[Suggestion] New Cross Class SKills

Hi! To come directly to the point: I really think the game should implement new cross class skills. And they should come with a high level requirement (like level 52 or 54).
Here are my Pros and Cons, why I think this would be a good idea:

Pros:
- More incentive for leveling up alternative classes / jobs
- Cross class skill unlocking is a long time goal and a big reward for leveling up
- This gives players a lot to do while waiting for new content
- Also: More interesting choices / more build varity / more individualization

Cons:
- Balancing issues, cross class skills get to strong, imbalanced
(therefore I tried to suggest cross class skills that not influence dps or hps at all, but are more general useful tools)

Some concrete Ideas:

Marauder / Gladiator:
Level: 54
Cast Time: Instant
Cooldown: 90s
Range: 0
Radius: 0
Description: Next Attack has increased emnity
Additional Effect: Does not affect skills with already increased emnity
Idea behind it: If Provoke is on Cooldown you can use this in emergency situations together with a non-emnity attack, to gain back aggro, can also be useful for tank switches during fights

Conjurer / Arcanist:
Level: 52
Cast Time: Instant
Cooldown: 2.5s (gcd)
MP Cost: 5 (MP Cost is based on a level 1 character. As you level up, MP Cost of spells will increase.)
Range: 25y
Radius: 0
Description: Emnity gets reduced by 30% for selected target
Idea behind it: If e.g. shroud of saints is on cooldown and a new spawned add attacks you, you can sacrifice a gcd for reducing emnity on the selected target

Pugilist / Lancer:
Level: 52
Cast Time: Instant
Cooldown: 90s
Range: 0
Radius: 0
Description: Preventing knockback and draw-in effects for the next attack for 10s.
Idea behind it: Works like Tempered Will of Paladin, but only the knockback and draw-in effect part. Also it counts only for the next incoming attack. So it needs to be timed pretty precisely.

Archer/ Rogue:
Level: 54
Cast Time: Instant
Cooldown: 180s
Range: 0
Radius: 0
Description: The next sprint does not cost any TP for 10s.
Idea behind it: Sprinting should be useful and possible in certain situations. If you are not a mage, you can not use sprint during fights at all. With this skill you get a 10s buff, that will allow you to sprint without loosing any TP, can only be used every 180s, so you have to use it with care. Since it is a Archer Cross Class Skill it will be very intersting for Machinists, but for Machinists only.


Hope you dig the ideas.
Greetings, Bju

No. Cross class skills are not a choice, they become requirements. They need to move away from this garbage.

Also, ast needs the enmity dump, not sch lol.

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Originally Posted by DkDerek

No. Cross class skills are not a choice, they become requirements. They need to move away from this garbage.

Also, ast needs the enmity dump, not sch lol.

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Personally, I'd like more choice with my cross class skills. Right now most jobs get 4-5 essential ones and 2-3 garbage/useless ones (enmity generation on DPS, +Dex on non dex classes etc). It would be great if each job had 10 great choices and could only pick 3-4 of them.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Personally, I'd like more choice with my cross class skills. Right now most jobs get 4-5 essential ones and 2-3 garbage/useless ones (enmity generation on DPS, +Dex on non dex classes etc). It would be great if each job had 10 great choices and could only pick 3-4 of them.

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And to that poor soul that joins the game tomorrow who has to level classes for the next 6 months. Grinding fates isn't particularly fun.

Well there\\'s just a few problems in that your suggestions aren\\'t altogether all that useful anyway.

The first one: the skill is useless because if a tank needs aggro, they\\'ll be using their enmity combo anyway so the only skill it would work on would be the first in their enmity combo. And unless it gave a HUGE amount, it wouldn\\'t be enough to make a difference anyway.

2: skill already exists, called Smoke screen, Ninja has it. It reduces enmity generation too for the duration. And a healer shouldn\\'t be stealing hate anyway unless the tank is bad or they\\'re over healing too much.

3. Monks and Dragoons can just shoulder tackle/SSD/DFD back to their target. Plus there isn\\'t much utility for this currently, as knockbacks are few and far between, and not many people would focus to press the button in advance while trying to maintain GL3/BOTD, especially with how crowded hot bars are now.

4. Shukuchi and Repelling Shot exist for a reason. Not to mention I don\\'t know of any scenario where anyone has to actually sprint in battle. If they do that means they were lazy and are using sprint to avoid an easily avoidable attack if they were on point. For Bards especially since that now they have cast times, ANY movement is a DPS loss unless it\\'s small enough that it fits into the "you can move during the tail end of your cast" (in which case it\\'s probably small enough that you don\\'t need sprint).



That\\'s just my thoughts. The utility is too small to matter

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Originally Posted by DkDerek

And to that poor soul that joins the game tomorrow who has to level classes for the next 6 months. Grinding fates isn't particularly fun.

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Eh, levelings alts for cross classes and unlocking jobs was what originally hooked me on the game. I remember leveling ACN to unlock WHM and then getting hooked, so i brought that up for SMN and then leveled THM, and got hooked on that, so I went to go level a BLM and started playing ARC and got hooked and so on.

However, i did HATE leveling lancer for blood for blood, ugh.

That said, I think the issue is not the cross classes, but that leveling is made particularly boring for alternates in this game. The reason is because there are no/few quests, and you are forced to 'grind' fates or dungeons.

I'd propose they make a change so that side quests are unlocked per job and not character.
Alternatively, I could see any of the following be alright:
- Experience potions - purchasable with tomestones of law/poetics.
- Monsters with high difficulty in semi-remote areas that grant large amounts of experience per kill
- Random quests generated (similar to levemates I guess in repeat-ability etc, but more similar to traditional quests in execution)

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

4. Shukuchi and Repelling Shot exist for a reason. Not to mention I don\\'t know of any scenario where anyone has to actually sprint in battle. If they do that means they were lazy and are using sprint to avoid an easily avoidable attack if they were on point. For Bards especially since that now they have cast times, ANY movement is a DPS loss unless it\\'s small enough that it fits into the "you can move during the tail end of your cast" (in which case it\\'s probably small enough that you don\\'t need sprint).



That\\'s just my thoughts. The utility is too small to matter

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I sprint in battle all the time on my healer jobs.

But no, I'd be more in favor of getting rid of them entirely.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

I sprint in battle all the time on my healer jobs.

But no, I'd be more in favor of getting rid of them entirely.

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But is it out of necessity or convenience? I main healer and I've never been REQUIRED to use Sprint to dodge an AOE or anything

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

But is it out of necessity or convenience? I main healer and I've never been REQUIRED to use Sprint to dodge an AOE or anything

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If you want to reach the other side of the room for say, last boss in Library, you are often likely to miss it without sprinting.

I've sprinted to dodge aoe on first boss in fractal because it farking telegraphed with me directly in the middle of it.

If they make it "mandatory" ever, they f over most classes that rely on tp for combat skills.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

But is it out of necessity or convenience? I main healer and I've never been REQUIRED to use Sprint to dodge an AOE or anything

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Regardless of the reason. Native running speed should be increased in dungeons, to help account for latency or slow reactions and not require an extra button out of neccessity or convenience. Or if they insist on keeping sprint, remove the tp penalty for using it.

If the reason for it's existence beside getting somewhere, is being faster in fast paced battles, like an extra strategy button. Then I want a dash jump or dodge roll as well and they all should have their own separate energy meters.

I see the pros/cons and hear the arguments made by people but I would pose the following offering:

Why not in lieu of adding additional cross class skills, instead rework the existing skills over a set level limit.

Monk is my main, and love it to death, but I have always wondered why monks have MP. I would like to see a change in the gameplay where certain skills like Rockbreaker which seems to be based on an avatar style stone attack be able to become a Chi or MP attack making the AOE affect of the attack better. There are several others that would be cool to get a nerf like this, but I don't have time since I am working.

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Originally Posted by Aoxaviar

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Same reason Casters have TP.
HP, TP and MP are basic stats for the character.
It's the various Jobs that will utilize one stat over another, or both in combination. Its essentially a byproduct of our ability to change Jobs on a single character.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Same reason Casters have TP.
HP, TP and MP are basic stats for the character.
It's the various Jobs that will utilize one stat over another, or both in combination. Its essentially a byproduct of our ability to change Jobs on a single character.

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Crafters and Gatherers don't have MP though, so you can't really say it's just a natural attribute of the character

We have MP and TP on every battle class because sprint uses TP(it shouldn't though) and a lot of the cross-class skills you can equip as a base class require MP. PUG can cast raise/cure/protect etc.

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Originally Posted by DkDerek

And to that poor soul that joins the game tomorrow who has to level classes for the next 6 months. Grinding fates isn't particularly fun.

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It's an MMO: New players have to start like the rest of us, we did it, so can they. They want to fly right away? Same.

MMOs are time-wasters. So starting from lvl 1-50, and after that to 60, ain't a big deal for MMO fans.

Play some Korean MMOs and you'll see what grinding is all about ^^

I'm up for new Cross-Class skills. Or making some available skills now to be cross-classed.

At least since we are lvl 60, adjust and add one slot for our cross-class, so I can Raise people ;)

I'd just like a 6th cross class slot, and the ability to use one or two skills from rogue/machinist/astro/dark knight on other classes. Was so surprised neither of these things happened.

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Originally Posted by DkDerek

No. Cross class skills are not a choice, they become requirements. They need to move away from this garbage.

Also, ast needs the enmity dump, not sch lol.

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So, firstly, I wanted these new cross class skills not to be mandatory. Nobody should be forced to play clases to level 52 or 54. But, there should be an incentive for completionists and people, who want to max out their class, to do so. So I thought about cross class skills that deal with enmity or TP management, NOT Damage or Healing capacities. Secondly, AST can use cross class skills from scholar and whitemage, so they could use this skill as well, they, especially, would be the target group for this skill anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

That\\'s just my thoughts. The utility is too small to matter

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That was exactly the plan. As described above, if you bring new cross class skills into the game and you need a Level 52 or 54 class to get them, they should by no way matter so much that they become mandatory. They should be useful for a handful of fights, situational, then they're designed right for that purpose.

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