プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。
ジャンプについて活発なディスカッションありがとうございます。
検討中項目について、紛らわしい状態を生んでいるので、一旦整理しておきますね。
ジャンプの検討⇒
・感情表現のひとつ
・移動中動作表現の追加
・小さな柵はこれで越えられてもOK（これが本筋ではないです）
他のプレイヤーとの待ち合わせのときに場所を知らせるためにジャンプしたり、
NPCの位置を指し示したり、感情表現的なジャンプは、細かく色々使えると思っています。
が「皆が飛び跳ねて美観を損ねる」「FFらしくない」はちょっと意外な反応だったので、
なるほど、と思って検討材料に加えています。
「大地に縛られている感」を軽減したいというのが吉田の根幹にありますが、
引き続きみなさんの議論を見せて頂きつつ、実装すべきかどうか検討を続けますね！
MAPコリジョンの調整⇒
・見た目に降りられそうな段差の引っ掛かり
・登れそうに見えて登れない坂の違和感
何人かの方にご指摘頂いていますが、「移動中のストレス緩和」というタスクは、
既に「MAPコリジョンの調整」として開発内テスト中です。
ですので、ジャンプの実装検討とは別に考えて頂けると助かります。
Transulation
Is the producer/director Yoshida.
Thank you for jumping a lively discussion.
It gives birth to misleading State study on Indo-European eyes on, so once arranged.
A study on jump ⇒
-One of emotional expression
-Added move-in movements
Also, small fence is crossed in this OK (this main plot is not)
When meeting up with other players know where to jump or
NPC location to point to a piece the emotion expressive jump over various think I can use.
Is "everyone is jumping up and down and detract from the aesthetic" "FF would not" is because it was kinda surprising reaction
Indeed, in addition to the study material.
Want to reduce your "feeling" tied to the Earth to the Yoshida basis there is a
Continue to study whether the Government showed continue your discussion, while implementing it!
Adjusting the collision MAP > >
And they bump it and get down to the appearance of
-登れ to provide visible breach of contract
Has crowned you mention several people are "stress relaxation of the movement during the task
There is already in testing during development as "adjusting MAP collisions".
So, where guests can think independently from the implementation study on jump would be helpful.
Now ofcorse our MODs are lazy and dont comment on anything here. So who's voice is most heard? Im thinking all the na sayers on our english forums im going to guess Yoshi and the rest are like well the english people hate it and will just never like anything so were going to listen to the main base witch is the japanese players. Sad yes , but do you blam them these forums have ben nothing but a bitch fest sence day 1. MOst things people are bitching about i also agree with. but there comes a point where maybe we should add solutions rather then just blasting the game 24/7
Intresting find on the japanese fourms
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03-11-2011, 12:53 PMDarkRainIntresting find on the japanese fourms
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03-11-2011, 12:56 PMWolfie
The Japanese section is kinda whiny too, broseidon. It's consumer nature.
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03-11-2011, 12:58 PMtrinta
People who wish to be taken seriously when discussing the atmosphere of a forum should use the word "bitch" less.
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03-11-2011, 12:59 PMTeknoman
Yoshi-P stated that we would get a translation of his post soon. I really wouldnt try to take anything from a babelfish/google translate version of the post.
However, it seems to talk about his team working to make current environments more diverse (specifically mentioned redesigning Black Shroud), implementing jump in a way that wont detract from the FF feel of the game/ take away lancer/dragoon's "thunder" from being able to jump.
Apparently a decent amount of japanese players also want some sort of jump mechanic, automatic or otherwise, to navigate environments. -
03-11-2011, 01:04 PMDarkRainWhats wrong with the word bitch? i mean any TV show/radio show/movie or everyday speak somewhere along the line someone will say bitch. If that word offends you sorry your so sheltered. But im very blunt and i call things as i see them no need to sugar coat what is going on here. Again no offenceQuote:
Originally Posted by trinta
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03-11-2011, 01:07 PMtrintaYou look foolish discussing the lack of decorum with... a lack of decorum. That is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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03-11-2011, 01:11 PMDarkRainThats what i got out of the reading also. if you goto the japanese fourms and highlight a section then bing or google (i use bing) transulate you get a basic idea what the convo is like in there. More or less its like the convo on the english forums only difference is there accualy thinking of adding solutions and giving opinions rather then just hateing on the game. and haveing flame wars over itQuote:
Originally Posted by Teknoman
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03-11-2011, 01:12 PMEdyn
Love those Google translates, but an interesting read.
Don't confuse "lazy" with "busy".Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Also I wouldn't call these forums a "bitch fest" either. If you took the time to read some of the threads there are a lot of constructive comments being made. Sadly, due to the state of FFXIV at the moment most comments are usually bringing up negative points. Still, wouldn't class it as "bitching". -
03-11-2011, 01:14 PMDarkRainAgain i know you think its not in good taste or its not to be serious. Well in your opinion that is. But to think im daft then your fooling yourself. but please it dosent matter needless bickering (a.k.a bitching) over a word is well dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by trinta
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03-11-2011, 01:17 PMKilta_Firelotus
ya the jps hayed having that stupid rollanberry fence just as much as anyone. (my guess) or la theine platue (sp) fence. I like a jump for 1 fun thing to do. 2 easyer to get around the world or to quest objectives. If a 3 foot fence is keeping me from a quest completion or safe return to my how town. I would like to jump it. That and jumping fences is fun :)
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03-11-2011, 01:20 PMtrintaYou're right, it is dumb. I'm just tired of seeing people with bad attitudes complaining about bad attitudes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
I understand that the official forums are just like the fansite forums, where people are vocally unhappy. However, people are also vocally getting happier.
Just like you've probably seen one too many posts of "OMG THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED NAO THIS GAME IS TERRIBAD", I think I've just seen one too many posts where someone is being negative while complaining about a negative atmosphere.
Look at it this way--most of our parents taught us not to swear since the age of 18 months. We've all undoubtedly since learned that there are times when using those words are acceptable. However, in an entirely text-based environment that is dedicated to discussion (such as these forums), one person breaking that taboo by calling a complaint "bitching" can very easily lead to the next person deciding it's okay to call someone else stupid.
We're not building a good community vibe, but the way the complaints about this are expressed are often counterproductive--inadvertently and out of frustration, no doubt, but that's all the more reason for us to be aware of the words we choose.
Thanks for sitting through my lecture. >.> -
03-11-2011, 01:22 PMKilta_Firelotus
I agree with OP though. 99% of all posts are bitch fests. All suggestion are barely brain storming sesssions just debates on if they are a good idea or not. Sorry to me thats a bitch fest. Se wants us to not bitch about the game, but post what we find fun and what we would enjoy. So start coming up with ideas od stuff to add to the game that will make it more enjoyable. Add how it can be put in. Give the devs some ideas about what you like so they are not guessing. And putting in stuff you dislike.
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03-11-2011, 01:25 PMKilta_Firelotus
trin take your own advice and stop complaing about his words of choice. It really makes you look silly. Unless saying bitching or bitchfest is against the forum rules. Freedom of speach and expression give him the right to.
What is ruing our community is the needless debates, the political atmosphere and pretty much what you are doing. -
03-11-2011, 01:31 PMDarkRain
agree to disagree but it is what it is
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03-11-2011, 01:33 PMTeknomanOh well yeah, you're right about that. Of course that was kind of a given that our side of the forums would get flooded with "Petition to petition the petition's petition" threads and the like. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Thats not to say we dont have our share of constructive topics, but at least the mods are locking down topics that really have nothing to add/criticize within reason. -
03-11-2011, 01:35 PMDarkRainI really wasent going to go there because it would start a flame war perhaps. But more or less correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-11-2011, 01:36 PMtrintaSeriously? Asking people to have some courtesy and put some thought into the words they choose is what's ruining this community? Please ragequit already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-11-2011, 01:49 PMShinChuck
Let's be honest here: name calling and swearing is not the way to win people over. "The problem here is people are too negative, so quit your bitching" is being negative in itself. You can make your point clearly and concisely (and *bluntly*) without being a jerk about things. "Blunt" does not equate swearing. You can do one without involving the other, and in fact, you win more people over that way.
"You win more flies with honey," remember. Insulting people you disagree with is a quick way to get flame wars started and topics detailed - and that's exactly what happened here because of a lack of tact in the original post. -
03-11-2011, 09:29 PMDarkRainumm no. bitch is a a word used to decribe an action now a days. it is used on any local radio show , tv show or everyday conversation. its when you make the word someting its not i.e takeing it out of context like you are doing here a flame war starts. to make a direct point you have to be direct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinChuck
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03-12-2011, 04:10 PMShinChuckBut direct does not equal swearing. To illustrate further, it's a known psychological method of winning people over. You phrase things in a *positive* light, because being negative, making an attack, immediately causes people to close up or resist, no matter how valid your point might be. If you are really trying to make a change for the better, if that's your true goal and not just to bash people you disagree with, then you should aim to be positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Telling someone to "quit their bitching" is roughly tantamount to "shut the hell up" or even in a polite fashion, "keep your opinions to yourself." If we truly want to make the community better, we need to be aware of the kind of language we're using, and use language to win people over, not incite flames. :) -
03-13-2011, 07:13 AMCairdeas
Jump should be restricted to Dragoons and Chocobos :P
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03-13-2011, 07:35 AMKilta_Firelotus
having a debate on a much used term "bitchfest" is beyond rediculous.
You guys need to watch chelsea lately.... she is popular and says bitch/bitchfest every 20 min. (on a good night 5-10 min)
It is just a phrase and not meant as an insult really. -
03-13-2011, 07:37 AMSwev
LOL, Ill join in this *&$* fest just because im "English". =p
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03-13-2011, 07:51 AMJedgar
Yay we have a "Bitch-fest" about "Bitch-festing".... Wait was to too blunt or not blunt enough?!?
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03-13-2011, 10:04 AMDarkRainok im going to take you to school for a second and give you the meaning of the word BITCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinChuck
1. bitch = she is annoying , degradeing , demanding , or unfair
Used in a sentance " Man that woman is such a bitch"
2. bitch = She is your friend , she is your helper possitive or negitive
Used in a sentance " You is my bitch" ( friendly) You is my bitch!" (not so friendly more of ownership)
3. bitching = over excessive complaing ( such as the people bitching about the word bitch or the FFXIV is bad why do u play)
constant degradeing.
Used in a sentance " Why are people bitching about the word bitch"
4 Bitch = a female dog ( true meaning of the word)
Used in a sentance "my Bitch is in heat"
5. Bitchin' = Something that is way awesome
Used in a sentance " DAMN that was BITCHIN'!
So needless to say you can stop BITCHING about the use of a word. all this PC bullcrap is so damn annoying people now a days are made of glass just one word will fracture them. Get real life isent sun shine and lolly pops!
Anyways why not comment of the topic at hand rather then a word. The topic at had was i found a really intresting piece of info on the japanes fourms. And of corse our MODs here havent done anything to speak about it. Let alone has anyone from the lead NA / EU team done anything to comment on anything. Yet the producer can comment of the japanese fourms .Where if you take the time to transulate you will notice thay ( the japanese people ) not only offer ideas for fixing the game , but also dont bash every aspect of the game . like the posters here do. That was the point. Mostly because the people posting are BITCHING ( see #3) about everything. And not offering solutions. ITs i WANT this or i DONT want that. its not lets fix this then maybe add that. -
03-13-2011, 10:38 AMJedgarActual definition of the word is as such:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
bitch /bɪtʃ/ Show Spelled
[bich] Show IPA
–noun
1. a female dog.
2. a female of canines generally.
3. Slang .
a. a malicious, unpleasant, selfish person, especially a woman.
b. a lewd woman.
4. Slang .
a. a complaint.
b. anything difficult or unpleasant: The test was a bitch.
c. anything memorable, especially something exceptionally good: That last big party he threw was a real bitch.
–verb (used without object)
5. Slang . to complain; gripe: They bitched about the service, then about the bill.
–verb (used with object)
6. Slang . to spoil; bungle (sometimes followed by up ): He bitched the job completely. you really bitched up this math problem.
Use Bitch in a Sentence
See images of Bitch
Search Bitch on the Web
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Origin:
before 1000; Middle English bicche, Old English bicce; cognate with Old Norse bikkja
And can be found here a much better source that Urban Dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Bitch
Now as for what everyone is up in arms about is that it's usually better and socially acceptable to not use vulgar language to get your point across. Just because you hear in on Howard Stern or Prime Time TV doesn't make it right. After all I bet you never told your mother to "Quit her bitching" when she told you to clean your room or do something that you didn't want to do, nor would you tell your boss the same thing if they told you your work was sub-par.
If you want to use such language with your friends and in you LS thats fine but here or in any public forum is hardly the right place. -
03-13-2011, 10:51 AMDarkRain
Accualy i tell my mom to quit bitching everyday. As for my boss were on a friendly base so i can accualy tell him to go F him self and i will still have a job. ( notice i dident say F***) Because Bitch isent a cuss word now a days. But still if you read the meanings of the words you are saying the same things im saying. Only difference is i dident need to quote a dictonary to do so. But again now tell me how is this on topic? because it is not. Thats the other problem here people cant stay on topic , rather go off topic on some tangent about something that isent relevent to the subject matter at hand.If you dont like a word then why take the time to comment on it? What are you gaining? if you want to make a h thread about the word bitch then do so. other wise stay on topic and comment about that topic. If you have trouble knowing what the topic is then dont comment.
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03-13-2011, 11:04 AMJackDaniels
I've been saying this since before XIV's alpha.
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03-13-2011, 01:14 PMShinChuckHere's the deal, my dude. Through the direct use of your language, your original point was obscured, and your topic derailed. This can't be denied: we have three pages of debate unrelated to the original topic because you decided to tell people to quit their "bitching" and shut the hell up if they disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
You can continue to defend yourself, or you can man up, saying, "Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone," and we can all move on. You're hurting *your own cause* by overshadowing your point with unprofessional, negative and insulting language.
With that said, I'm done here. You learn from this experience and use it to better your life, or if swearing and being rude is so important to you, you can continue to shoot yourself in the foot by offending the people you're trying to win over. Hopefully you take this opportunity to grow as a person, if only to facilitate your own success, but the choice is yours alone.