"Steps of Faith" Extreme please

I have no intention of knocking on players who like the new nerfs. Speaking for myself and maybe others, I liked how the fight required teamwork to defeat (making use of the Dragonkillers and Snares for example.) For those of us who liked the harder difficulty, this seems like the perfect solution.

It can easily be worked into the story. Isghard has been at war with the dragons for a very long time after all. No reason to believe they would ease up now.

"Like" if you would like to see an optional extreme version of this fight with bonus rewards.

What we need is Praetorium (Extreme), CT/ST/WoD (Extreme), & All Dungeons (Extreme).

Game is severely hurting in mid-core difficulty tier.

And it just keeps getting worse with Echo, out-gearing, & nerfing.

Game just needs 3 difficulty tiers for most instanced content(s).

Normal & Hard Difficulty raiding is a start...

Problem is: last we heard, Normal will be like full-Echo T1-5 easy (or easier), while Hard will be as difficult as FCOB Savage (if there were one)...

Which even cuts out the mid-core even worse... it's just depressing.

I'm really, desperately hoping they reveal that they'll be doing Dungeon Extremes at minimum for the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

What we need is Praetorium (Extreme), CT/ST/WoD (Extreme), & All Dungeons (Extreme).

Game is severely hurting in mid-core difficulty tier.

And it just keeps getting worse with Echo, out-gearing, & nerfing.

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Or they can just call it normal or medium and start calling the base versions easy. No need to keep lying to the playerbase that they're just doing easy stuff.

I rather have Odin and Gligamesh extreme before steps of faith.

It was hard enough to get a party to do the normal one. They were forced to nerf the fight into obscurity because people would land Steps in their roulette and ditch it immediately.

What makes you think an Extreme mode would draw a crowd?

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

Game just needs 3 difficulty tiers for most instanced content(s).

Normal & Hard Difficulty raiding is a start... but last we heard, Normal will be like full-Echo T1-5 easy (or easier), while Hard will be as difficult as FCOB Savage (if there were one)...

Which even cuts out the mid-core even worse... it's just depressing.

I'm really, desperately hoping they reveal that they'll be doing Dungeon Extremes at least for the expansion.

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I would love to see challenging 4 man dungeons with maybe 50% more tomes rewarded. Something u can do with a couple FC members.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

It was hard enough to get a party to do the normal one. They were forced to nerf the fight into obscurity because people would land Steps in their roulette and ditch it immediately.

What makes you think an Extreme mode would draw a crowd?

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There is no roulette for extreme fights. Parties for EX fights are always pre-formed via the party finder or FCs. My FC does "savage" coil fights all the time for the challenge and for the fun of it.

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

I rather have Odin and Gligamesh extreme before steps of faith.

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This, and Ultima Extreme.

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Originally Posted by Darki

There is no roulette for extreme fights. Parties for EX fights are always pre-formed via the party finder or FCs. My FC does "savage" coil fights all the time for the challenge and for the fun of it.

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That's not true. Several of my FC ended up doing their EX primals through the duty finder. I actually expect a lot of people do it that way.

Would rather have Odin Ex in were it's an actual challenge, lol

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Originally Posted by Belhi

That's not true. Several of my FC ended up doing their EX primals through the duty finder. I actually expect a lot of people do it that way.

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Touche. This still wouldn't hurt the roulette system as there isn't one for EX fights though.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

It was hard enough to get a party to do the normal one. They were forced to nerf the fight into obscurity because people would land Steps in their roulette and ditch it immediately.

What makes you think an Extreme mode would draw a crowd?

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Oh i'm sure there are ppl that would do it. BUT for all the calls for a challenge, after a small initial surge, SoF EX would quickly become a ghost town unless SE gave it an actual reward that was comparable to the upped difficulty-beyond bragging rights on an internet gaming forum.

And seriously, does anyone REALLY think SE would even bother at this point investing more time into a piece of filler/bridging content that initially flopped? And it did flop, whatever reason you want to give for that failure.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

It was hard enough to get a party to do the normal one. They were forced to nerf the fight into obscurity because people would land Steps in their roulette and ditch it immediately.

What makes you think an Extreme mode would draw a crowd?

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Gears or weapons, inclusive a mount

I had read the OP and...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...7Y8w2uEtChh31s
Following your reasoning, every single duty of the game must have an "extreme" version.
If you want show up how good you are, go to Alexander when it comes.

I agree, there is a serious lack of midcore difficulty in this game. Also a serious lack of challenging 4 person content.

"I just got my last ilvl130 Item, close to BIS now!"
"I wonder why the content is so friggn easy now...."

I want optional ilvl-synch to dungeon entry or around and some reasonable awards if you choose to synch.

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

Problem is: last we heard, Normal will be like full-Echo T1-5 easy (or easier), while Hard will be as difficult as FCOB Savage (if there were one)...

Which even cuts out the mid-core even worse... it's just depressing.

I'm really, desperately hoping they reveal that they'll be doing Dungeon Extremes at minimum for the expansion.

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Last I heard 3.1 and the Free Company Airship content (the actual Islands with NMs, rather than the Retainer Venture sounding 3.0 Airship content) is pegged at mid-tier difficulty. Not to mention something which can be challenged with however many people you want, sounds like it will effectively be what most people hoped Hunts would be TBH. Pretty much hinges on the rewards at this point though, given they're locked away behind Airships they should hopefully be a lot more mechanically interesting than Hunts, if they end up as just another set of zerg fest FATE boss style mobs I'm going to be pretty damn pissed off.

Gated behind Free Companies with a House of course, which is perhaps the biggest downside (though it also means access is limited, hopefully meaning they can be more interesting), but at least they seem to be making it accessible to Free Companies without a House with the Free Company Alliance system which should let those without a House "borrow" from those with one.

Hopefully it is something they can expand upon with updates. More Housing Wards would certainly be required, but I'd love to see dungeons locked behind Airships; Floating City of Nym anyone? The simple fact that you need to go through a Free Company to even access such content should allow them to provide a reasonable level of challenge from such things.

I'd love to at least once in my FFXIV life be able to run a dungeon that is too difficult to swarm pull and AoE everything.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

I'd love to at least once in my FFXIV life be able to run a dungeon that is too difficult to swarm pull and AoE everything.

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the issue is that most of the player base is used to this method.

dungeons have been getting harder long with quite a few anti-speed run mechanics, if SE makes the dungeons any harder then people will just abandon the dungeon rather than attempt it like they have been doing with Steps of Faith pre-nerf (which wasn't hard just needed group to work together)

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

the issue is that most of the player base is used to this method.

dungeons have been getting harder long with quite a few anti-speed run mechanics, if SE makes the dungeons any harder then people will just abandon the dungeon rather than attempt it like they have been doing with Steps of Faith pre-nerf (which wasn't hard just needed group to work together)

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There could be a really rewarding dungeon that gives lots of extra poetics or whatever or drops rare supplies worth something on the market board that is challenging though. You need rewards to attract good players to do something challenging.

Perhaps dungeon like Step of Faith or any dungeon which didn't give item reward never get the extreme version

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

SoF EX would quickly become a ghost town unless SE gave it an actual reward that was comparable to the upped difficulty-beyond bragging rights on an internet gaming forum..

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I'm sure you were just being facetious, but all the Ex battles do have tangible rewards of some kind so I don't know what you think would be different this time around.

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Originally Posted by Eul

Perhaps dungeon like Step of Faith or any dungeon which didn't give item reward never get the extreme version

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There are a couple hard mode fights that don't give rewards that have Ex versions that do.

Meh, after doing the fight, im not really a big fan. To each their own but I probably wouldnt bother with an EX mode. A huge dragon that can fly, moving at an unrealistic snails pace, across a bridge towards 3 out of the original 4 magical barriers.

So Iceheart destroys the outermost barrier, now suddenly the rest can be bashed down? Why wasnt Iceheart there to help finish the job? Why didnt dragon just land poised to attack the first barrier from the start?

Seems the whole design/story was just kind of halfassed, IMO. Maybe im being too picky but I also didnt like the fight itself. It relies too heavily on using vehicles (canons and tower) which are kind of clunky and somewhat buggy to use.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'm sure you were just being facetious, but all the Ex battles do have tangible rewards of some kind so I don't know what you think would be different this time around.

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No i was being dead serious. It is blatant assumption that SE would treat an EX version of SoF like an ex-primal fight. Or that a harder difficulty version of SoF would even be called SoF EX for that matter-i just tacked the EX on to distinguish it from the actual and presently only version of that fight available-which you just didn't seems to get.

My assertion stands though, without a reward equal to the amount of effort the 'Un-named Hypothetical Steps of Faith Fight-Harder Difficulty Version' will turn into a ghost town after the initial surge.

I'd rather them just put resources towards new fights. SoF was really kind of boring to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

It is blatant assumption that SE would treat an EX version of SoF like an ex-primal fight.

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When there is already a precedent for it with Ultima, I don't think it is TBH. There's very little reason why they couldn't sit the Wandering Minstrel down in a bar in Ishgard and have him dramatically recount the tale of how we took on Vishap, and throw in some rewards relevant to 3.0s iLv. Not really sure what they could even do with Steps of Faith though.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

I'd rather them just put resources towards new fights. SoF was really kind of boring to be honest.

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Yep. The fight was not mechanically hard or even that interesting. It was a nice change of pace, but I don't really see what direction they could take it in for an EX rematch.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I had read the OP and...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...7Y8w2uEtChh31s
Following your reasoning, every single duty of the game must have an "extreme" version.
If you want show up how good you are, go to Alexander when it comes.

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Why not? It would be the same reason why single player games of all kinds have multiple difficulty settings. Some people find games more fun with the difficulty turned down, some don't. Everyone has a preference. I personally like how it's done with the primal fights. The harder fights aren't mandatory but they give more rewards if they are completed. I think that is perfectly fair. The same philosophy can be applied to any duty in this game Steps of Faith included.

Or they can create completely new difficult content and not rehash the same old fight again, and again, and again, AND again.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

My assertion stands though, without a reward equal to the amount of effort the 'Un-named Hypothetical Steps of Faith Fight-Harder Difficulty Version' will turn into a ghost town after the initial surge.

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Then put simply. Considering EVERY ex fight so far has tangible rewards why do you even think this is an assertion worth making? It's unsupported by every precedent made concerning Ex fights so far. Obviously it would have tangible rewards.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Then put simply. Considering EVERY ex fight so far has tangible rewards why do you even think this is an assertion worth making? It's unsupported by every precedent made concerning Ex fights so far. Obviously it would have tangible rewards.

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You carry on without me since you are so hung up on wording. I felt like posting it and for someone not looking to pick a fight, it is probably fairly easy to get my meaning. For some reason you took umbrage or w/e over, well meh.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I would love to see challenging 4 man dungeons with maybe 50% more tomes rewarded. Something u can do with a couple FC members.

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I have been saying this for years.
We NEED harder 4 mans...badly. I'm sick of every little thing getting the nerf bat because
people cry about it so hard that they act like there is no choice.
Also, I'd like new content that's hard. I dunno if I like rehash fights of x different dungeons.
You have nearly every dungeon in a HM mode...you got If, Garu and Titan in 3 different version
the later Primal's in two...It's kinda boring.

What is mid-core? sounds like it becomes "easy" once you beat it. For this game its either easy or hard

add in a vishap card and vishap minion = lots of ppl will run SoF again

They should just make steps of faith Normal mode and an easier one called "Baby's First Steps"

Sorry square enix doesn't care about you. Now if you wanted a nerf of something or wanted something handed to you, then they'd grant your request.

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

What we need is Praetorium (Extreme), CT/ST/WoD (Extreme), & All Dungeons (Extreme)

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Oh man, the invasion stories made with actual design and mechanics (other than ZERG) would be awesome. Especially with the Gaius and Ultima Weapon fights.

I always wished they would re-tune the CT raids as 4 man dungeons and make them significantly harder/different. That'd also be awesome.

8 man is cool, but sometimes, i really don't want to sit in DF for 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Barimu

Sorry square enix doesn't care about you. Now if you wanted a nerf of something or wanted something handed to you, then they'd grant your request.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

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