Help:Scholar eso weapon

Hi there!
Im not sure if i should buy the eso weapon for my SCH or buy the body/hat piece instead.Well im currently in a static and we want to do savage in the future so i want to make a wise decision.Can someone help me?;D

Get the weapon, it's the biggest upgrade for any job.

@Taika
No its not. At the moment it is not the biggest upgrade for SCH I even heard bards being unhappy about their bow upgrade. Fact is you can get 2 body pieces at the moment and get the same benefit you'd get from the weapon, especially if you want to hold onto every crit stat you have.
Personally I'd recommend going for body and boots or hat.

Does anyone actually know 100% how crit hit rate works lately ? Because even stacking maximum doesn't really give more than 15%?

Weapon however has damage increase(healing increase), but i can't believe square would give SCH a weapon with spell speed >.>

I rather have more mind, piety and also more weapon power than hoping for any critical to proc.

Secondary stats are basically meaningless in XIV. Yes, an extra 5% chance to get a crit Adlo is nice, but more WD, MND and VIT will always be better IMO. You should only really start to worry about secondary stats when you have the choice between two pieces of gear of the same ilvl, where only the secondaries are different.

Sure but if you can hold onto the 5% and yet get the same constant healing benefit you'd get from the weapon, I"ll do that.

I meat 5% extra crit total from all crit on your gear. The 90 crit on a weapon is less than 1%

I could have sworn I wrote "5%". :P Nonetheless I don't think the weapon is the best first piece to buy.

IMO for SCH is is either weapon or body first, then the other one second.

Personally went for the body first since I didn't have all the shafts for the i190 one.

If you have the Hive weapon, first eso purchase could go either way. If you don't have the Hive weapon, I'd definitely get the eso book first despite its less attractive secondaries.

As always ^ this man speaks sense, haha.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

If you have the Hive weapon, first eso purchase could go either way. If you don't have the Hive weapon, I'd definitely get the eso book first despite its less attractive secondaries.

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I agree with that, it depend where you start.
If you have the Gogyo Sosei Kai and go for the Antiquated Elements, then you have a huge boost in stat.
But if you start from the Hive book then the boost is not good (and you lose so much in crit)

The eso book is good if yours is 170 or 180
Otherwise, if you have the Hive weapon go for the Body then Hat

ok ty for the help^^

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

But if you start from the Hive book then the boost is not good (and you lose so much in crit)

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I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.

IMO assuming you're capping each week and not doing savage/not getting any drops from savage:
Week 3: weapon
Week 4: off ring
week 5: body
Week 7: legs
week 8: boots
Week 9: hat
week 10:hand
week 11: wrist
week 12: neck
week 13: ear
week 14: waist

based on pure mnd/eso and giving pref to crit when mnd/eso are equivalent.

Do not sacrifice ilvl for crit. Secondary scale back is drastic.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.

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If you're in full i190 alex right now + hive weapon youre 100 wd/944 mnd/621 crit.

Switching out for antiquated elements brings you to 102wd/953mnd/538 crit.

Guestimating based off the drg stat weights being floated around, wd is worth something close to 9-10 of a primary stat making this an effective gain of ~30 mind for a loss of 1.5% crit chance (11 vs 9.5%).

The combination of secondary scaleback and the increased gaps between different ilvl gear (meaning there is a bigger boost of mnd/10 ilvls than in 2.xx) means that ilvl is the most important thing.

It depends if you DPS or not. Eso is a straight up DPS increase over Hive. Crit doesn't make up for Mind + Weapon Damage, and Spellspeed is best on a SCH, who can take advantage of the 3.0 buffs the most.

If you don't Cleric Stance much, you can go for something else.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.

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Well if you have the Hive it is +2 weapons damage and +9 mind, and If you have the 180 chest it is +15 mind. It's fairly close. Also when you factor in the crit on the weapon you get to keep (although you are going to lose it no matter what eventually, until relic) and the slight defense boost of the chest make the chest a decent first buy.

Also @ckc22 the gordian legs have 94 crit on them and wil be bis, so if you recommend buying order I would consider that.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

Also @ckc22 the gordian legs have 94 crit on them and wil be bis, so if you recommend buying order I would consider that.

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You're looking at 16+9=25 mind versus +15 mind from the chest, assuming 1 wd=8 mind.
The numbers are actually higher if you go by the strat weights others are throwing out of 20+9=29 with 1 point wd=10 mind. Personally I find that more significant than the crit you lose.

It is interesting, you are the only person who mentions the legs. I think there are 100 of these threads on reddit all asking about the chest but not legs. They will be bis which makes me wonder how many of these threads are asthetically driven.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

They will be bis which makes me wonder how many of these threads are asthetically driven.

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Almost all of them, you can just tell that progressing in Alexander Savage isn't on their priority lists from just reading their comments.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

Well if you have the Hive it is +2 weapons damage and +9 mind, and If you have the 180 chest it is +15 mind. It's fairly close. Also when you factor in the crit on the weapon you get to keep (although you are going to lose it no matter what eventually, until relic) and the slight defense boost of the chest make the chest a decent first buy.

Also @ckc22 the gordian legs have 94 crit on them and wil be bis, so if you recommend buying order I would consider that.

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First off wd is estimated at close to 10 of a primary stat so the weapon is almost double the chest piece.

Second I included a qualifier that said assuming no alex gear - obviously obtaining BiS by mixing and matching with savage gear will change things up a bit but it's too individualized to fit in the context of what my post was trying to get at.

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Originally Posted by Akyio

Does anyone actually know 100% how crit hit rate works lately ? Because even stacking maximum doesn't really give more than 15%?

Weapon however has damage increase(healing increase), but i can't believe square would give SCH a weapon with spell speed >.>

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Gotta remember, stats are scaled now to be viable to the end of 3.x, where gear is going to have more stats. We weren't at a 25% crit rate at the beginning of 2.x, either. And yes, we do know:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mage_formulae/

Critical Hit Chance: ((CRT-354)*0.0233)+4.9511233

In essence, every 43 points of crit will increase your critical rate 1%.

Scholar weapon sucks. Don't blindly go for it if you have the hive weapon. 83 crit is a lot, and even I can notice a difference in that.

The way scholar works, even if you just crit a couple more times a fight, that still more than makes up for a little less mind. Weapon will be the dead last thing I buy, if I get it at all. Relic is around the corner anyway!

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Scholar weapon sucks. Don't blindly go for it if you have the hive weapon. 83 crit is a lot, and even I can notice a difference in that.

The way scholar works, even if you just crit a couple more times a fight, that still more than makes up for a little less mind. Weapon will be the dead last thing I buy, if I get it at all. Relic is around the corner anyway!

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This would be true if stat weights were the same as before 3.0 hit, but sadly this is not the case.

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Originally Posted by Wizarus

Spellspeed is best on a SCH, who can take advantage of the 3.0 buffs the most.

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This is the exact opposite of true. Thanks to the 3.0 Scholar changes, Scholar gets the least benefit from Spellspeed of any class, including Summoner.

1. Embrace's throughput gains less from SS, since its recast is longer than its cast time. No matter what, Scholar's healing gets less from SS than WHM and AST's as a result.
2. Cleric Stance has a hard time gate of 5 seconds. No amount of SS will let you add a fourth action in that time.
3. Thanks to Broil, Scholar damage is now gated by MP rather than by GCD. SS will not allow you to cast more Broils against Savage content; Piety will.

So, where does that leave us? SS increases your DoT damage by less than Determination, and is the third-best stat at improving your chain cast heals. Every other stat (including Piety) is better than SS for those things, and it's not particularly close

Putting math aside, the average player isn't goin to see a savage weapon for months. You are going to buy it eventually, why on earth would you hold out on getting it?

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Originally Posted by Pentt

Putting math aside, the average player isn't goin to see a savage weapon for months. You are going to buy it eventually, why on earth would you hold out on getting it?

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I believe its because players believe that getting two pieces of armor is better than getting the weapon, its more or less a question of "Is this the right purchase at this point of time?"

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Originally Posted by Kyani

Embrace's throughput is not affected by SS. No matter what, Scholar's healing gets less from SS than WHM and AST's.

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This is incorrect. Spell speed does affect pets.

From the 3.0 patch notes:

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In order to receive the effects of the caster's spell speed attribute, all pet actions excluding auto-attacks have been changed to elemental damage.

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Originally Posted by Litner

I believe its because players believe that getting two pieces of armor is better than getting the weapon, its more or less a question of "Is this the right purchase at this point of time?"

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But by the time you buy the weapon after using that many esoterics you could have gotten enough shafts for the 190 chest. Doesn't make much sense.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

This is incorrect. Spell speed does affect pets.

From the 3.0 patch notes:

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I looked it up, and it looks like you're correct - it does affect her recast time, which marginally improves her time-per-heal. I had been under the impression that her recast stayed the same, because the tooltip doesn't update (and it's very difficult to notice without adding a ton of SS), but that's incorrect. I'll update to a more accurate version of the pet SS interaction.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

First off wd is estimated at close to 10 of a primary stat so the weapon is almost double the chest piece.

Second I included a qualifier that said assuming no alex gear - obviously obtaining BiS by mixing and matching with savage gear will change things up a bit but it's too individualized to fit in the context of what my post was trying to get at.

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My mistake, I did not see the part about no savage drops. And I did not hear that wd was being estimated at close to ten. Between that and what ss I am curious to find out more about our stat weights.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

My mistake, I did not see the part about no savage drops. And I did not hear that wd was being estimated at close to ten. Between that and what ss I am curious to find out more about our stat weights.

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That's based off of the DRG estimate. BLM/SMN and WHM/AST/SCH have a much lower weapon weight, because we don't derive damage from our autoattacks in the way that physical classes do. This, in turn, drives the value of secondary stats up, which is why we're having this discussion.

The hive weapon is still better than the Eso weapon. If you use eso weapon you just lose almost 100 crit. But maybe it's just a matter of taste.

I'll don't change my hive weapon for the news actual weapons personnaly. I can't lose too much crit.

EDIT: I just read some comments and I'm probably wrong. I don't know. But still prefer to buy gear and jewelry pieces first. I can reach 800 crit but don't know how much %crit is.

weapon if you are doing A3S right now or will be in 2 weeks. otherwise do whatever because it doesnt matter

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Originally Posted by Khyan

The hive weapon is still better than the Eso weapon. If you use eso weapon you just lose almost 100 crit. But maybe it's just a matter of taste.

I'll don't change my hive weapon for the news actual weapons personnaly. I can't lose too much crit.

EDIT: I just read some comments and I'm probably wrong. I don't know. But still prefer to buy gear and jewelry pieces first. I can reach 800 crit but don't know how much %crit is.

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Accessories are basically the worst thing you can spend it on with the exception of your ring that lags 10 ilvls behind.

Giving up ilvl for crit is a bad idea.

Thanks for the tip.

It's two weapon dmg off Hive weapon. It's not worth the stats you could be getting from multiple pieces of gear(even defense from chest). Unless you have access to a4 upgrade, it is not worth it.

Weapon first biggest upgrade know what world first people got ...... weapons first :O shocking I know lol

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Originally Posted by Benedictrine

It's two weapon dmg off Hive weapon. It's not worth the stats you could be getting from multiple pieces of gear(even defense from chest). Unless you have access to a4 upgrade, it is not worth it.

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If you have access to A4S and down it... then go for the Gordian Codex !
Both gordian AST & SCH weapon are good
WHM have a choice depend of their play style (Crit or SS)

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Originally Posted by Miiu

@Taika
No its not. At the moment it is not the biggest upgrade for SCH I even heard bards being unhappy about their bow upgrade. Fact is you can get 2 body pieces at the moment and get the same benefit you'd get from the weapon, especially if you want to hold onto every crit stat you have.
Personally I'd recommend going for body and boots or hat.

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Then those bards are stupid. They're already far enough behind in WD even at the same ilvl, dropping ilvl for secondary stats that have been majorly scaled back in 3.0 is idiotic.

Crit chance has also been scaled back greatly and forgoing ilvl to stack it is also stupid on sch.