Only 2 dungeons per now vs 3....terrible idea

So I read an article where Yoshida mentioned that future patches are going to be 2 dungeons instead of 3 per patch...to focus on different mechanics

Whelp, if 3.0 expert dungeons are what he's talking about then please re-think this. I've pretty much stopped running ex roulette because its so boring with only 2. Adding 1 more seems trivial...but when you are asking your players to run them over...and over...and over............and over again 3 is better than 2.

If they want to develop more, new types of content like he said, they have to get the resources to do that from somewhere. If greater Square isn't willing to provide them, they have to reallocate them from other content development.

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Originally Posted by willowmyer

So I read an article where Yoshida mentioned that future patches are going to be 2 dungeons instead of 3 per patch...to focus on different mechanics

Whelp, if 3.0 expert dungeons are what he's talking about then please re-think this. I've pretty much stopped running ex roulette because its so boring with only 2. Adding 1 more seems trivial...but when you are asking your players to run them over...and over...and over............and over again 3 is better than 2.

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I never liked expert roulette because of this. While the dungeons are fun, having only 2 or 3 in a random roulette kills any sense of variety, especially when it comes to getting your weekly currency. They should at least keep expert roulette as its own tier (heavensward lvl 60 dungeons) and enforce an ilvl sync, like they have done for high level roulette.

This is scary when you see that you get an expansion and you start to get less dungeons. I'm also asking myself if we will still get 1 primal each patch too.

So 3 dungeons where you always have the same manner behind them, 3 bosses, 30 mins around is worse then them actually trying to create more unique content?

Yes more variety in your dungeons is good, but when the only thing to do is nothing but dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, that gets very grindy and boring no matter how many different skins you put on it.

They're not cutting development time, they're just moving resources so they can develop more different kinds of content. Which has been asked for a lot, and a number of players complained about the lack of different types of content.

It's what people predicted when the cash shop came up: less content in favor of more things in the cash shop. This is just the beginning! You'll see.

Probably saving the good stuff for expansions this way the expansions offer more while updates offer less.

To me I don't know if that's a good idea or bad idea cause then you have to keep people playing and interested in the game by adding content because this game runs out fast.

they can try to move manpower for develop new content and unique mechanic, the trouble is the dungeon, 2 or 3, will still have the main flaws behind it....
no replayability! when you have done it a few time, you will know every monster location, skill, patrol and pattern to the point that it become boring and annoying to do it.

they must focus on add random and replayability to the content. it's urgent!

That's just the thing....Yoshida mentioned less dungeons = better mechanics....but do you feel that's what 3.0 dungeons are? I actually really liked most of the 50+ leveling dungeons...absolutely loved the vault....so it's sad to see that we're stuck with 2 ex dungeons when the vault/library could have easily been tweaked for the ex roulette...which i'm sure 1 of them at least will show up in the 3.1 ex roulette as a hard mode :(

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Originally Posted by myahele

It's what people predicted when the cash shop came up: less content in favor of more things in the cash shop. This is just the beginning! You'll see.

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Not sure you actually understand what is happening. They are diverting resources by doing 2 dungeons per patch instead of 3 in order to give you something else. We are trading AAA for AAB not AA. -_____-

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Originally Posted by Daralii

If they want to develop more, new types of content like he said, they have to get the resources to do that from somewhere. If greater Square isn't willing to provide them, they have to reallocate them from other content development.

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Or they could maybe not do some of the new things until they actually have resources, instead of making another part of their game suffer?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Or they could maybe not do some of the new things until they actually have resources, instead of making another part of their game suffer?

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You know what's funny? No matter what approach the game goes, people will complain. ALWAYS. Now, lets say they kept with the same gist. 3 dungeons per patch. Then you'll have a thread saying "I'm tired of the same thing. They are giving us these dungeons but it's basically the same! We grind these dungeons in EX roulette for tomes and it just becomes a boring grindfest" Know how I know? cause it ALWAYS pops up after every patch. Now that they stated they wanted to try new things and try something different "Woah! don't do that! Only 2 new dungeons? Honestly it's the end"

My advice? We wait to see what they have to offer and see if it brings us something good. But it gets tired when people bring the doom and gloom to the game when we haven't received much news yet.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Not sure you actually understand what is happening. They are diverting resources by doing 2 dungeons per patch instead of 3 in order to give you something else. We are trading AAA for AAB not AA. -_____-

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They did a pretty good job at releasing content during 2.XX

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Originally Posted by myahele

They did a pretty good job at releasing content during 2.XX

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Still don't think you understand. They are still releasing the same level of content. The style of part of that content is simply something else. I'd gladly do with 2 dungeons instead of 3 per patch if it means a bigger variety of content is added instead.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Or they could maybe not do some of the new things until they actually have resources, instead of making another part of their game suffer?

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And if they don't get more resources? Does that mean we don't get any new things? What makes you assume they will have enough resources added to their development team to facilitate the development of newer content?

Ive said it before but if we ever want new forms of content it means we do without other things. I'm holding my judgment somewhat to see exactly what they do with the EX roulette. If its only two dungeons it will be a problem. If they add the two new dungeons to the pre existing EX roulette I think it will be less of a problem, particularly over time as more dungeons get added.

What it will come down to is the question on if the new forms of content in development are a worthy trade. Yoshi P said himself you can never be sure when you try new thing. However if they don't try then it means we never see the game evolve.

It sounds like the resources used for that third dungeon are being spent on developing the Sky Island exploration for FC Airships. While that has the potential to be excluding of people not in guilds with Airships, people outside a guild can be invited to expeditions and I suspect there will be FCs looking for pugs to fill their groups for expeditions. This also has the potential to build a stronger more interactive server community.

How the chips fall though we will have to wait and see.

I preffer higher quality content that speedy massive patches. And i hope, for less grindy content too...

I'm thoroughly convinced that the FFXIV community will never be happy no matter what SE does.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm thoroughly convinced that the FFXIV community will never be happy no matter what SE does.

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Pretty much, but such is true for most forums of a game, movie, book, etc

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Originally Posted by Belhi

And if they don't get more resources? Does that mean we don't get any new things? What makes you assume they will have enough resources added to their development team to facilitate the development of newer content?

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Didn't Yoshida state that FFXIV was a success, and a hit multiple times? They do have enough money to fund additional development team staff, but it'll eat into their profits so of course they won't.

I'll trade another dungeon for a new form of content any day.

he want see more challange to players not less look how wow did it they never push players to challange them more

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm thoroughly convinced that the FFXIV community will never be happy no matter what SE does.

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No community is never happy no matter what a game does. But being "moderate" usually helps it a lot. And sometimes the community send very clear messages... FFXIV lacks moderation in many areas, which leads to people to voice the extreme positions more often, which makes it look like a community of people that is never happy way too often...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Didn't Yoshida state that FFXIV was a success, and a hit multiple times? They do have enough money to fund additional development team staff, but it'll eat into their profits so of course they won't.

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Quite possibly but isn't the dev team's call. All they can do is decide on what to spend the resources they have allocated to them on. They have a lot of stuff they are trying to develop. We have the GC unit stuff, Gold Saucer stuff, the raids, the Airship content (FC group content is seriously under represented in the game), Dungeons, Raids, and of course more MSQ and side story content. Plus who knows what else. They also have to develop enough content to satisfy a player base with very broad tastes. Then there is the fact that they will have already started on development of the next expac and any future features they want to add there.

With all those things to spread resources across added resources are bound to be spread rather widely. This is unavoidable simply by virtue that the nature of MMOs, diverse playerbase tastes and the fact that resources aren't things simply saved up or added in chunks since we are talking about people who would needed to be integrated into the current team and development system.

Yoshida stated that in place of making a 3rd dungeon every patch they were going to release a new type of content to add variety. Then again I guess people will cherry pick and bitch about the game no matter what. The FC Airship quests is the first of this new dev plan.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm thoroughly convinced that the FFXIV community will never be happy no matter what SE does.

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It's a cycle that will never end. BUT, when given insight like interviews and live-letters that give us a vector as to where the development team is heading...it's not unreasonable to actually talk about future updates/changes. The whole idea of going from 3 to 2 dungeons is to increase the overall quality and diversity...do you feel like 3.0 ex roulette is accomplishing this? I don't, and while I'm looking forward to new types of content...I'm also getting really, really bored of 2 dungeons that I really have no reason to do.

Until they implement the new relic quest line...there is no REASON to do anything but end-game stuff. Cap tomes, meh, next patch they will most likely have us (relic or not) doing something with the 50+ dungeons (and will most certainly have to do them for the relic).

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Originally Posted by Belhi

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I'm well aware it's not the devs team's decision, but as they've said dungeons are cheap and easy to develop (quote from Yoshida). Is spending that little extra money to guarantee the player base too much to ask for? Yes they'll need to be trained and integrated into the team, but in the long run I think it's worth it.

I just really don't want a repeat of WoW. The dungeons in Wrath were downright amazing, visually interesting, interesting fights etc. and soon after they switched their focus. They barely get any dungeons at the start of the expac to begin with, not to mention the lack of them in content patches. Where were those resources likely placed? Garrisons, everyone loves those.

If whatever they're replacing the content with is different, interesting and fun but also appeals to the same type of player I'm fine with it. Otherwise they're taking away content and replacing it with something the majority of the playerbase don't care about, or can't access (FC airship content for almost every smaller FC that's been made in the past few months due to the lack of housing).

And for those going "nobody's ever happy", why do you think the forums exist? To discuss current and future content. Without feedback we'd all be stuck in the 1.0 era. Learn to deal with feedback, or don't respond to it with that. Players are allowed to express their discontent.

2 New Dungeons... yeh Terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

Yoshida stated that in place of making a 3rd dungeon every patch they were going to release a new type of content to add variety. Then again I guess people will cherry pick and bitch about the game no matter what. The FC Airship quests is the first of this new dev plan.

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I'm not impressed by them investing further dev time into content that hardly anyone will get to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by myahele

It's what people predicted when the cash shop came up: less content in favor of more things in the cash shop. This is just the beginning! You'll see.

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What dose the cash shop have to do with this?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I'm not impressed by them investing further dev time into content that hardly anyone will get to enjoy.

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So people want more diverse content then complain that we're getting diverse content? Can they ever win?

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

So people want more diverse content then complain that we're getting diverse content? Can they ever win?

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There's a difference between content everyone can access, and only a certain amount of people can access that's not due to the fault of the player, but "server limitations" that they'll never fix.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm thoroughly convinced that the FFXIV community will never be happy no matter what SE does.

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I've been saying that for years... just more in general with pretty much every community I set foot into. It's why my sig is the way it is around here too.

If the new types of content rewards the current top tome, I'm all for one less dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Didn't Yoshida state that FFXIV was a success, and a hit multiple times? They do have enough money to fund additional development team staff, but it'll eat into their profits so of course they won't.

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Which gives us two things to assume.

A) XIV's not making as much as people think. No company would come out and say "We're losing subs" or anything, that would turn away potential profits.

B) "Spend money to make (more) money" doesn't apply to things anymore and it's become "Spend as little money and try to get more money". Which in a way, can be true of SE, at least outside of Japan. Take a look at all the XIV events Japan gets yearly, not to mention the advertising and other things. Now take a look at what we get outside Japan. The same went for XI. Plenty of advertising and promo events / merchandise in Japan. 1 commercial and like 3? 4? merchandise outside Japan.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Still don't think you understand. They are still releasing the same level of content. The style of part of that content is simply something else. I'd gladly do with 2 dungeons instead of 3 per patch if it means a bigger variety of content is added instead.

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But it doesn't necessarily mean we will get more quality each patch. They're essentially taking away from one part of the game to focus on another. Look at 2.XX patches the main focuses were between raids, dungeons and story. Everything else was a bit subpar in my eyes, crafting and gathering never really got much attention, FCs got absolutely nothing, PvP was minimally looked into and even the Gold Saucer wasn't really touched after it was dropped. Them taking away from the areas of the game they focused on in the past to focus on more variety is a bit alarming once you actually look at all the things they didn't bother to expand on in the past.

Did you really have to make a new thread when there's already an existing one titled, "Only two new expert dungeons every patch?" I'll repeat what I said there:

This is an instance of people never being satisfied with anything. People complain that new content is "just the same with different skins", and then when they say they're going to be doing something different, people still complain.

Lets summarize the facts:

Devs are currently overworked- hence schedule changes to alleviate the stress- Yoshi doesn't want them to quit- the cost of training and getting a new dev is much larger than keeping them. Esp. devs that are passionate about FF.

just last week they was what over 20 pages long of ppl saying they want innovation- well guess Yoshi was heard you cuz BAM - you getting something new that is never been tried before. Even yoshi said it is risky and players may not like it. Worst thing- hell it sucks- then we go back to 3 dungeons- at least the devs

If devs have a set budget and set time- guess what resources are being Reallocated NOT CUT. I love the 50+ dungeons but there are MANY MANY threads of people hating them and begging for something new.

He also mentioned new types of side quests outside of the fetch quests. so yes you guys won- he heard you and is implementing it.

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Originally Posted by willowmyer

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I think quite a few people that read that, also didn't see that they want to take that development and put it towards new and more dynamic content that doesn't follow the same cookie cutter style quests and such. So if they are looking to redesign content and the dynamic of it, then yes you are going to lose something because of it. Why not give them a shot instead of complaining about something you don't even know the full details about.

I sure hope they give us more than 4 raid bosses instead. I'll sacrifice dungeons for that.

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Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

I've been saying that for years... just more in general with pretty much every community I set foot into. It's why my sig is the way it is around here too.

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Ah, Bill Cosby. A shining example of what a community should aspire to be.