As a Warrior I have started to use Thrill of Battle before boss fights begin. Having that extra health allows for me to not worry about using storms path as early and I can afford to use butcher block rotation twice or even three times before Storms Path Rotation into Inner Beast.
As a Warrior what do you do to help you with the beginning of a pull?
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06-30-2015, 06:15 AMSkypirateAs a Warrior :
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06-30-2015, 06:47 AMSpookyGhost
Tomahawk -> Unchained -> HS -> Brutal Swing -> Maim -> IR + Zerk -> SE -> Bloodbath -> HS -> Foresight -> SS -> BB -> Fracture -> IB -> HS -> Maim -> SE
Save Thrill/Conv/Vengeance/Raw Intuition for big hits. Raw Intuition and Vengeance also gain Wrath, so if you don't need them for big hits you can also use them to build 5 Wrath faster. Most fights I'm 95% in Deliverance, but works the same in Defiance. After the opener ^ up there you can freely use Eye -> Path or Eye -> BB. -
06-30-2015, 06:56 AMZyph
What are you... why? I've never encountered anything that could immediately kill you upon pulling. Even Storm's Path isn't needed immediately especially, you should focus on getting up Storm's Eye asap. Using ToB before you even pull sounds like a gigantic waste.
Never use defensive cooldowns before you pull, you want to maximise their effectiveness by having the mob actually wailing on you first. -
06-30-2015, 07:34 AMSkypirateQuote:
Originally Posted by Zyph
It's not the threat of it killing you as much as Healers having to heal Asap. Thrill of Battle has a Low cooldown of 2 minutes and the buff duration is long enough to where you can use it as part of your opening and still have the ability up during a Rage phase. Even with Tomahawk used at the beginning of a Pull I've had DPS and Healers a like pull of of me right as the fight begins and you can eliminate that by using ToB B4 the fight. Especially when Stoneskinned. -
06-30-2015, 08:38 AMWintersandmanI have never had this issue. I don't see how popping ToB would boost your enmity generation. If DPS and healers are pulling it is exactly the issue. One BB plus BB combo after a tomahawk would put you so far in the lead. This is completely simplified version of Spooky but you shouldn't be having issues like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skypirate
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06-30-2015, 01:17 PMMarxam
I always Butcher Block combo at the start, no "if's" "and's" or "but's". Then I go into the storm eye combo while switching into Deliverance. I pop Berserk/IR after the HS just before going into Skull Sunder and BB combo > Fell Cleave > Infurtiate > Fell Cleave > Vengeance > finish BB combo > BB combo again > Fell Cleave. This is the combo I've come up with but trying to make it work.
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06-30-2015, 02:03 PMXenosan
On a similar note it irked me in t6 PUG (i110 BiS) when a dps who thought he knew sh!t lecturing me that it's nub to start the pull with Rampart.
I don't start rotating CDs in that fight anyway til adds spawn.. which is quite conveniently about 100 seconds into the match (back at that ilvl).
But everyone's a critic.
back to point, Marx if you have an agreeable ilvl for whatever level you're at, Overpower > into 9 hit zerk Eye > BB should do it for single target,
This still remains true, yes?
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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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06-30-2015, 02:39 PMTallonOverworld
Before i used: Tomahawk -> Unchained -> Heavy Swing -> Brutal Swing -> Maim -> Berserk, IR -> Storm's eye -> Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Inner Beast -> (Optional: Defiance off,Strength Potion) -> Heavy Swing -> Brutal Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye -> Pacification, (Defiance up.)
I sometimes replace first Storm's Eye with Storm's Path for the mitigation.
Now i'm still experimenting but it goes like this:
Tomahawk -> Unchained -> Heavy Swing -> Brutal Swing -> Berserk+IR -> Storm's Eye -> Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Deliverance -> Fel Cleave -> Foresight -> Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye/Path -> Pacification, Defiance up. -
06-30-2015, 03:04 PMMarxamNot exactly sure what you are asking but 9 gcd in Berserk was the standard with 390 sks in ARR. In HW idk what the new sks cap since I'm still leveling War myself but I'm told its around 460 and it's still 9 gcd's in berserk at 460. Not sure if it is true but that would mean that the numbers were just inflated and it would require a large amount to even hit 10 (possibly 700+), which was what I was hoping would happen in HW but sadly it looks like it won't be a reality. The reason I do my rotation that way is because I get the aggro and SE debuff before opening into Berserk. The first two moves in that rotation is a back to back Fell Cleave and a third one to end it. As for opener's here's how mine looks:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenosan
Opener: Tomahawk > Heavy Swing > Skull Sunder > Butcher Block > Switch to Deliverance + Bloodbath > Heavy Swing > Maim > Storm's Eye. (you should be at 4 abandon by now)
Berserk Rotation:: Heavy Swing > Potion (optional) + Internal Release + Berserk* > Fell Cleave > Infuriate > Fell Cleave > Skull Sunder > Butcher Block > Vengeance > Heavy Swing > Skull Sunder > Butcher Block > Fell Cleave > Fracture?
*= you need to time it so that the Fell Cleave cuts the Berserk animation short for this to work which is why I put Internal Release before Berserk. I normally wait till the timer resets then use Berserk and immediately start mashing Fell Cleave.
?= you can fit the fracture at the end but since idk what the sks cap is I'm always at roughly 2 seconds left in berserk (tested with 458 sks). This also doesn't take into account Brutal swing which you can fit anywhere. I normally use it anytime during the Opener so it's back up during the Berserk. If you feel you need more aggro use it in Defiance, if you want more damage use it when you switch to Deliverance.
Warriors have insane hate management, especially if you crit the Fell Cleaves. I've been in dungeons with two melee's and only needed to do one BB combo before switching to Deliverance for the rest of the fight so as long as you got aggro at the start its gg tanking. -
06-30-2015, 04:59 PMOrson_DaraThis is the way to do it if you trust your healing or hell even if it's just the beginning of a fight. Nothing more satisfying than almost doing the damage of a full LB bar with 1 rotation to start off a fight. Remember also Raw Intuition also gives a stack too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marxam
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06-30-2015, 05:18 PMMarxamThanks for the tip :) I just unlocked it and love how Awareness nulls the crit from the flank and rear. War's now have 4 mandatory cc skills, Convalescence, Internal Release, Awareness and Provoke (needed for end-game).Quote:
Originally Posted by Orson_Dara
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06-30-2015, 05:21 PMSpookyGhost
Awareness is only good on trash packs. You want Second Wind or Mantra otherwise.
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06-30-2015, 05:22 PMMarxam
I've actually dropped flash in favor of Second Wind since tp is no longer an issue for warriors and yes Awareness + Raw Intuition is for large pulls but this should be a bottom of the barrel cd for if dps is too slow because you are left with 5 seconds of open crit damage which can easily kill you if your healer is not prepared. Speaking from experience.
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06-30-2015, 05:26 PMOrson_DaraI'm not so sure though because remember a lot of bosses have some pretty nasty attacks that require you to reposition but I guess you can always lock on. I find that makes it harder to dodge some things though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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06-30-2015, 05:30 PMVargasVermillion
Only time i use a cool down on a pull is when bosses use those random hard hitters with every second or third auto attack (assuming they do one before IB is applied) otherwise I'd just save them for actual mechanic damage.
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06-30-2015, 05:40 PMmosaicex
After reading this thread I think I should offer my deepest condolences to every barely geared healers out there.
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06-30-2015, 05:42 PMSpookyGhostYou shouldn't be running dry on TP to begin with. If you are it's because you've OP spammed your TP away and therefore Flash has no use to you since you have an overwhelming amount of hate on everything already. The reason you use Flash is for it's 360 AOE that only costs MP (which you have no other use for). It's also good for picking up fresh adds (Shadows in 13, Blue/Green Dragons in Bismarck EX, etc.) and for picking up packs as you're moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marxam
You shouldn't be at a point where you're dying from auto attack crits, but really the last slot is a toss up and it's different from fight to fight. I like SW because it can be used in Deliverance as a smaller Equilibrium and can also negate a crit auto in a less RNG-heavy way. In dungeons, though, I use Awareness due to how often I pop Raw Intuition and the mobs decide to run all around me.
Yeah, you should strafe to avoid turning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orson_Dara
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06-30-2015, 05:54 PMOrson_DaraExcept there are certain mechanics that are like conal -> circle right next to it or whatever. Being locked on can be a liability that's why it just seems like a no brainer to use awareness just in case. It depends on the fight though it's not like you can't change CC skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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06-30-2015, 06:07 PMSpookyGhostYou don't need to lock on to use strafe. By default it's Q and E, which you can change to A and D or use the Standard control setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orson_Dara