Why is glam quest level 50 and not like 15?

For reals?

So that you level up and enjoy what the game actually has to offer instead of parking at lv15 and wasting time with the lv1 fluff glamour game.

1. there is not many gear lv 1-15 a new player can use or buy for glamour
2. it give a new player anticipation to reach first time lv 50
3. it give players time to learn how to earn gil before wasting it.
4. the time between new gears is at lv 15 much lower than at lv 50

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

So that you level up and enjoy what the game actually has to offer instead of parking at lv15 and wasting time with the lv1 fluff glamour game.

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Because God forbid you might want to enjoy the game the way you want to, right? Not everyone plays MMOs to reach the top.

I agree, they made dyes at lv15, should've done the same with glamours.

It is an incentive to have you progress through the game. Not everything gets handed to you in life.

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Originally Posted by Felis

1. there is not many gear lv 1-15 a new player can use or buy for glamour
2. it give a new player anticipation to reach first time lv 50
3. it give players time to learn how to earn gil before wasting it.

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Racial armor looks way better than most/all pre 30 gear, just as an example.

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

It is an incentive to have you progress through the game. Not everything gets handed to you in life.

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Doing a quest and paying form prisims isn't "having it handed to you."

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Originally Posted by Letbluevannback

Because God forbid you might want to enjoy the game the way you want to, right? Not everyone plays MMOs to reach the top.

I agree, they made dyes at lv15, should've done the same with glamours.

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Lv 50 is not the top. It is now mid game.
And dyes are cheap and can't used on dungeon gear

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Racial armor looks way better than most/all pre 30 gear, just as an example.

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There is still the cost.
A new lv15-30 player don't earn enough gil to glamour everytime his gear new after everytime he get new gear.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Doing a quest and paying form prisims isn't "having it handed to you."

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You seem to miss my point. Ok, you begin the game for the first time. Lvl 1, you get a mount, you get glamour, you get all metallic dyes, you get a house , everything you get as a reward for leveling up is instead just handed to you. Now you see the point? If things are just given right at the start, then there is nothing to work towards.

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

You seem to miss my point. Ok, you begin the game for the first time. Lvl 1, you get a mount, you get glamour, you get all metallic dyes, you get a house , everything you get as a reward for leveling up is instead just handed to you. Now you see the point? If things are just given right at the start, then there is nothing to work towards.

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You're being silly. Mount is msq, glam is just a quality of life side quest. Doubt many new players have the silly gill to get a house.

As to having Gil for glams, many sastasha drops are 20k+ on my server. That's 10 glams.

Just because it would require them to earn the Gil doesn't mean they shouldn't have the option to do it.

Also you guys act like glamoring is some huge privilege. Guild wars 2 has it fr first level. It's just a way for people to enjoy leveling more (by looking cooler instead of ugly low level gear.)

I think the original reason is as simple as the fact that so many people have already hit level 50. That and the fact that they'll have the lion's share worth of glamors available to them.

I personally agree that the level restriction should be loosened, and it should allow anyone of level 15 or higher to glamor their gear. The arguments people have listed against it are unbelievably silly, and probably more an attempt to play devils advocate than any real attempt at making a good point. After all, once you've got at least one level 50 character, there's nothing to stop you using glamor on your level 15 newbie gear for your next job, is there?

It hurts no one, has no impact on gameplay other than cosmetics and there are really no good arguments as to why it should remain a level 50 privilege.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Also you guys act like glamoring is some huge privilege. Guild wars 2 has it fr first level.

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Well, because it is a privilege. A privilege you get once you hit 50. This also isn't GW2.

While I can't think of any good reasons glamouring itself is unlocked at level 50, actually making the prisms is a master recipe which does need a high level crafter to attempt. This could have been the deciding factor in setting the level of glamouring, it's hard to know without being a dev. Either way, getting to level 50 is practically handed to you now, what with all the experience boosts old quests have gotten. I haven't tried it but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get to level 51 before you remember to do the glamour quest.

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

It is an incentive to have you progress through the game. Not everything gets handed to you in life.

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But this isnt life..it is a pretend world.

I never seen the reason behind it, it certainly was not the lure to level a 50...I wasted far more gil on pets then glamour would have ever cost.
I hated looking the way I did along the way, which again didn't encourage me to level, it actually turned me off of it for a long time lol

We all see things differently though. That's cool, everyones opinion is just that, an opinion.

If they ever decided to lower it (which they wont though..it is se afterall ^^) I would fully support it.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Well, because it is a privilege. A privilege you get once you hit 50. This also isn't GW2.

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No, it's a game competing with gw2. Lowering the glam level is just that much more to help attract and keep new players.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

No, it's a game competing with gw2. Lowering the glam level is just that much more to help attract and keep new players.

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If the only thing keeping a player playing FF over GW was being able to keep your class specific equipment glamoured over your low level dungeon loot, then you were prooobably going to inevitably be leaving soon anyhoo. I'm also not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that the topic is a lot less dire and a whole lot more "Who even cares?"

When I was lv 15 on my first character I didn't have enough for the cheapest glamour prism on the market(okay glamours didn't exist then, but lets ignore that). Don't know if there is a reason the devs choose to make it lv 50, but either way I'm pretty sure most lv15 newbies don't care because they can't afford it.

While I wouldn't mind glamour unlocked earlier, even though Glam Prisms are relatively expensive for a new player, getting to lvl 50 with the new EXP amounts given by the MSQ takes like a month of casual play, or something like that.

There's no reason to glamour that early because you'll replace the gear in less than an hour most of the time.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

There's no reason to glamour that early because you'll replace the gear in less than an hour most of the time.

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Sometimes, sure. It's still nice to have though. I personally glamored a lot of my low level gear when I was leveling new jobs, since I can craft any of the necessary prisms myself. It's nice to be unique instead of looking like every other low level job when you join that dungeon run.

At any rate, I don't think they'll be changing the restriction any time soon, but I would certainly be happy if it ever happened.

If lower levels really want to spend their gil on glamour prisms I am not sure why you all care. It stimulates the market more, gets prisms selling, and will gil sink a bit from MB taxes. I am not sure why many of you think that is a bad thing. If a low level really wants to glamour something it does nothing but benefit. The low level is happy, the crafter is happy, and gil is removed from the market to keep gil inflation down.

I lost this argument once before.

There is no valid reason that glamours are locked at level 50.

At this point, the answer as to "why?" is "Because SE said so."

Players love useless and pointless grinds. Its a fact of life. If you suggest things to be changed or made easier for new players even if it makes sense they will defend it with stuff like: "Working hard for the game."

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Players love useless and pointless grinds. Its a fact of life. If you suggest things to be changed or made easier for new players even if it makes sense they will defend it with stuff like: "Working hard for the game."

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Getting a class to lv 50 is not useless, but neccessary. Not only for glamour.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

No, it's a game competing with gw2. Lowering the glam level is just that much more to help attract and keep new players.

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What newbie GW2 player is going to blow money on transmutation charges? You get plenty of them as you play the game, but not enough to justify using them on low level gear.
Of course, low level GW2 gear doesn't look like ass, usually.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

So that you level up and enjoy what the game actually has to offer instead of parking at lv15 and wasting time with the lv1 fluff glamour game.

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*looks at bazillion other MMOs that let you access costuming at level 1, or from a very low level* ... Riiiiight. It's no one's business but the player what they "waste" their time on in a video game.

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

You seem to miss my point. Ok, you begin the game for the first time. Lvl 1, you get a mount, you get glamour, you get all metallic dyes, you get a house , everything you get as a reward for leveling up is instead just handed to you. Now you see the point? If things are just given right at the start, then there is nothing to work towards.

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I get all of that in Rift. In WS I get all of that by level 14. Last I checked, people still have lots to work toward.

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Originally Posted by Elim

When I was lv 15 on my first character I didn't have enough for the cheapest glamour prism on the market(okay glamours didn't exist then, but lets ignore that). Don't know if there is a reason the devs choose to make it lv 50, but either way I'm pretty sure most lv15 newbies don't care because they can't afford it.

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That's probably a result of what is needed to make the prisms. All prisms require a mid-level item of the relevant craft and crystals. Not shards. Crystals.

In the grand scheme of things, crystals aren't expensive, but I've noticed that anything that requires crystals to craft for 1-50 content tends to be more expensive. Could be worse. Prisms could require clusters instead...

Glamour is the true endgame, thats why.

Serious answer: It's designed as a bonus for completing the original story line, much like how other games that reward you cosmetic costumes for new game+, like playing as a shirtless dante in DMC

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Glamour is the true endgame, thats why.

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Damn. I was gonna say that. ;c

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Players love useless and pointless grinds. Its a fact of life. If you suggest things to be changed or made easier for new players even if it makes sense they will defend it with stuff like: "Working hard for the game."

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Yeah, leveling up in this game is certainly useless and getting to 50 these days is suuuuch a grind. I'd say "try harder", but I'm not sure you can.

Glamours are for accomplished eorzians like me. Level 15 peasants want to look cool? HAH enjoy your scraps armor and look at my cool glamours

We get a quest to learn how to dye stuff at level 15.
They gave us a quest to unlock the Aesthetician at level 15.. after the first freebie session it costs 2000g a pop.
Then we're taught how to make materia at level 19-20 - but look we can sell those once we get our retainers and make money!

It is too bad they did not put the Aesthetician at level 30 instead of 15, and then Glamour quest at around 45 [since we go to Mordhona for level 45 leves]. This would space the perks out more evenly.

Level 50 gets the magitek mount and the deluge on free blue items for msq.

I do agree they should offer it up if the player is able to afford it, I know personally I am not a fan of the tin can tanks get at various levels that cover head/body legs/feet. Soon as I was able to I glamoured the top off at least.

People don't want players to do fates and rush to 50. Says they don't learn they're class when they get higher level.

Same people tell new players to rush to 50 because otherwise they do not deserve glamour and perks.

Logic.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Tbh I never used glamour until the ilvl 110 stuff came out for glamour I just used the ilvl90 valor gear when the 110 gear was available. I never used it under lvl 50.

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You can't glamour until 50. So that makes sense.

Tbh I never used glamour until the ilvl 110 stuff came out for glamour I just used the ilvl90 valor gear when the 110 gear was available. I never used it till I unlocked it at lvl 50 and actually cared about doing the quest.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

People don't want players to do fates and rush to 50. Says they don't learn they're class when they get higher level.

Same people tell new players to rush to 50 because otherwise they do not deserve glamour and perks.

Logic.

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Don't you need cleared Ultima anyway to unlock all the quests in Revenant's Toll?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

You can't unlock glamour until first 50. So that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

People don't want players to do fates and rush to 50. Says they don't learn they're class when they get higher level.

Same people tell new players to rush to 50 because otherwise they do not deserve glamour and perks.

Logic.



You can't glamour until 50. So that makes sense.

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Yes, I know you need 50 what i'm saying is that I never saw a point to use it because the gear to me didn't intrigue me like some RPers like you. I just enjoyed the game for what it was, got my af gear, liked it, even when I got the darklight gear I still ran around like a tin can. Glamour isn't a big thing for me (until now since there's not much going on in the game). I dunno why this is being argued since glamouring in this game the best looking gear is at 50, unless you wanna wear a swimsuit and run around but even then a new player isn't going to care about that. It isn't game breaking, crippling, or inhibiting your play as a person paying for this game.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I never saw a point to use it because the gear to me didn't intrigue me

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So... um.... why would that be a reason to keep the glamour quest at level 50? If you don't care for it, and don't even do the quest the moment it appears, why would it matter to you (and those like you) if someone else runs around spending their hard-earned gil to buy prisms off the MB (or getting them from their level 50+ friends/alts) just to look pretty while they level? Would you prefer that those people instead run through Haukke Manor wearing that low-level gear they like (like swimsuits, yukata, racial gear, hempen set....) over them being able to wear level-appropriate gear glamoured to look like said low-level gear? I'm not saying that scenario happens a lot, but while I levelled I often completely skipped tiers of gear because I didn't like them. I wore the level 23 tank gear until I could switch to the level 30 or 32. Ignored the stormtrooper armour from Brayflox entirely. And so on. I never heard any complaints, probably because those I ran with assumed I'd just been unlucky with drops, but I think everyone can agree that wearing lower level gear than you have to is a lot more detrimental to combat performance than being able to glamour earlier than level 50.

On this character (the above was an alt who levelled up before they implemented glamours at all), I just ignored my combat class entirely, opting to level up my fisher to 50 just to be able to get them glamours earlier without leaving my MSQ in the dust. Did it mean I stopped levelling after getting those glamours and am still puttering around at level 20-ish, focusing on just playing with low-level glamours?

No, being forced to reach level 50 with any class (not necessarily a combat class) to unlock glamour isn't game-breaking, though I'd like to argue that it is somewhat crippling/inhibiting. But being able to glamour from an earlier level (say 20, same as unlocking chocobo) wouldn't break the game either. Like you said, you do get a lot more glamouring options at level 50+, so even if your primary focus with the game was glamour/fashion, you'd want to level up your classes/jobs to higher levels to unlock more glamour options.

Noxifer already made my same point, but given that glamouring is already limited to what's at or below your current experience level, there's little reason to further gate it behind hitting what used to be the level cap. My theory is that when they implemented glamouring, they just simply tacked it on at 50 and set it in Mor Dhona, where most players frequented anyways. But whether you were new then or new now, it is an odd choice when you consider plenty of other MMOs don't place such high restrictions on vanity systems, and some even allow it from the jump.

Given that the game is only going to keep growing, SE may want to reconsider the lv.50 requirement for glamour, especially if vanity is such an attractive feature (and let's not kid ourselves, it IS). Not doing so only makes the competition look more inviting

For the most part people who just started playing the game aren't gonna have 20k lying around you'll have like maybe 10-30k if you're lucky by lvl 20.Skipping tiers of gear is fine you can use the lvl 32 brayflox gear till 50 if you wanted it's just for lvling. My point for myself in my own experience with MMOs is just lvl, enjoy the story, the zones, and quests. I don't play a game purely for aesthetics but looking badass and cool I can see how this would make someone go I wish I looked like that! which I can totally relate to however most of the gear that you get at 50 (crafted n what not) are just reskins that you can dye that so in the end it doesn't really matter. Lvling DOH as well first I know a ton of people who do that and again, I can understand as if crafting is your joy in this game i'd say do it up, but for me it's combat classes. Glamour didn't make me stop playing this game or make me feel alone I knew I was getting it just when I had gear Worth glamouring.