So, why does the "light party to advance to the next stage of FC crafting" exist?

Like, I just simply don't understand its purpose. It's especially annoying when you have FC members who aren't willing to at least spend 1-2 minutes of their time to serve as advancement fodder.

Because its FC crafting, not solo crafting?

Yeah, they need to get rid of this.

I'd honestly like it more if they made said members do something instead of watching me finish. I mean, I am not adverse to the party mechanic, but when you literally just need three warm bodies to finish with no real context, it just becomes silly.

It is silly that they are just there to stand by and watch while 1 person does most or all of the work.
You don't even have to press buttons or anything.

i personally i dont because i see a return on the items,now it would be different if could send my retainer as deckhand and when the airship returns it brings me loot or something that would be group thing, like the more retainers the ship as the better the overall loot the ship gets with retainers bring back something for those sent theres. the fc still get there loot from the ship

yes, it's silly that FC crafting requires an FC full of people to participate ._.

The alternative as started in the Q&A is that you can complete steps with players who aren't in your FC, perhaps even with the PF system <.<

It's useless for my FC. I'm the only one who into DoH stuff and the member who active is only my Leader and me (Yet he still purchase aircraft room even he didn't realize it needs party to make it ._. ).

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Originally Posted by Ryel

yes, it's silly that FC crafting requires an FC full of people to participate ._.

The alternative as started in the Q&A is that you can complete steps with players who aren't in your FC, perhaps even with the PF system <.<

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It's not silly that it requires an FC full of people to participate.

It is silly that "participation" entails watching my glorious arse while I finish it myself.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Because its FC crafting, not solo crafting?

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This isn't even a good point since it does not require FC members in said light party. I do it sometimes with friends from other companies.

It exists to make you come to the forums to make you ask why it exists.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

Like, I just simply don't understand its purpose. It's especially annoying when you have FC members who aren't willing to at least spend 1-2 minutes of their time to serve as advancement fodder.

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On the other hand, if your fc doesn't have 3 fc members (only 3!) who are willing to give 1-2 minutes...

What kind of fc is it? Where's the teamwork? It's 2 minutes max! Why are there so few members who care about helping the fc?

It's a really, really small requirement. If your fc can't meet it, maybe think about the type of members you have...

It's a compromise between the one extreme requiring 4 "real" crafters and making them craft things within a tight time span that 2 of the best crafters couldn't possibly finish, and the other extreme of allowing everything solo.

It's a compromise between content that is relevant to its name (crafting) and accessibility ("why do I have to xxx to get my rewards!?").

The point is to make it feel as you've accomplished something as a group. I think it succeeds at that.

Not saying it is or isn't right to screw smaller fcs because of it, but that's the point.

That light to full party stuff is total crap how it is now.

I really hoped for real crafting as a group.

But get 4 ppl together just to watch a cutscene?

Sorry. That was not what I was expecting.

All party members don't have to be max level either just a DoH job

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I'd honestly like it more if they made said members do something instead of watching me finish. I mean, I am not adverse to the party mechanic, but when you literally just need three warm bodies to finish with no real context, it just becomes silly.

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You know, you CAN ask others to do things. We usually split our work between 3-4 people - they get exp for turning stuff in, after all. The person who can handle the lowest level stuff does so, then it filters up from there with the 50+ blacksmiths handling the darksteel ingots.

Much more exciting to have it all filled up and then have the leader press the button that way.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

The point is to make it feel as you've accomplished something as a group. I think it succeeds at that.

Not saying it is or isn't right to screw smaller fcs because of it, but that's the point.

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I have three other doofuses that are standing off screen as we (are not) look at the hologram flash a brilliant light. It's not exactly capturing the whole context of group crafting and at best, is incredibly underwhelming to necessitate a light party of crafters.

This is one of the worst ideas SE have come up with.
How my fc thought it would be: Need lots and lots of things so we need to split the work up to finiah fater. Me as a DoL only would provide them with mats. We would work together to get it.

How it turned out:
Oh yay we are finallly 4 online lets do fc crafting?
Person one from europe: just gonna finish this dungeon
person two from australia: if we hurry need to logout
Person three from the us: i can join your group and afk and hope i dont get auto logout.

So when we all ready: 3 ppl afk and one person turns it in. So disappointed SE ruined yet another great idea

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Originally Posted by Catwho

You know, you CAN ask others to do things. We usually split our work between 3-4 people - they get exp for turning stuff in, after all. The person who can handle the lowest level stuff does so, then it filters up from there with the 50+ blacksmiths handling the darksteel ingots.

Much more exciting to have it all filled up and then have the leader press the button that way.

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I know. And I do! Other people in the FC actually want to help out, because I like my FC members. Doesn't mean some steps haven't been, and most people's experiences haven't been, "Get the boys in here to watch me press the button". It's underwhelming.

Sorry, I can't hear you. I'm currently trapped in my basement, buried under a truckload of vivianite. If anyone lives in Mist ward 5, please send help.

i wish the requirement was just having the "light party" or "full party" status... but does not need to be there, especially since finding peoples place can be such a pain in the butt if it's not your FC.

They explained themselves in the live letter on Friday the 10th. While it may not be the explanation people were looking for or expecting, this is their stance on it for now. Just be thankful and luck to actually own a FC house you can do this in...

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Q54. It’s difficult to get four players for company crafting with a small FC. Do you have plans to remove the minimum member restriction in the future?

A54. I believe there’s pros and cons to this, we assumed this will create a flow where FC members will gather together for this, but we didn’t make it where it needs be members from the same FC, so if you don’t have enough people, please use the party finder and look for players that are willing to help. That may lead to new members joining the FC. We may remove this restriction in future, however, we do not have plans for this any time soon.

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Feel free to update your OP with this and add whatever comments you see fit to keep the conversation going.

I wish it was more involved than just getting 4 people to hit a button and be done with it. I was expecting a multiple crafter mini game where we pitch in.

Yea, I was curious about this airship building system thing but... its underwheling...

'tis true that the amount of mats required and stuff might be too much for one person to do at a time, so the workload could be splitted... but still can be done by one person...

The only thing that actually requires a party for is the advancement and nothing else :/
'tis more anoying than anything.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

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And thats SE missing the point :/

Sorry about your minor inconvenience, but please continue the witch hunt over it. Good luck.

I agree it's kind of silly. Not for needing a party though, but for needing a party which does absolutely NOTHING. I mean, it's not even as though our stats are taken into consideration, since you can swap to a level 1 weaver and have the same degree of success as a full team of level 60 crafts.

I think if they really want a group craft it needs to be just that. Actual crafting. None of this silly inviting friends over to see a sparkly flash and then disbanding. It's just meaningless as it stands.

It exsists cuz se doesn't expect 1 person to do all the work.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Sorry about your minor inconvenience, but please continue the witch hunt over it. Good luck.

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I don't think the discussion I'm seeing really falls into the witch hunt category. Minor (and justified - the system is silly) grumbling is what I'm seeing.

Has anyone noticed the trend of recruiting people outside of Free Company with Party Finder, asking randoms for two minutes out of their FFXIV lives to help contribute with zero effort and then to ask (demand), for a "Tip" ?

It seems expressing gratitude can only be genuine if provided with coin. I think they ought to remove this or adjust it in whatever way to get people to want to help.

The easiest, logical solution is removing it.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Because its FC crafting, not solo crafting?

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Seems pretty simple to me

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

It exsists cuz se doesn't expect 1 person to do all the work.

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That^ and if you're in a solo FC with a big house, congrats, you own all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have. (And there is the fact that an FC cant be made by 1 person. If you bypassed the signature requirement by paying people for signatures, or getting FCless people to do it and then got rid of them, you shouldn't be complaining. It takes 4 people to form an FC, 4 people to form a light party)

Oh and on top of that you probably own a personal house too. Don't lie now.

This is like a small form of "Just desserts".

Lets petition to have the requirement raised from a light party to a full party!

Edit: inb4 the butt hurt single person FC owners show u- oh wait they're already here.

I'm 100% ok with requiring a group for certain parts of the FC crafting station.

I do, however, wish it had been more than just a cutscene, even if it had been
some button prompt pushes for an extra chance at better progress.

This is just the preliminary introduction to this content. You can bet your sweet butt-cheeks that there will be a lot more of this kind of requirement. If this is a problem and you only need them for a few min and thats a problem for you, then I doubt you will be able to handle the future content. Just a thought.

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If you're in a solo FC with a big house, congrats, you own all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have.

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And yet, that's EXACTLY what Personal Housing is. Personal Housing: "owning all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have."

I'm not sure why you are targeting the minority here (solo FC's) when it's Personal Housing that is wasting so many plots. Solo FC's put that same plot to far more use by default. Furthermore, when housing was released it was ONLY available to FC's (for 9 entire months.) If people wanted to own a house of their own (instead of an Inn room) they were forced to make a solo FC.


On topic: There is no limit to how many workshop materials you can hand in each day (despite what the workshop NPC says.) Collect ALL of the mats you need for every phase for multiple items. -Then- invite three people in Party Finder; pay them for their time, and be on your way. I completed 15 Progress phases (5 different projects) in one fell swoop. It's easy - there are so many people that are Idle in Idyllshire who would be happy to make 25-50k for AFK'ing in your house instead.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

That^ and if you're in a solo FC with a big house, congrats, you own all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have. (And there is the fact that an FC cant be made by 1 person. If you bypassed the signature requirement by paying people for signatures, or getting FCless people to do it and then got rid of them, you shouldn't be complaining. It takes 4 people to form an FC, 4 people to form a light party)

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Or you had friends with alts sign and then drop. Nothing scandalous about it.

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Oh and on top of that you probably own a personal house too. Don't lie now.

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I don't remember seeing anyone claiming they didn't.

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This is like a small form of "Just desserts".

Lets petition to have the requirement raised from a light party to a full party!

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Right. So players who had no control over FC affairs in a large FC - which is the norm for most players but who wanted access to gardening and chocobo things before personal housing came out formed a pocket sized FC and bought a house. Something SE let them do. Something which the terrible implementation of housing allowed. You're making it sound like this is somehow cheating. Got a problem with those of us with a small FC (my situation)? Blame Square. They created the environment that encouraged it.

I still hold to the belief that part of this nonsense is their hope that we'll give up the small FC and go to a large one....where we'll have no control over company housing again. Oh wait, no we won't.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

And yet, that's EXACTLY what Personal Housing is. Personal Housing: "owning all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have."

I'm not sure why you are targeting the minority here (solo FC's) when it's Personal Housing that is wasting so many plots. Solo FC's put that same plot to far more use by default. Furthermore, when housing was released it was ONLY available to FC's (for 9 entire months.) If people wanted to own a house of their own (instead of an Inn room) they were forced to make a solo FC.

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Exactly this. Had they taken the time to do instanced personal housing rather than feeling that a rush job was okay, we wouldn't be here.

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On topic: There is no limit to how many workshop materials you can hand in each day (despite what the workshop NPC says.) Collect ALL of the mats you need for every phase for multiple items. -Then- invite three people in Duty Finder; pay them for their time, and be on your way. I completed 15 Progress phases (5 different items) in one fell swoop. It's easy.

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Yup. This weekend we're going to get our airship built. Getting to level cap took a higher priority for us and we were trudging slowly at that.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

And yet, that's EXACTLY what Personal Housing is. Personal Housing: "owning all of that space only for yourself, and probably do nothing with any of it but make it look pretty for no one but you to see, meaning that is 1 less house for actual group FC's out there to have."

I'm not sure why you are targeting the minority here (solo FC's) when it's Personal Housing that is wasting so many plots. Solo FC's put that same plot to far more use by default. Furthermore, when housing was released it was ONLY available to FC's (for 9 entire months.) If people wanted to own a house of their own (instead of an Inn room) they were forced to make a solo FC.


On topic: There is no limit to how many workshop materials you can hand in each day (despite what the workshop NPC says.) Collect ALL of the mats you need for every phase for multiple items. -Then- invite three people in Duty Finder; pay them for their time, and be on your way. I completed 15 Progress phases (5 different projects) in one fell swoop. It's easy - there are so many people that are Idle in Idylshire who would be happy to make 25-50k for AFK'ing in your house.

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And your point was? Near as I can tell you were slamming people in small FCs for having an FC house and using the resource argument as part of that.

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Hmm, I think it is the people upset by this that are missing the point. How much you wanna bet SE has plans for more content in the future that requires a group and this was just to prepare players for what is to come?

I get the point of this thread is people feel there is no point to having this requirement. I think that was pretty clear.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Hmm, I think it is the people upset by this that are missing the point. How much you wanna bet SE has plans for more content in the future that requires a group and this was just to prepare players for what is to come?

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If they do actual group content that isn't just having to have a party of people in a DoH class while one person does something, I would get that. This particular requirement was pointless. So hopefully if they do this in the future, they think it through more.