If you can't provide instanced housing, what about...

... instanced housing features?

It would be great and reduce the urge to get a house, if we were able to

• get an instanced airship-workshop in Mhor Dhona
• get an instanced chocobo-stable in Ishgard
• get an instanced garden in Gridania / botanist guild

I would'nt care if it costs double or three times the gil any house-owner would pay to get access to/ buy /build the feature....
but at least it would be a way to provide the majority of players with the neat housing features on the one hand, but won't raise the server load as much as houses with placed furniture etc on the other...

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

I would'nt care if it costs double or three times the gil any house-owner would pay to get access to/ buy /build the feature....
but at least it would be a way to provide the majority of players with the neat housing features on the one hand

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These two statements contradict each other. :/

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Originally Posted by Naunet

These two statements contradict each other. :/

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No they don't. The issue with housing isn't the cost, its the availability. There are a finite number of small houses, and on most servers, all of those have already been purchased. Also, the price of just the workshop/stables/garden is significantly less than that of a house.

I feel this idea is wonderful for stables. I don't really get why they haven't done this already? We can already access multiple stables (they already worked out the bugs with multiple stables not generating multiple chocobos and such) and other people can already not feed our chocos in personal ones, so why not do this in a public place too?

For gardens, it would be nice if there was some way to grow stuff, even if just in two-plot gardens or something. Gridania could have an atrium where you can buy space.

But, for workshops, I don't think this idea would work. For workshops, unlocks are tied to the house/workshop, not the FC or player or ship or whatnot. If you're talking about individuals having airships, well, ranks are tied to the FC airship slot, not to the airship itself. You can change all the parts and the ship's rank doesn't change. You can destroy all your ships and your FC's sector unlocks don't change. You can't put workshops in individual houses. It takes a light party of four people to advance a workshop project. If you're thinking that it would still require an FC to craft the ship parts, but individuals could buy those ship parts on the MB and just assemble their own ships to send out, that would still be a bunch of per-character data to suddenly have to store. And, they want airships to be an FC group activity.

If you're thinking that homeless FCs should have the ability to buy an instanced workshop that the whole FC can access, well, at present all unlocks are tied to a house, not to the FC. Right now, if your FC sold their house and bought a new one, their new workshop would not have any of the unlocks they had obtained. They'd have to start from scratch. For the instanced workshop idea to work, they'd have to change how they are doing things pretty significantly. Also, if that FC then buys a house, how do you handle the two workshops? Do they get separate ship slots in each and separate unlocks for each? Are they the same workshop?

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

...Also, if that FC then buys a house, how do you handle the two workshops? Do they get separate ship slots in each and separate unlocks for each? Are they the same workshop?

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Apparently the instanced workshop can be moved into the new house by using the up coming house moving system! ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

No they don't. The issue with housing isn't the cost, its the availability.

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I would argue it's both.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I would argue it's both.

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It doesn't matter how expensive something is if there are zero available for purchase...

I want affordable instanced housing for every single player who desires a home/zone with the flexibility, enjoyment, creativity and long lasting survivability of Rift, nothing less imo.

They could have made housing soooooooooo much fun and given the homeowners months of enjoyment for every project they wanted to create. We are muzzled and hog tied atm to what we can alter, create and imagine or achieve..its stiffling.

Even worse is the fact that so many can not even engage in the plop and drop housing we do have or any of the assosicated "perks" due to lack of availability.

Yup I ask for a far superior design.

It sounds harsh but its 100% true, no need for blinders. It needs a total revamp and it needs to be readily available to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

It doesn't matter how expensive something is if there are zero available for purchase...

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Obviously. But if there were to theoretically be "enough", then price would come forward as a limiting factor.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

I want affordable instanced housing for every single player who desires a home/zone with the flexibility, enjoyment, creativity and long lasting survivability of Rift, nothing less imo.

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Pretty much anything less is just... so ridiculously subpar. SE needs to suck it up and redo the system. They can keep the framework for the current thing for some special FC-only housing or something, but seriously... Why make their housing system so deliberately restrictive when multiple games have shown how incredible (and how readily players will engage) it can be?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Obviously. But if there were to theoretically be "enough", then price would come forward as a limiting factor.

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no, it wouldn't. the prices are static set by the system there's a cap to how expensive the plots are. gil has been pouring into the game. i probably generate a minimum of 100k gil from challenge log, dungeons, roulette, scrip turn-ins every week. and i'm just 1 person.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

no, it wouldn't. the prices are static set by the system there's a cap to how expensive the plots are. gil has been pouring into the game. i probably generate a minimum of 100k gil from challenge log, dungeons, roulette, scrip turn-ins every week. and i'm just 1 person.

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Not everyone is a crafter (scrips). When I was last playing, I never managed to get more than 3 million gil, while houses on Balmung cost upwards of... well, stupid amounts of gil. And, why should simple access to housing cost an arm and a leg anyway? Far better systems make the access free and the customization cost gold.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Not everyone is a crafter (scrips). When I was last playing, I never managed to get more than 3 million gil, while houses on Balmung cost upwards of... well, stupid amounts of gil. And, why should simple access to housing cost an arm and a leg anyway? Far better systems make the access free and the customization cost gold.

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then you done something wrong, ever since 3.0 and before all my DoH and DoL are lvl 60, I already generate 5kk and I make money casual ._.

I've made ~60 million from desynth and ~20 million from retainer ventures (mostly minions). I've probably made as much from crafting and gathering as I've spent on crafting and gathering gear/melds. I'm not saying crafting isn't profitable, I'm saying I haven't really bothered making money from it because there are far more lucrative means at my disposal. Money is easy to come by in this game if you want to make money. Money isn't the issue.

People can do something about money. No one can do anything to buy an item that simply doesn't exist. People are having to spend 5x the price of a house to bribe someone into relinquish their unused or underused land so they can buy it. That's not okay. No one should have to do that just to get a small house.

Thankfully, this will be alleviated when the housing decay system is implemented soon as mentioned in the Live Letter, and hopefully more wards will be added then too.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

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call "bribe" is a bit.... :D, it is a player sell & buy house self invention system, because we don't have that system yet, but in the recent live letter, yoshi mention the decay system like you said, and he "move" system which hopefully to be move house between city to city and hopefully a sell & buy house system. The player system is not every good

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

then you done something wrong, ever since 3.0 and before all my DoH and DoL are lvl 60, I already generate 5kk and I make money casual ._.

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I don't have a level 60. :P

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

call "bribe" is a bit.... :D, it is a player sell & buy house self invention system, because we don't have that system yet, but in the recent live letter, yoshi mention the decay system like you said, and he "move" system which hopefully to be move house between city to city and hopefully a sell & buy house system. The player system is not every good

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Sorry! I didn't mean it negatively. I meant it as, you have to pay someone to do something that does not technically benefit either of you in any mechanical way just to get around a broken system. And you shouldn't have to.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I don't have a level 60. :P

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you dont need to have lvl 60, you can technically earn good money in HW atm by having jobs no higher than lvl 55, lvl 60 only expand the possibility

Almost everyone is doing endgame level 60 content right now, so the value of endgame level 60 sellable items is steadily dropping. Right now, last I checked, there's more money to be made in earlier content. On my server, Demon Brick minions spiked to over 100k, boarskin maps were selling for over 60k (I think dragonskin are around 100k), Fat Cats are more then Gestahls, and so on and so on. Not to mention, if run duties unsynced, I'm told certain items don't drop, such as Ex Primal elemental tokens (Inferno Horn, Vortex Feather, etc), and those are spiking in value since they're the only limiting factor for Bright Primal weapon glamours. The duties that drop the rare minions also start well before 60 - Sohm Al, Vault, Bray HM, etc.

And, if you do craft, the level 53 crafter/gatherer gear HQ sells extremely well. Not to mention old AF1 crafter/gatherer gear - that has always sold well and will always sell well. It's great for those DoL bots, after all. Exploit them like they exploit us!

If you gather, go for annoying or time-locked pre-60 items that are heavily needed like Titanium Ore, Gold Ore, Darksteel Ore, and so on.


The money's there. The houses aren't.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

The money's there. The houses aren't.

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they are working on it as they said, even if you complain any more, it will not make it any faster. A lot of ppl complain about housing and come with their idea (and they forget left & right some detail of the current system). Take a seat back and give it a bit time, they already said they are working on it, and how they will work with an ETA.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

you dont need to have lvl 60, you can technically earn good money in HW atm by having jobs no higher than lvl 55, lvl 60 only expand the possibility

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I've got a character on Balmung who is 50. I took a break starting ~August of last year however, which is the point I had 3 million gil. Currently my character is level 30 though, as I rerolled on a new server. :P

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

they are working on it as they said, even if you complain any more, it will not make it any faster. A lot of ppl complain about housing and come with their idea (and they forget left & right some detail of the current system). Take a seat back and give it a bit time, they already said they are working on it, and how they will work with an ETA.

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They're "working on it" amounts to "free up housing plots of inactive accounts and MAYBE add some more wards". That is not a solution. At all.

Even freeing up plots, there's folks planning on buying a few or more on alts to resell. That crap needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

They're "working on it" amounts to "free up housing plots of inactive accounts and MAYBE add some more wards". That is not a solution. At all.

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give it time, I had explained about the current housing system in other thread, therefore I will not repeat it again in this one. All I can say to you is give it time, the current housing system work and they are trying to improve it, upgrade the quality of life before add more.

Begin from here

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

give it time, I had explained about the current housing system in other thread, therefore I will not repeat it again in this one. All I can say to you is give it time, the current housing system work and they are trying to improve it, upgrade the quality of life before add more.

Begin from here

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It's actually far easier to do individually instanced housing because you don't need to have every single instance running simultaneously forever like you do with the wards. I know perfectly well how the current housing system works, and I'm more than familiar with SE's excuses. Their plans will not solve the fundamental flaws in their system.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

It's actually far easier to do individually instanced housing because you don't need to have every single instance running simultaneously forever like you do with the wards. I know perfectly well how the current housing system works, and I'm more than familiar with SE's excuses. Their plans will not solve the fundamental flaws in their system.

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do you....even read the link I linked, there are more posts below of the discussion ? or you simple say : no dynamic immersive, no fishing, no gardening dynamic. I want house and I want it now, even if I have to go out & in to update gardening in my individuel housing instance. This is how I understand

They need to take the word "cant" out of their vocabulary.

Instanced housing is MUST for any worthy improvement, don't settle, push for the game to be the best. Its too new to be so limited.

Please make ffxiv the best SE and vastly revamp housing.