A worrying thought about our fame...

Think back on the amount of things our characters have been through; of all the Primals we've slain, the threats we've put an end to and all the people we've saved. We're getting very well known and (as implied in the DRK Questline) increasingly relied upon.

A theory;
Have the people come to expect us to save them from their misfortunes? To fetch their feral cats off roofs or gather twenty rare herbs from the far flung reaches of Eorzea to cure their mother's slight cough?
When something terribly bad goes wrong, I dread to think what will happen when they hope that we will save them, as we always have. I dread to think what could happen if the collectively think this and wish for someone to save them again...

Theoretically, could we end up with a Warrior of Light Primal on our hands...? A twisted ideal image? :confused:

That's a good question. What happens when we eventually die? We probably won't get a answer any time soon but a Primal version of us doesn't seem like it would be too out of nowhere. After all, there was other primals that were summoned because of legend and fame. Shiva for example.

i have little doubt that someone will try to summon us as a primal after our end. ascians are funny that way.

maybe i'll give my other self the yoke when i'm done in eorzea, we can't have that.

This is very much a possibility. The game has gone out of its way to show us how famous we are in 3.0 and how much the common people rely on us to defend them. If any situation were to arise where we were unable to save the day (we wouldn't even need to be dead, just unavailable) there would be a risk of the citizens trying to summon us out of desperation. I even wonder if this was the ascians' original plan for us; having an entire continent summon a primal would surely be more damaging to Hydaelyn than just a beast tribe or city.

As Alberel says, this has been a suspicion for a long while now, but the Ascians seem a bit conflicted now.

Either way, we should probably get some PSAs out to the public about praying to/for any person, place or thing whilst near large quantities of aether, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I even wonder if this was the ascians' original plan for us; having an entire continent summon a primal would surely be more damaging to Hydaelyn than just a beast tribe or city.

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Most likely not their original plan, though I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did consider it for a while. I say probably not the original plan because the second Ascian we meet is Lahabrea, who tells us that our continued existence is incompatible with his plans. Unless that was just him doing his own thing.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I even wonder if this was the ascians' original plan for us; having an entire continent summon a primal would surely be more damaging to Hydaelyn than just a beast tribe or city.

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As I recall from the end of the Final Coil storyline...

This is precisely the reason Alisaie decides Loiusoix's transformation after Carteneau must be kept secret, as enough people with that knowledge would, without hesitation, summon him to complete Eorzea's rebirth. Now that we know that there isn't really anything "special" required to make an image projectable as a primal...

I'd say we can look forward to becoming a primal around the "proper time in the storyline" when primal summoning becomes possible for players. I'm assuming that means there will be a point when we better understand the real "cost" of primal summoning and find a way to be okay with it.

The real danger is from the snowball effect this is going to cause. As per Lahabrea's final words, our power is encroaching on the realm of gods. The more power we attain and the more people we save, the more followers we create. The more people relying on us, the more they turn to us and pray for salvation from evil. Eventually, like Louisoix, we run the risk of becoming what we hate most, a primal.

Lahabrea telling us that living is bad for his plans lines up perfectly with summoning us as a Primal. We die, people want us back...bam, primal WoL

I'd be a pretty awesome primal.

FF16, you get to fight the warriors of light from FF14.

Makes you wonder why they haven't bother with the of WoLs from 5 years ago. Though it seems like they're just a distant memory while our character became The Warrior of Light in the hearts and mind of people.

Additionally, as far as I remember, many of the major fights that took place was pretty much solo unlike most of the fights in 2.XX where we could gather a party of skilled adventurers

Eh some of us from "5" years ago are back and kicking primal ass =).

Honestly it would still take the people a shit ton of crystals to even summon us as a primal. It did at cartenau as well and millions of people praying.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Makes you wonder why they haven't bother with the of WoLs from 5 years ago. Though it seems like they're just a distant memory while our character became The Warrior of Light in the hearts and mind of people.

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The 2 stories were merged into one as 2.x progressed. That way SE would only have to design cut scenes and dialog once, saving time and resources. 1.0 was essentially retconned into 2.0 and is dead and burried.

I'd also like to point out that 2.0's new players and the 1.0 Legacy Players weren't the 1st Warrior(s) of Light as it's implied (Vaguely) that Hydaelyn always selects Warriors of Light to bring the next Astral Era. With them seemingly showing up just before an Umbral Era and ushering in the new Astral era. (The Archons of the 6th Umbral Era possibly being the previous group prior to us now)

So it stands to reason that the WoL would never be needed bad enough between appearances to actually summon as a primal because by the time it gets that bad a new group has been selected. (With the Twelve possibly being the Originals created from part of Hydaelyn's power)

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I'd be a pretty awesome primal.

FF16, you get to fight the warriors of light from FF14.

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that would be scary.

i would make a scary primal. people would summon me expecting an idealized hero and get...well...something that would probably go on an odin style rampage. Curious gorge has nothing on what esteem did to the knights at whitebrim.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

That would be scary.

I would make a scary primal. People would summon me expecting an idealized hero and get... well... something that would probably go on an Odin style rampage. Curious gorge has nothing on what Esteem did to the knights at Whitebrim.

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Could imagine a Summoner as a Primal? Summoning other, probably full-sized Primals to do their bidding would be terrifying to behold.

Something I've actually been thinking about actually...the second-to-last expansion for the game, our character (story-wise atleast) has to go to a far out place and can't help Eorzea with things like Primals and the like because we are finally getting rid of the Ascian threat for good. So when we come back, what do we find? Ourselves "saving" the people of Eorzea...or rather, a Primal version of our character (Light aspected naturally), summonded by the prayer of a whole continent and lots of crystals, with his/her "saving" basically being "tempering EVERYONE TILL THEY STOP FIGHTING." Also may or may not have ended up trapping part, if not all of Hydaelyn's power in our Primal self, meaning our final task to save the Mother Crystal, continent, and world at large is to beat ourselves up.

Admitedly this probably will not happen because it would be hard as hell to make a trial for it, when I was thinking about this it was also in the way of thinking "If FFXIV was a single-player game." type of thing. I have a lot of time to think at work.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Makes you wonder why they haven't bother with the of WoLs from 5 years ago. Though it seems like they're just a distant memory while our character became The Warrior of Light in the hearts and mind of people.

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Originally Posted by Velox

The 2 stories were merged into one as 2.x progressed. That way SE would only have to design cut scenes and dialog once, saving time and resources. 1.0 was essentially retconned into 2.0 and is dead and burried.

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It depends on whether or not you played 1.0, and if so, how far you got in the story. The 2.0 story plays out the same regardless, but if you have a legacy character who made sufficient progress in the 1.0 story, Minfillia has additional lines when you first meet where she marks you as the same Warrior of Light from 1.0. I believe it goes on to say her possession of the Echo is the only reason she remembers you while everyone else in the world forgot, including the other Scions. That's also the only time the dialog is different so far as I'm aware.

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It depends on whether or not you played 1.0, and if so, how far you got in the story. The 2.0 story plays out the same regardless, but if you have a legacy character who made sufficient progress in the 1.0 story, Minfillia has additional lines when you first meet where she marks you as the same Warrior of Light from 1.0. I believe it goes on to say her possession of the Echo is the only reason she remembers you while everyone else in the world forgot, including the other Scions. That's also the only time the dialog is different so far as I'm aware.

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While I'm not Legacy, I know of 2 other points where people remember you: When you restore Cid's memories, it goes as far as him even remembering you are the 1.0 Warrior of Light, and when killing Lahabrea/saving Thancred, everyone who helps you with the Sword of Light part also remembers you (complete with Raubahn noticing Cid smirking and saying "Saved the world you know. Twice." Not sure if thats during or after Lahabrea's death though, I assume after.

Note you get an added scene where Cid remembers you when he remembers everything and these is an added scene at the end of 2.0 where the gc leaders and everyone else remembers you. Also in heavensward Edmont mentions that you kill two Legatus and half a dozen primals. This is all for the 1.0 legacy player that beat united we stand...

Basically same as what the poster above me said

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While I'm not Legacy, I know of 2 other points where people remember you: When you restore Cid's memories, it goes as far as him even remembering you are the 1.0 Warrior of Light, and when killing Lahabrea/saving Thancred, everyone who helps you with the Sword of Light part also remembers you (complete with Raubahn noticing Cid smirking and saying "Saved the world you know. Twice." Not sure if thats during or after Lahabrea's death though, I assume after.

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Oh that's interesting. I remember hearing about the part with Cid's memories now that you mention it, but I never knew about the latter one. My poor legacy character hasn't been touched since 2.0's closed beta.

We help other people because we are adventurers, not because we are the Warrior of Light. Its expected for adventurers to take requests and help the needy. Even with our fame, I seriously doubt that every single NPC we come across would recognize us as the Warrior of Light. To them, we're just another adventurer. We help people and accept requests for a fair price. I don't think there's any thing to worry over a "Primal of Light".

We won't be a primal.While it is true that we have helped coountless people so have other adventurers its just that we tend to go the extra mile..When we do pass away (Unless of course we become immortal - remember the full power of the echo can allow us to be one) and the world gets shrouded in darkness they will pray for a savior and hydaelyn will answer by giving the realm a new Warrior of Light...The only time there is fear of us coming back is if Minfilia or anyone who is very close to us witness our death and goes into deep depression and maybe the ascian will be able to corrupt them like they did with Thancred to summon "Us" back (Tiamat to Bahamut for example).

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We help other people because we are adventurers, not because we are the Warrior of Light. Its expected for adventurers to take requests and help the needy. Even with our fame, I seriously doubt that every single NPC we come across would recognize us as the Warrior of Light. To them, we're just another adventurer. We help people and accept requests for a fair price. I don't think there's any thing to worry over a "Primal of Light".

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Without spoiling too much...play the 30-50 DRK story. No not every person recognizes us as such, but it does show how much they really do think of us at times (keyword: At times.)

Yeah, a primal Warrior of Light would be a really, really bad idea, as suggested by

your shadow from 2.x, with Haurchefant and Ysayle's deaths and Estinien being enslaved by Nidhogg on top of it

during the DRK 50 quest. Considering primals are perversions of whatever they're based on with their negative traits turned up to eleven, a primal Warrior of Light would probably just be a crazed lunatic more fit to be a slasher movie villain than a hero.

Then again, if a primal Warrior of Light were created / summoned more like Louisoix's Phoenix transformation (e.g. without Ascian influence), it might not be such a bad thing. Heck, maybe we already are a primal...

Let's get more fundamental here with some Main Scenario L60 spoilers.

Archbishop Thordan VII empowered himself to become a primal by virtue of a millennium of prayer and one powerful source of aether - the 2nd eye.

How do you beat it? Perhaps by utilising the prayers of a continent and one powerful source of aether - Mother Hydaelyn.

I think we're already well down the rabbit hole here, folks.

But for now, we can probably be fortunate that no one is trying to summon us using paragon-taught arts.
But will they...?

For now, I think that we are safe because we are not so well known or revered so fervently. There's still many of the common folk that didn't even know you existed, til you came and helped. Even those minor NPCs that do remember you, only do so as "the adventurer of some note who helped us", not "the savior of mankind".

but if it does come to a point where the people place all their hopes and dreams on our image, I would want to see a route where we ascend to godhood as the 13th member of the pantheon, whose element is Aether

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Heck, maybe we already are a primal...

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Dammit Cilia, thats been my theory since half way through 3.0 when we're told we're hope incarnate/by the end when we're told where not mortal.

With seeing the Archbishop and his 12 knights + Ysayle, who was also Hydaelyn's chosen, I certainly IS possible for the WoL to become a self-controlled Primal. But that will never happen due to plot.

I'm inclined to say that the WoL is possessed by an echo wielder, but that intro scene we've seen seems to happen to all Echo weilders such as the Waking Sand's Arenvald

It is interesting, we are pretty much Hydaelyn's "sword" to cut down all that oppose Her will.

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Originally Posted by Velox

The 2 stories were merged into one as 2.x progressed. That way SE would only have to design cut scenes and dialog once, saving time and resources. 1.0 was essentially retconned into 2.0 and is dead and burried.

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No it wasn't, there are Legacy cutscenes in Heavensward. One that comes to mind has Count Edmont saying that I defeated TWO Imperial Legatuses (the second one being Nael Van Darnus).

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It depends on whether or not you played 1.0, and if so, how far you got in the story. The 2.0 story plays out the same regardless, but if you have a legacy character who made sufficient progress in the 1.0 story, Minfillia has additional lines when you first meet where she marks you as the same Warrior of Light from 1.0. I believe it goes on to say her possession of the Echo is the only reason she remembers you while everyone else in the world forgot, including the other Scions. That's also the only time the dialog is different so far as I'm aware.

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No, there's a whole cutscene with Cid when he gets his memories back, as well as one after Praetorium. Count Edmont also mentions that we defeated two Imperial Legatuses early in Heavensward. There are others as well, I think, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.

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No, there's a whole cutscene with Cid when he gets his memories back, as well as one after Praetorium. Count Edmont also mentions that we defeated two Imperial Legatuses early in Heavensward. There are others as well, I think, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.

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Uhm... I don't have a Legacy account and I still got the Cid scene.

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Uhm... I don't have a Legacy account and I still got the Cid scene.

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Did he say that he remembered you and the floating isle and how you both thought that it had ended it that day and to not worry a person of your talents would be remembered? That was the added cut scene for that part.

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Originally Posted by Echofalls

A theory;
Have the people come to expect us to save them from their misfortunes? To fetch their feral cats off roofs or gather twenty rare herbs from the far flung reaches of Eorzea to cure their mother's slight cough?
When something terribly bad goes wrong, I dread to think what will happen when they hope that we will save them, as we always have. I dread to think what could happen if the collectively think this and wish for someone to save them again...

Theoretically, could we end up with a Warrior of Light Primal on our hands...? A twisted ideal image? :confused:

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It could happen. Probably not untill the very end of FFXIV, but it certainly could.

Another possibility is to end up like class zero in type-0. People were so used to us saving them that when tempus finis came and class zero couldn't solve it immediately, people started resenting them and eventually saw them as villains.