/ac "Shadow Flare"
/tle
/micon "Shadow Flare"

/merror off
/ac "Sacred Soil"
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil" <mo>
/ac "Sacred Soil"
/micon "Sacred Soil"

So is there a BiS Lore item to buy first does anyone know? Im not savage raiding, though i would like to some time, what's the better lore item to buy, legs or chest? Thanks.

Is there a macro combining Swiftcast and the summons so they appear instantly?

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Is there a macro combining Swiftcast and the summons so they appear instantly?

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Just put both on your back-esque hotbar, where would keep protect. :O It helps I promise. Keep swiftcast in the same slot as your normal hotbar swift and place summon/summon II beside it.

can someone who has done raids help me with a good scholar rotation. The opener is easy enough, but when to use ED (i'm assuming as filler for double weaving spells) and knowing if i'm trying to keep all dots up vs letting some drop for timing sakes is rather confusing to me.