Lizard Squad Just hacked PSN and Xbox LIve again

Its why its down for everyone who is wondering.

*sips coffee* ah the PC life
but in all seriousness why hasn't the lizard squad been shut down already im surprised at the lack of action regarding them and theirs

They made the mistake of screwing with GamerGate by attacking the hub at 8chan. One of the 8chan boards doxxed a bunch of them and turned them over to the FBI. We got the front-end of their botnet site shut down, but the botnet itself still exists somewhere.

Looks like the members who are left are having fun with it.

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Originally Posted by Kukajoo

*sips coffee* ah the PC life

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*Guzzles beer* ahh the superbowl

I'm waiting for certain companies to file charges against this scum under applicable international terrorism laws. Bubba's gonna do some "Haxxors 4 lulz", if you catch my drift.

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Originally Posted by Kukajoo

but in all seriousness why hasn't the lizard squad been shut down already im surprised at the lack of action regarding them and theirs

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2863927/two-alleged-members-of-lizard-squad-arrested-following-xbox-livepsn-christmas-attacks.html
Unfortunately, investigation to the who and where these issues come from is often tricky.

Don't the Lizardsquad claim attacks AFTER they happen? PSN was temporarily offline for 20 mins.....

PSN was offline?? When was this? I've had no issue!

People keep talking about these hackers like they are the ones causing issues. The real issue is if the company being attacked doesn't bother to take precautions to prevent such an attack in the first place. Either way, though, someone here did bring up a good point - this group only claims events after they are known to happen. I know of a couple of hacker groups that actually post on the boards their frigging schedule for attacks - before they happen ROFL. And the companies they go up against STILL dont put up extra security - and you know for a fact that companies see and follow those boards also.

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

People keep talking about these hackers like they are the ones causing issues. The real issue is if the company being attacked doesn't bother to take precautions to prevent such an attack in the first place. Either way, though, someone here did bring up a good point - this group only claims events after they are known to happen. I know of a couple of hacker groups that actually post on the boards their frigging schedule for attacks - before they happen ROFL. And the companies they go up against STILL dont put up extra security - and you know for a fact that companies see and follow those boards also.

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Well it's Lizard Squad, they typically DDoS. Pretty hard to prevent that without stopping it at the source.

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

People keep talking about these hackers like they are the ones causing issues. The real issue is if the company being attacked doesn't bother to take precautions to prevent such an attack in the first place. Either way, though, someone here did bring up a good point - this group only claims events after they are known to happen. I know of a couple of hacker groups that actually post on the boards their frigging schedule for attacks - before they happen ROFL. And the companies they go up against STILL dont put up extra security - and you know for a fact that companies see and follow those boards also.

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Look up what a DDoS attack actually is first. It's not like preventing people from invading your house and stealing your stuff, it's like trying to prevent people from walking through the beeping sensor at a store's entrance. Millions of times a minute.

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

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Well then, Mr. Genius, how do you propose we stop a DDoS attack in its entirety?

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Originally Posted by Mettaur

Well it's Lizard Squad, they typically DDoS. Pretty hard to prevent that without stopping it at the source.

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Pretty much this. They are blunt force overloading PSN's servers, likely from many different sources, so even if Sony knocks a few out, damage is done via the other sources.

It's not exactly someone typing into a computer and flipping some off switch. Otherwise it might only take a few minutes for it to return to normal, but it doesn't. Hardware get's damaged.

If they really want to stop them, they should 'name and shame' their closest family members (parents, siblings), and force them out of their jobs and make it hard for them to find new ones. They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

If they really want to stop them, they should 'name and shame' their closest family members (parents, siblings), and force them out of their jobs and make it hard for them to find new ones. They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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Except that in itself is a criminal offense, especially if they're minors.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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Why is this a good idea?

Why should we ruin the lives of people who have nothing to do with this issue?

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

If they really want to stop them, they should 'name and shame' their closest family members (parents, siblings), and force them out of their jobs and make it hard for them to find new ones. They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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And dangerous thinking like that is how you make things go from bad to worse.

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

People keep talking about these hackers like they are the ones causing issues. The real issue is if the company being attacked doesn't bother to take precautions to prevent such an attack in the first place. Either way, though, someone here did bring up a good point - this group only claims events after they are known to happen. I know of a couple of hacker groups that actually post on the boards their frigging schedule for attacks - before they happen ROFL. And the companies they go up against STILL dont put up extra security - and you know for a fact that companies see and follow those boards also.

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Go ahead and try to effectively stop 1000 people from walking through your front door. "Close the door" you might say, well then you're stuck outside too. It's pretty much the same thing, you can't actively PREVENT a DDoS without making legitimate users unable to access either. It's a lose/lose, victim blaming solves nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kiritto

Lizard Squad Just hacked PSN and Xbox LIve again

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I didn't say it was a morally ethical method of vengeance and deterrence, just an effective one.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

If they really want to stop them, they should 'name and shame' their closest family members (parents, siblings), and force them out of their jobs and make it hard for them to find new ones. They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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That's very much illegal and just genuinely a really shitty thing to do to people who just happen to be related to someone who chose to be a criminal.

Also, you do realize that if the FBI had access to such information everyone in Lizard Squad would already be in jail, right? Right??

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

That's very much illegal and just genuinely a really shitty thing to do to people who just happen to be related to someone who chose to be a criminal.

Also, you do realize that if the FBI had access to such information everyone in Lizard Squad would already be in jail, right? Right??

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FBI? Apparently they're no NSA cause those guys would be all over em by now.

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Originally Posted by Yutsimaki

Don't the Lizardsquad claim attacks AFTER they happen? PSN was temporarily offline for 20 mins.....

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Pretty much, the first time it happened, it was FamedG0D who LS took credit from, FamedG0D then doxxed LizardSquad to the seven hells and left a message for them afterward telling them to ride on someone else's coat tails, then the second time it happened anonymous came in and ripped them a new one, then Gamergate screwed them over.

LizardSquad are pretty much a group of wannabe hackers that like taking credit for the work of others.

I just signed into PSN just fine. Online and everything.

Relax people, there are no wolves and the sky is not falling... for now.

In related news, Anonymous is currently having a feud with Lizard Squad. Anonymous DDoS'd their website and got two of their accounts banned from Twitter.

Just a matter of time before things start getting more serious.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

FBI? Apparently they're no NSA cause those guys would be all over em by now.

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I'm increasingly of the opinion that the NSA *SHOULD* be all over them by now. So many of these DDOS attacks and other low level nuisance attacks and even intrusions (actual hacks) involve foreign nationals acting outside the USA which places dealing with them squarely in the cross hairs of both the CIA and NSA, which begs the question, why aren't we taking these people down (I mean bringing to actual justice, not 'take them out' justice) in the most public manner possible to deter others?

If the attackers are resident in the USA, it would fall under the FBI's jurisdiction, but they could still bring in expertize from other agencies so long as it's done within the framework of the FBI's rules of operation.

Still, it kind of makes you wonder. Even if these agencies merely have the capabilities that Snowden and others claim - instead of the fanciful stuff portrayed on TV, they could easily be all over this. In which case, there has to be a reason why they are not in fact all over this. So either they are in fact not all they are cracked up to be, or it serves them in some way to allow these pinheads to continue operating.

SE uses similar tactics when going after RMT, they leave bots and others alone while they trace back to the source, then they take out the entire lot at once - though each RMT and their agents much be dealt with separately from other RMT. The point being, they have to leave the small fry alone for a while so they can find the big fish lurking deeper down.

I can only hope that as we move forward and things become ever more interconnected and dependent on the 'net, governments can finally realize that this stuff matters, even if it's only a bunch of script kiddies joyriding PSN or XBL into the ground. Without some form of enforcement and security within the overall world of the Internet, we are existing in a pretty lawless place where vigilante action is tempting because there is no other effective recourse. The problem is that vigilante action is at least as illegal as the original offense, so the person retaliating may in fact be caught and punished, even if the original attackers are not.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

In related news, Anonymous is currently having a feud with Lizard Squad. Anonymous DDoS'd their website and got two of their accounts banned from Twitter.

Just a matter of time before things start getting more serious.

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LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

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Originally Posted by Kukajoo

*sips coffee* ah the PC life
but in all seriousness why hasn't the lizard squad been shut down already im surprised at the lack of action regarding them and theirs

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Maybe a century ago you could probably still jail or hang someone for bragging about things they may or may not have been part off or done. Today not much has changed on people bragging. If they post to twitter or anywhere to brag about it, you really can't do much unless you physically connect them to starting or causing the DOS, or any hacking. Out side the US you might be able to survey and get warrants for less. With du process, you either have or don't have the evidence, that's why this keeps happening. Honestly, the internet has embolden and produced more trolls, and @hole'z than at any point in history. Lets face it unless it really hurts Sony's bottom line, or exposes secret R&D, etc. they wont really care. PSN is sort of small in their company as a whole. If they really wanted to make a statement, they should try to pull this off on Nintendo. They're more likely to make heads roll for something like this.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

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What have they done that would not be constructive in their eyes? It's not like they go around randomly targeting people/organizations.

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Originally Posted by brody138

What have they done that would not be constructive in their eyes? It's not like they go around randomly targeting people/organizations.

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I was voicing my opinion, not everything that group does is constructive in my opinion, though it may be constructive as far as they are concerned.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

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Anonymous is kind of a "Robin Hood" type of organization, just more chaotic than good. They've done a lot of work that could be described as good, including the hacking of the government websites of middle-eastern despots and shedding light on acts of corruption and terrorism. Where their morality is up for debate is when it comes to things like hacking the Department of Justice in retaliation for going after NSA whistleblowers like Edward Snowden or DDoSing the Swedish Government's websites for their raid on The Pirate Bay.

Lizard Squad is definitely more of a "for t3h lulz" kind of organization that just like to piss people off because they're bored and greedy.

I think it's good that Anonymous is going after Lizard Squad and, while I don't always agree with Anonymous's methodology towards getting things done, but I do feel they are the far lesser of two evils as they do some work in support of civil rights that many organizations cannot do, at least publicly.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I was voicing my opinion, not everything that group does is constructive in my opinion, though it may be constructive as far as they are concerned.

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I personally like Anonymous. They are very reactive to situations that happen all over the globe, and usually have a pretty good reason for the actions that they take. I can definitely understand a difference in opinion. Some people like Batman, some people hate vigilante justice. =]

The main reasons that small groups of DDoSers like Lizard Squad are hard to actually bring in and put in jail are 1) because a lot of them aren't actually US citizens and 2) most of the techniques one would have to use to get evidence on them is, if not illegal, not permissible in court.

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Originally Posted by Intaki

The main reasons that small groups of DDoSers like Lizard Squad are hard to actually bring in and put in jail are 1) because a lot of them aren't actually US citizens and 2) most of the techniques one would have to use to get evidence on them is, if not illegal, not permissible in court.

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Extradition orders can be a real nightmare, especially when the order basically reads "We want this guy because he probably maybe hax0red our box0rz."
The law really hasn't caught up to new technology.

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Originally Posted by brody138

I personally like Anonymous. They are very reactive to situations that happen all over the globe, and usually have a pretty good reason for the actions that they take. I can definitely understand a difference in opinion. Some people like Batman, some people hate vigilante justice. =]

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This. I have always loved and supported Anonymous in their efforts. If they hack something, there is a serious reason behind it - a very legitimate and supportable reason.

As for the OP of this post - PSN was most likely down for maintenance. If anyone hacked them, it wasn't this "Lizard Squad". I started researching this supposed "Lizard Squad" - they never hacked anything - ever. It was always someone else and LS took the credit. From what I am understanding, the best hacking LS could do is probably guessing the password to try to disable the net-nanny that mommy and daddy put on the computer to try to keep them from looking at porn.

Most legitimate hack groups will actually post BEFORE they do something - like a challenge. In short it translates to "Guess what, you pissed us off and here's what we are going to do to you" However there are other legitimate groups that do not announce before-hand. They prefer the sneak attack, but when THOSE groups attack, they leave a signature of some sort - like a placeholder index.html with their logo or something.

A DDoS attack is not considered hacking. It's a form of digital harassment, yes, but in the eyes of any true hacker, unless you are actually physically penetrating and manipulating files in a place you shouldn;t be able to access, you aren;t hacking - you're just being annoying. DDoS is just annoying, and it doesn't prove anything. Say PSN really was attacked with DDoS . . . . so what? You annoyed a few gamers trying to log onto their games, but your real target - the company you are attacking - they don;t take the heat, really. They can post any story they want - "Sorry we had emergency maintenance to fix a bug . . . " However, actually HACK that server, bring it down on your own, and leave a message in place of their web site that embarrasses the company completely - THAT sends a message.

Go ahead and DDoS a game I play - you won't end my life - you'll just divert me to do something else I enjoy for a bit - maybe go for a drive to the mountains, do some photography, go to the nightclub . . . maybe even hang out with my sweetie (Just kidding if you are reading this, love). With DDoS you never delivered a message to me and you didn't accomplish anything but change the order of my day somewhat, and I'll probably assume it's just server maintenance.

Honestly, when it comes to foreign cyber-nuisances (because these people are not hackers), the best we can hope for is bored NSA techies to mess with them on their slow days.

Though if Lizard Squad tries anymore bomb threats, things are liable to get way, way more real for them.

Hey don't "name and shame" the lizzard squad. We should all just deal with it, because they got the right to troll for lulz while screwing everyone over.

.........What?!

No one hacked anything. DDOS is not hacking.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

If they really want to stop them, they should 'name and shame' their closest family members (parents, siblings), and force them out of their jobs and make it hard for them to find new ones. They might not think of the consequences to themselves but if you can ruin the lives of the people closest to them maybe that will make other people think twice in the future.

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Best idea thus far.