Being blamed for things I have no control over and tired of babysitting.

Every time I go into to t10, I have problems with the Prey mechanic... the major issue is that when Prey comes up, the Tanks are either dead or dying, AoE is flying everywhere, they can't face the adds to save their life, people are getting 1-shot from Wild Charge(usually the tank). When I have a choice to save the tank(s) or a DPS getting paralyzed for 20 seconds... the logical choice to to save the tank. Even after the add phase, Electric Burst kills someone in one hit; i have to make sure everyone has stoneskin and that sucks out my MP. I ask the bard for Ballad, and I have to ask SEVERAL times when I have to do something MP intensive.

What do you do when tanks won't use cooldowns, Bards that won't play ballad, the other healer doesn't use Virus/Eye for Eye for when tanks take spike damage when mine in on CD. It seems like I'm the only person to use Meds/Food, etc. I'm expected to fix everything, and if I can't do anything, it's because of Prey, not because people can't get their act together, and people want me to accommodate them, the least they can do is accommodate them back.

I don't want to make another "it's all the healer's fault" thread, but I cannot deal with people that want my help and act like bullies when I can't accommodate every whim of the party.

If the tanks are either dead or dying when prey comes up, which is approx 30s after the pull... There is already something wrong.
T10 is not healing intensive AT ALL. There is a tank swap mechanic, yes, but 90% of the time (adds phase excluded), there ar 2 healers to heal a single target : the main tank..;
My co-WHM ignores completely Prey, I, as SCH, am in charge of this mechanic. It is very very simple, as long as you are not caught off guard.

I dont know if you are in PUG for t10, or in a static, but if your partners arent trying to play their role to the maximum (or at least a decent level), dont bother doing the FCOB with them.

These are usually PUGs. My FC is fairly small so we don't raid much, and my server's not real competent when it comes to high level stuff, because of all the entitlement and ragequitting. My focus isn't really on "endgame" as much as "being able to interact with people outside my FC" because I'm one of those people that don't like cliques. I have a higher tolerance threshold for people but do not enjoy having a finger pointed at me when I've been patient with new people.

The prey that comes during phase 1 isn't the problem. It's Prey that comes when the adds show up(and the tanks turn the adds attack on the party while dying in 4 seconds is that stoneskinning it becomes a problem.

This sounds more like the entire raid group is not handling mechanics properly at all rather than problems with prey. First of all, try getting the scholar to deal with single preys (adlo cast time is faster than stoneskin), and with double preys have a system set up where one healer will go for one, the other healer the other. Best way to do this is have the party list set up the same way, and one healer will deal with the person effected by prey that is closet to the top of the list, the other healer the one closest to the bottom.

As Coldea said, t10 is not healing intensive, in my raid group phase 1 is solo healed, and we stance dance as much as possible anyway. Wild charge sounds like it is not being handled correctly if it is 1 shotting a tank. Make sure the tank does not have a vulnerability debuff on when soaking, and there has to be tank->2 others-> person marked for charge stood in a row to soak correctly. A cure 3 correctly timed will heal all those hit by charge. Also make sure sacred soil and virus are up when possible for charges.

Sounds like you are possibly the only one in tese groups that is trying to handle mechanics correctly anyway :).

As others have said, your group needs to get with the strat. Things are very wrong if you're consistently suffering deaths in the early phases, especially if tanks are dying.

In my static, the WHM solo heals p1 and handles Prey so that I can focus on adding raid DPS. During Wild Charge, I shield everyone before and right after impact, Adlo the tank for Crit Rip, then resume DPS. As the fight goes on, I help with Prey and overall healing while keeping as much DoT uptime as I can safely manage.

For add phases the WHM and I each have a designated tank to support. I typically Adlo both Prey targets, refresh Adlo on my tank, and quickly DoT/Bane/SF/Miasma II his adds while spamming Roused Embraces.

Bard plays Paeon at one point, but never Ballad.

An important note about Wild Charge: make sure your peeps are literally standing in a row and not overlapping hitboxes, or they won't soak properly and will cause death to ensue.

In any case, there are good reasons why PUGs are disliked for progression content. This stuff requires groups not only to learn the mechanics but to be able to communicate and coordinate their play. It really, really helps to practice with the same people.

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Originally Posted by Anna_Lannis

These are usually PUGs.

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That right there is your problem.

Yeah I know, statics are a huge PITA to get in the first place and often fall apart due to scheduling issues, loot drama, etc... but. This sort of content rather requires it.

We healers have a huge target painted on our backs. If there's ever confusion or doubt or just a desire to to dodge the allegorical bullet, we get the blame. It sucks, but it's the healer life. And what you're trying to do usually requires a group that knows each other and works together quite well.

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We healers have a huge target painted on our backs. If there's ever confusion or doubt or just a desire to to dodge the allegorical bullet, we get the blame. It sucks, but it's the healer life. And what you're trying to do usually requires a group that knows each other and works together quite well.

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The attitude sucks. WHY it sucks... is that we aren't part of the party. Either A) We're the party's meek polite little servants who follow them around, or B) bossy tsunderes who bark orders that hired goons that need babysitting. There aren't any middle grounds. Why can't people treat us like fellow videogamers? I swear most people think it's Legend of Zelda, and were jus tthier personal healing fairy.

Because in the PUG world, it's always someone elses fault and not your own. This especially holds true when Heavy Thrust spamming dragoons, and Fire III spamming Black Mages start telling no-buff tanks and healers what to do. *Shrug*

(There are a fair share of horrible healers though. Just thought I'd include this bit in the event of the assumption that "all healers are good healers.")

A few general tips first:

First off, remember, it's a game, if you're not having fun then simply don't do it. Is that pug killing your mood? As mentioned, try to find a static!

Secondly and this is a big one, if you think you are getting blamed for stuff that isn't your fault and it's causing issues, stream and record everything. You'll always have situations where people will have differing opinions on who is right vs wrong and someone's going to have to back down regardless of who is actually correct. Nothing straightens things out with less fuss than cold hard videotape.

Case in point, in an early T13 run before the Sin's cone mechanic was fully understood, our OT appeared to get one shotted by it. A few people promptly claimed he just wasn't topped but I was fairly certain that everyone was full (I tend to overheal a lot to be safe whilst learning new content).

http://www.hitbox.tv/video/322657

That recording clarified exactly what happened (He dropped defiance during the sin's cast hence it hit him for quite a bit more than his total HP) and ensured it never happened again with zero arguing or fuss.

And as for T10 itself:

The most important thing is that you get positioning right during the add phase, if the tanks can't place and point the sons/daughters right and the raid can't stand in a safe spot out of the way of those cones, your either going to have deaths or fall behind on DPS due to the prey mechanic. Get this right first and formost.

Once people aren't getting cleaved, the add phase becomes super simple. Basically, have the Scholar switch to healing as the adds pop up, the WHM hits swiftcast and stone skins both healers and the 4 DPS then goes back to healing, the Scholar can throw up a succor for each prey now and nothing else is needed. Completely and utterly trivialises that double prey without needing razor sharp reflexes to get that single stoneskin up in time. Be sure that both tanks are topped and preferably have E4E etc up as adds hit.

It's always the tanks fault. That's my motto. Whether I'm on my PLD/WAR or not. ^.^ Tis the price we pay to PUG unfortunately.

Ah, team jump rope. >. <

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Originally Posted by Anna_Lannis

The attitude sucks. WHY it sucks... is that we aren't part of the party. Either A) We're the party's meek polite little servants who follow them around, or B) bossy tsunderes who bark orders that hired goons that need babysitting. There aren't any middle grounds. Why can't people treat us like fellow videogamers? I swear most people think it's Legend of Zelda, and were jus tthier personal healing fairy.

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For all the trouble, there is one very nice upside to a static: Blame tends to go where it belongs, but it's not the RAAAAAAAAGE kind of blame either. It's "you need to place the whatever correctly" or "wait for the mark to disappear before moving" or so on. Basically... actual constructive advice.

I would say try to get a static. Again, I know it's a huge pain, but it sounds like it's the kind of experience you're looking for. You'll get treated as an equal (in any that are halfway decent anyway).

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Originally Posted by Synestr

It's always the tanks fault. That's my motto. Whether I'm on my PLD/WAR or not. ^.^ Tis the price we pay to PUG unfortunately.

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Kudos for jumping on the grenade like that. Sadly a lot of pug tanks jump on the blame-the-healer bandwagon (especially WARs for some reason?).

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Kudos for jumping on the grenade like that. Sadly a lot of pug tanks jump on the blame-the-healer bandwagon (especially WARs for some reason?).

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As a healer, I take blame for my own mistakes as well. Speaking on content outside of Coil (no T9 experience past Golems), I can normally heal through any massive attack. If it isn't a one-shot, and someone die, it's probably my fault for trying something different. If someone is hit with poison and their HP is under 800, and they die, it's because I didn't help them specifically (I went for Medica or Regen instead).

90% of the time, I'm on standby with my Cures and Esuna rather than trying to toss Aero lol

Just do your job and not worry about the rest. When adds pop up there's always a double prey, have the SCH use adlo on one and you cast SS on the other. Immediately, heal the tank you are supposed to heal. If after your SS your prey's target receives damage from a crackle hiss from one of the adds because either the tank positioned the adds poorly or a DPS is positioned wrong, that is not your fault and you are not freaking going to be able to do a single thing in such situation, prey's mark gonna receive a spike damage and then get paralyzed, completely not your fault, just keep going on with the mechanics and don't panic. Don't go emo when bad stuff happens, keep doing your job and know your priorities very well (this is very important when you are healing), if there's a DPS with 1k HP and the tank is at half HP but he's getting critical ripped, IGNORE the DPS, he can be raised, if the tank dies however, most times "it's gg get your face onto the deathwall let's restart this guys".

Also, your post really really is a mix of a lot of things...first you say you have problems mostly with prey (the tank's almost dead when preys appear, I really don't understand this; this might actually be your fault)....then you keep on by saying people are one shot by wild charge...the hell. Really. Sit down, take a pill, spot what is in your hands and what you can do better, and once you do that start realizing what's going on and if it's up to you or somebody else to solve it.

If you have trouble dealing with Prey during the add phase try one of the following.

During the add phase pop Presence of Mind. Then prioritise Prey in the following order.

Yourself
DPS
Other healer

I am going to assume the other healer is a SCH. The SCH Adlo is enough to stop Prey. A WHM with PoM can stoneskin both Prey as well. The SCH should also save their Lustrates. During the add phase one or both of the tanks can take a fair amount of damage, but then again they should also have cooldowns ready as well.

On a side note you should have Stoneskin and Adloquium on the MT when Critical Rip comes up. But when coupled with Prey each healer must split the responsibility and one takes prey and one takes Critical Rip.

No one should get one shot. Heat lightning should never clip extra players. Tether should be dealt with players specifically marked for it and wild charge should have anyone not dealing with Theather or hit by heat lightning.

Lastly if people are taking too much damage then there is something definitely wrong. There are very specific moments when the entire party will take damage, outside of these if people are taking damage then there is something wrong with those players.

You can see my WHM POV kill for T10. I mostly created this video to get advice from my team mates.
http://youtu.be/vvZUN5UYIf4

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Just do your job and not worry about the rest. When adds pop up there's always a double prey, have the SCH use adlo on one and you cast SS on the other.

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or... adlo both.
swiftcast can i have it?

But Swiftcast is for shadowflare....

With PoM you can start stoneskinning the whole party except tanks before adds are spawning, depends a bit if you got one or two wild charges before second adds. If you got a second charge and then immediately phase change to second adds, which is the worst case, I pop PoM start skinning and let the SCH heal both tanks for a short amount of time. When prey is out all have stoneskin and I switch back to my assigned tank.

I kind of feel like the OP is contradicting him/herself here. States that h/she is sick of being blamed for things going wrong and then shovels out blame on the other classes like it's going out of style. If you are in these t10 attempts pointing the finger this way then you are standing to reap what you sow.

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I kind of feel like the OP is contradicting him/herself here. States that h/she is sick of being blamed for things going wrong and then shovels out blame on the other classes like it's going out of style. If you are in these t10 attempts pointing the finger this way then you are standing to reap what you sow.

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Either way the OP has come to the forums asking for help and we should give him/her the benefit of the doubt and help them as much as we can.

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Originally Posted by firstsin

Either way the OP has come to the forums asking for help and we should give him/her the benefit of the doubt and help them as much as we can.

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Clearly OP got many helpful pointers but my call was on objectivity of the original post itself. How does one criticize a group of people and then use the same criticism as a shield claiming abuse?

To be fair... as said on the first page... Healers, for some reason, do get a lot of blame when things start going wrong. White mages more than scholars a lot of the time, even. The Edda questline (the beginning parts) were pretty brilliant really. Now it's possible the OP or anyone on these forums is doing something wrong themselves and maybe they really did cause party wipes.

I've had some pretty good pugs, but also some really bad ones. Even in my static yesterday, a summoner got kind of ticked at me because he ate an avoidable, but so did the main tank who was then at 10% HP. Healed the tank, we took a raidwide AoE, the summoner then starting talking about 'I could have survived if you healed me'. Outside of a static, it probably would have been much less polite (but in a better static, the raid lead would have shut him down). These aren't rare occurrences... so I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt; I can understand her frustration.

Maybe I'm wrong but I would prefer to try to be constructive.

the main difficult pray i have to deal with was those who happens at the beginning of second adds.
Because you can't stoneskin everyone before because of the aoe mechanics just before who throw away the pré cast one.

So my solution is , as soon as the boss cast the adds, i use the speel speed skill, stoneskin 3 players, use heal 2 on a tank , and stoneskin again.

Divine Seal + Regen on both tanks and Presence of Mind for Stoneskin. I never had issues with dying tanks during stoneskinning pray.

@first 2 posts: Clearly sounds like a tank problem. You'd be stupid to tolerate cones directed at the party and expect the tanks to live w/o any cooldowns.

I can relate to OPs story, just tried healing as a SCH in t10 for the first time and got lots of fingers pointed at me but not at the WHM, since anything heal related is clearly caused solely by me, especially prey mishaps.

This is a new static, so I expect things to be rough at first.So I was wondering if this would be something that would work in whm/sch team:

Crit rip: sch: adlo+eye ; whm - ss + regen

1 target prey: sch: regular speed adlo ; whm: regular speed ss.

2 target prey, 1st add wave: both precast ss when tank doesnt need much healing, then a succor should work, assuming no one gets hit by tail/hiss.

2 target prey 2nd add wave: succor before, then scholar swiftcasts ss on top target and whm swiftcasts ss on bottom target.

And what will be the best time to use virus before rip or before wild charge? Would scholar stoneskin + succor be too weak to prevent prey effects?

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Originally Posted by Azurr

I can relate to OPs story, just tried healing as a SCH in t10 for the first time and got lots of fingers pointed at me but not at the WHM, since anything heal related is clearly caused solely by me, especially prey mishaps.

This is a new static, so I expect things to be rough at first.So I was wondering if this would be something that would work in whm/sch team:

Crit rip: sch: adlo+eye ; whm - ss + regen

1 target prey: sch: regular speed adlo ; whm: regular speed ss.

2 target prey, 1st add wave: both precast ss when tank doesnt need much healing, then a succor should work, assuming no one gets hit by tail/hiss.

2 target prey 2nd add wave: succor before, then scholar swiftcasts ss on top target and whm swiftcasts ss on bottom target.

And what will be the best time to use virus before rip or before wild charge? Would scholar stoneskin + succor be too weak to prevent prey effects?

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Prey management requires no complicated strategy. Just be on the same page with your co-healer so that you're avoiding redundancy. It really doesn't matter what your preferred tactic is (e.g. SCH Adlo vs. WHM SS) as long as you don't trip over each other and let the tank get blown up by Critical Rip, for instance.

Yes, a Succor+SCH Stoneskin is sufficient mitigation to block, but there's no point in this since a single Adlo will do the job. SCHs shouldn't be using all their GCDs to throw around Stoneskins when they could be assisting with DPS instead.

An important factor is how well you and your partner predict the Prey mechanic and how quickly you can respond. If, for example, your WHM partner is habitually slow on the draw, you will need to shoulder more of the responsibility. You can easily handle both Preys during the add phase if your WHM is really pressed to respond (though that really shouldn't be the case). If, on the other hand, the WHM is on top of things, the slower casting time of Stoneskin won't be an issue (especially if they wisely throw a few out right before add phases begin).

As for Virus, you might as well use it on the first Rip since it will be up again for the first (potentially) big raid-wide AoE. Early Wild Charges should not be giving your team any problems if they are soaking correctly by standing in a line and not hugging. If DPS is low and you are pushing the soft enrage relatively early, a timely Virus could help prevent a Charge+Floor Tick death in the last phase.

Thanks for the tips, Cynfael! ^_^ I'll pass them along to the team, and hopefully we can beat it. In retrospect it probably isn't that hard of a turn to heal, but takes getting used to.

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Thanks for the tips, Cynfael! ^_^ I'll pass them along to the team, and hopefully we can beat it. In retrospect it probably isn't that hard of a turn to heal, but takes getting used to.

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Np :) It actually has a lot of "lulls" and isn't terribly healing intensive; it's just a matter of understanding the script. You will beat it in no time.

If your healing partner isn't as quick to learn the hokey-pokey as you are or is newer to the fight, you can also help by calling out Preys in voice chat as they are about to happen and then name the target you're about to Adlo when they do happen. In my static I have the WHM take care of Prey in P1 since he has little else to worry about. We split the Prey targets in each add phase, and I Adlo the Prey target in the final phase if a Critical Rip is going out so that someone is guaranteed to be making sure that the tank doesn't die.

Also, if your raid DPS is not high enough to beat the enrage timer, you might need to call for a Wild Charge target to be sacrificed when the safe zone is gone or nearly gone. If the boss has <10% to go, you're better off letting 1 person die and taking advantage of the boss' "sitting duck" time to burn it rather than risking 3-4 deaths. If everyone stacks properly for Charge, the SCH shields, and the WHM times their heal correctly, people really shouldn't die, but that's a lot of variables. If your group is good enough to pull that off consistently, chances are that they aren't going to see a full enrage, anyway. It's a useful trick during progression, though.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

If everyone stacks properly for Charge, the SCH shields, and the WHM times their heal correctly, people really shouldn't die, but that's a lot of variables.

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For what it's worth, I keep the boss on Focus Target and use the "L" in "Wild Charge" as my visual go-to for starting to cast the heal. Whether I'm in line or sitting it out due to Heat Lightning, the timing for casting the cure can be made easier to get consistent that way. [/two cents]