/Tell Options

SE,

Please give us an option for incoming tells:

1) Accept only tells from Friends

2) Accept only tells from Linkshell

3) Accept only tells from Free Company

4) Accept only tells from Friends, Linkshell, & Free Company

5) Accept tells from everyone

I think this would help us with the RMT/BOTS Problems, and might drive them away if we were given these options.

there are quite literally dozens of threads like these. I see no reason to open another one. Not one of the threads has had a dev response either. Just relax, give it time. it wasn't until recently the spammers got absolutely out of control.

I like this suggestion. I could visualize that on our character setup or chat options. Yes, please, SE.

Sorry, but this idea, in reality, wouldn't work for the following reasons:

Considering you always have randoms' tells disabled. (Because, why would you ever turn it back on? So you'd be harassed by 100 RMTs a minute?)

1) You put a PF up and make a mistake or somebody leaves, leaving the last spot for one class only, for example: Nobody can PM you so that you can fix that mistake, thus you won't reach your target audience.
2) You're recruiting people for your FC/LS and you get some PMs, sadly, you can't ask them any questions because they have randoms' tells disabled.
3) Somebody is looking for melds/crafts, but because they have randoms' tells disabled, they won't ever get anyone to help them and think this is an unhelpful community.
4) Somebody is paying a craft 1m to craft X item. Sadly, because this person hates RMT with a passion, he will never get his item crafted and you won't get 1m.
5) A very dear friend of yours got banned/account stolen and wants to get in contact with you, but of course, you have randoms' /tells disabled, so you will never talk to him again.
There are inumerous situations that could happen like this, these are just the main ones that concern me should a system like you suggest were to be implemented. This is why people think Square isn't doing anything regarding the RMT issue. Everybody thinks it's an easy fix, but nobody sees the negative points of these kinds of systems.

Now, I understand where you're coming from. But discriminating an entire group of people just because they might potentially be RMTs will hurt much more than it benefits.

My suggestions lie more in the level restriction area, but even that has its problems. I'll wait for Square to make their move, I trust we'll get it fixed eventually.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Sorry, but this idea, in reality, wouldn't work for the following reasons:

Considering you always have randoms' tells disabled. (Because, why would you ever turn it back on? So you'd be harassed by 100 RMTs a minute?)

1) You put a PF up and make a mistake or somebody leaves, leaving the last spot for one class only, for example: Nobody can PM you so that you can fix that mistake, thus you won't reach your target audience.
2) You're recruiting people for your FC/LS and you get some PMs, sadly, you can't ask them any questions because they have randoms' tells disabled.
3) Somebody is looking for melds/crafts, but because they have randoms' tells disabled, they won't ever get anyone to help them and think this is an unhelpful community.
4) Somebody is paying a craft 1m to craft X item. Sadly, because this person hates RMT with a passion, he will never get his item crafted and you won't get 1m.
5) A very dear friend of yours got banned/account stolen and wants to get in contact with you, but of course, you have randoms' /tells disabled, so you will never talk to him again.
There are inumerous situations that could happen like this, these are just the main ones that concern me should a system like you suggest were to be implemented. This is why people think Square isn't doing anything regarding the RMT issue. Everybody thinks it's an easy fix, but nobody sees the negative points of these kinds of systems.

Now, I understand where you're coming from. But discriminating an entire group of people just because they might potentially be RMTs will hurt much more than it benefits.

My suggestions lie more in the level restriction area, but even that has its problems. I'll wait for Square to make their move, I trust we'll get it fixed eventually.

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not really. the other option is turning off chat completely on the tab you are on. so since that is already an option none of your scenarios work since you already aren't getting tells as it is. the suggestion at least puts the majority of people you care to talk to where they can private message you. what you are saying is that you like having less people able to send you tell because i know right now i have tells completely disabled so nobody can send them anymore.

the op's suggestion will at least put my friends, ls, and fc back on my list where i can see their tells. due to rmt spam i have tells not enabled on my regular tabs. they are only open on my tab that shows everything.

I'm in favor of a filter option also, as another thread suggested, but this seems all right also. Of the two I think I'd prefer a filter, because there may be some instances in which I'd actually like to receive a /tell from a stranger.

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Originally Posted by Bizzy

SE,

Please give us an option for incoming tells:

1) Accept only tells from Friends

2) Accept only tells from Linkshell

3) Accept only tells from Free Company

4) Accept only tells from Friends, Linkshell, & Free Company

5) Accept tells from everyone

I think this would help us with the RMT/BOTS Problems, and might drive them away if we were given these options.

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No thanks.

Just block the spammers please. No need to ruin mine and everyone else's game experience with restrictive tell options.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

1) You put a PF up and make a mistake or somebody leaves, leaving the last spot for one class only, for example: Nobody can PM you so that you can fix that mistake, thus you won't reach your target audience.
2) You're recruiting people for your FC/LS and you get some PMs, sadly, you can't ask
them any questions because they have randoms' tells disabled.
3) Somebody is looking for melds/crafts, but because they have randoms' tells disabled, they won't ever get anyone to help them and think this is an unhelpful community.
4) Somebody is paying a craft 1m to craft X item. Sadly, because this person hates RMT with a passion, he will never get his item crafted and you won't get 1m.
5) A very dear friend of yours got banned/account stolen and wants to get in contact with you, but of course, you have randoms' /tells disabled, so you will never talk to him again.
There are inumerous situations that could happen like this, these are just the main ones that concern me should a system like you suggest were to be implemented. This is why people think Square isn't doing anything regarding the RMT issue. Everybody thinks it's an easy fix, but nobody sees the negative points of these kinds of systems.
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Honestly all your reasons against this are bland and terrible at best.
1. I know myself and others make sure to re-do the party finder once a player leaves while we're still searching for members. And even then other people can still join and point out the mistake to the leader.
2. Who in their right mind puts busy status on when they're recruiting with party finder anyway? This will not be an issue.
3. See #2. It's pretty much the same.
4. Again see #2.
5. If a friend is very dear to you; I'm pretty sure by now they've exchanged E-mails or other ways to get in contact with each other.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

No thanks.

Just block the spammers please. No need to ruin mine and everyone else's game experience with restrictive tell options.

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The tells are ruining many peoples game experience and restricting social interaction by forcing people to use block all tells. Guess what they'd be personal preferences where you could pick to set them as you see fit. I'm all for allowing a tell from friends only/linkshell only option. If you prefer to keep it as it now you would have that option as well.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

3) Somebody is looking for melds/crafts, but because they have randoms' tells disabled, they won't ever get anyone to help them and think this is an unhelpful community.
4) Somebody is paying a craft 1m to craft X item. Sadly, because this person hates RMT with a passion, he will never get his item crafted and you won't get 1m.

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These are done through shouts, not tells. Atleast thats how I've seen it done.

Just remember: the current alternative that people are using right now to avoid RMT tells is /busy.

/busy filters out EVERYONE.

The options suggested by this thread do not add any new problems.

This... is a really good idea! I wholly support this! This is a great fix until a better idea comes along. I don't get the denouncements, if you don't like it nothing's forcing you to use it. I, though, would be all over this.

With that option on RMT will SPAM (real spam every 10 sec or so) the /shout/yell/say every few seconds.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

No thanks.

Just block the spammers please. No need to ruin mine and everyone else's game experience with restrictive tell options.

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If it was that easy it would have been done don't you think? Option to turn off /tells from randoms would help to a certain extent.



I posted this in a thread but its how I handle RMT tells.


Turn the Chime sound off for when you get tells, Turn on the tells filter for General Tab (main chat) and then put tells in Event Tab.

So when you get a tell it won't ding. And the Event Tab will be green when you have a new tell.

Is this for everyone? No! But if you're tired of waiting for a real solution to the problem, this is the best thing I've found. If you're a chatty person this probably isn't for you.

Just be clear you won't hear the ding, you won't see tells in general chat tab, and when you do get a tell your event tab will turn green meaning you have a new tell.

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Originally Posted by ValkyrieL

With that option on RMT will SPAM (real spam every 10 sec or so) the /shout/yell/say every few seconds.

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They already do. In bursts of 4 repeated lines...

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Originally Posted by Arkista

If it was that easy it would have been done don't you think? Option to turn off /tells from randoms would help to a certain extent.

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Apparently it is. In another thread someone had mentioned some software that can block out spam based on text and characters. I thought SE did this already. I checked it out and sure enough, that is exactly what it does. I'm not going to go into more detail about it though. The people who use it say they never get the spam anymore. Though it only works for the PC.

This suggestion doesn't help for the more anonying friend invitation from RMT. ^^;

Doesn't matter what you fools think of my feedback on this thread, this will never happen, so get your minds off of it.

/thread.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Doesn't matter what you fools think of my feedback on this thread, this will never happen, so get your minds off of it.

/thread.

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Hey hey calm down tough guy. Y so serious?

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Hey hey calm down tough guy. Y so serious?

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Because the implementation of this "thing" would have huge consequences that supporters of this thread are not willing/able to see. This would ruin market and recruiting, they just won't admit it because they're so bothered by the RMT.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Because the implementation of this "thing" would have huge consequences that supporters of this thread are not willing/able to see. This would ruin market and recruiting, they just won't admit it because they're so bothered by the RMT.

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Well it may or may not. But as far as I can tell none of us here can actually do anything but make suggestions. Why not try to adapt what you can to avoid the problem you see? Or perhaps try to explain the position. I don't know much but I know verbal jabs gets us no where?

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Well it may or may not. But as far as I can tell none of us here can actually do anything but make suggestions. Why not try to adapt what you can to avoid the problem you see? Or perhaps try to explain the position. I don't know much but I know verbal jabs gets us no where?

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You're right, but it still doesn't change the fact that the only people who applaud this kind of suggestion, are people who confine themselves with their FC/LS, don't craft, don't trade and don't recruit and it also doesn't change the fact that the more people who stand by it, the more chances Square would even consider this, which I'm 99% sure they won't. But I've failed many HQs at 99%...

They also put points like "Oh, you can just take it off whenever" - But no, nobody would ever put random tells on. They wouldn't even remember to do it while in PF because it's so convinient.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Because the implementation of this "thing" would have huge consequences that supporters of this thread are not willing/able to see. This would ruin market and recruiting, they just won't admit it because they're so bothered by the RMT.

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People want control. So since SE is doing little to nothing, people want to take control over the situation.

As soon as SE comes to their senses and fixes the issue, people will no longer care. SE is very big on community so I highly doubt they would put anything in game as restrictive as this. They just, historically, take their time to deal with stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

You're right, but it still doesn't change the fact that the only people who applaud this kind of suggestion, are people who confine themselves with their FC/LS, don't craft,

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...Look up Loki Bludcraven on the Lodestone and tell me I don't craft and offer my crafting services. Tell me I'm not still recruiting for my Free Company. Tell me I'm some recluse who doesn't use party finder to search for content and shout for things. Go on. Be THAT person that feels pointing the finger was the worst thing they could have possibly done.

If this were to be implemented; I would take off the option so I could get random tells because I'm not some idiot who forgets what options I enable.

I wouldn't be using this, because RMT really isn't too bad on my server (yet at least), but this would be an easy change that could help people with lots of RMT spam.

It should then only be for when you use /busy or something, because otherwise problems will arise just like Lyzern said.

It would still only be a very temporary "solution" for some people, because I actually use /tell outside of LS, FC and friends list more than with players within them... I talk to them in whatever chat they're in (the friends I talk to, are all in FC or in some of my LS').

That's why I wouldn't use it, but then again... I consider RMT "spam" every 30 mins, to be a lot, and I usually don't get that many.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Doesn't matter what you fools think of my feedback on this thread, this will never happen, so get your minds off of it.

/thread.

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I don't know why do you act like it would be so hard for crafters, recruiters, and party finder people to simple turn the filter on and off? If you're looking for people for a FC, turn it off. If you want to sell/buy stuff, turn it off. And I'm pretty sure those who are looking for FCs, PFs, or Crafters would do the same. If someone can't manage their own chat filters and miss out then that's their problem. The benefits far out weigh the consequences of a optional filter. There are also other chats such as /shout, dunno if you heard of it, but lots of people use it to advertise FC recruitment, Selling/Buying crafting, and even Party Finder. But that is also where this tell filter system would have issues. If RMTs could no longer /tell, they would simply /sh. But even then it would probably only be in cities or major hangout places like GS or RT.

Even if SE implemented a said system, its not like it would be set to "on" for every player new or old. They would have to manually turn it on.

I've personally solved the rmt /t issue for myself, So I'm not really bothered my them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

They also put points like "Oh, you can just take it off whenever" - But no, nobody would ever put random tells on. They wouldn't even remember to do it while in PF because it's so convinient.

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All SE has to do is add a feature somewhere on the HUD simply saying you have /tells disabled.




EDIT I looked up your lodestone, honestly I think the reason why you're so against a /tell filter, is because you're scared you would lose business. I'm only assuming because you're so adamant about it and you have all your crafts 50, that you must sell crafting services in Party Finder and through /tells.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

EDIT I looked up your lodestone

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I find it rude and counter-factual to examine other people's Lodestone to cement your arguments on a forum (where free speech by all should be had), but whatever.

Yes, but not exclusively. I am also an officer of my FC and am the master of 4 linkshells, which means I do a lot of selling and recruiting. In my point of view, taking into account most people's mentality, they will just keep their tells disabled for randoms, so:

1) I use a shout macro and get 3 PMs
2) Those 3 PMs have tells disabled, they send me a /tell
3) I can't reply to them asking questions regarding the joining of my FC/Linkshells or answer any questions they ask
4) Since they've grown accostumed to their tells being disabled, they don't even remember they have it off, so we can't communicate.

And again, this is just ONE example, there's many, many more. Far outweighing the benefits of this system.

And don't reply "oh but people will take it off when they need". No. No, they won't. Maybe you would, maybe I would, but not the average player. I've seen countless times people forgetting that their Busy status disables tells, let alone a system without a bright red icon on your name.

When I'm dealing with a crafter I only use /t for a few minutes to work out location, or I go to where I see the crafter often so I can instead talk in /s because they are literally right there. There's no reason to use /t once you're right next to eachother. This option... is for when you aren't expecting to be using /t anytime soon. Yes, people will forget they have it on. That's a given, as you said about /busy, but unless these people are blithering idiots they're not going to completely forget about it. I have minion and pet targeting turned off, I know this. I set it. If I want to use minion functions I have to go into options and turn them back on, but that takes all of a few seconds. It's not some 'have to log in again' kind of setting.

I would very much enjoy if you had to be face to face in order to send friend invites. Heck, link friends list with the people that can /tell you up to about level 20 or so and I would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

I've seen countless times people forgetting that their Busy status disables tells, let alone a system without a bright red icon on your name.

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Ever thought that some people play the game without displaying their name and the names of others?

All in all I'm done arguing with you because you seem to offer no alternative solution to this being implemented which makes your counter arguments; counter productive. If you can come up with a viable alternative solution, then maybe we'll talk. But so far all I see if you complaining and insulting people by calling them names. And quite frankly; your sarcasm in the majority of your responses is unwarranted.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

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Again there is a simple fix if SE were to add this, a /tell is disabled feature. It wouldn't be all that hard for them to add something next to the chat box or on the server info letting players know they have /tell disabled.

Or SE could add another feature if you have tells disabled, to let you know when you try to send a tell you have incoming tells disabled. ex "/tell cloud hey can I join your FC? then a system message pops up and says "You currently have incoming tells disabled, and will not be able to receive any" something like that.


You're right that not everyone will turn the filter on/off when they need it, But as I said if SE added something to let you know in the system it would be fine. System Messages would do just fine.



Edit- Also wanted to say something.

Lets say we had an option to turn tells off, You said there could be issues when you are trying to recruit, sell/buy, or do party finder. When you /sh for FC recruitment you could simply do: "/sh FC LFM blah blah blah /tell ? for details" Just add "please have /tell enabled". Same goes for your FC page add have tells enabled if you apply. You can also add that to your PF details when you want to buy/sell.

Ah, another modern medicine situation.... give the people a pill to mask a problem without addressing the underlying cause, yay!

Those of you that are in support of this idea, enjoy declining friend requests every few minutes!

/sarcasm

Really though, RMT suck, but band-aid solutions never *solve* anything. It's just like when 2.0 came out and everyone wanted SE to put in an auto-logout timer for people staying idle to hold a spot on the server. I'd rather SE focus their efforts 100% on combating the actual problem, not masking it with a solution that clearly is going to inconvenience a lot of people.

I'd actually be quite fine with the ability to toggle on/off the blocking of random tells and friend request - and smart enough to toggle it ON if I actually wanted them. I don't see it as an inconvenience at all - tired of running busy and not being able to get tells from friends.

I don't see the problem with better options. /say and /shout still exist as ways to communicate for those who really need to make contact with the blocked. It's not as though this isn't an improvement from the trend of everyone going /busy.

Yeah it might be a band-aid solution, but I don't see any other solutions proposed. Just arguing against it for the sake of arguing.